[_ Old Earth _] Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

[Dave Slayer]

Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

 

[Nick]

Not during one's lifetime, as it takes many hundreds of years at the least. But we may be witnessing part of it. That is, if evolution was 'real'. I don't see evolution supported by the scriptures, so I don't believe that it happens.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Not during one's lifetime, as it takes many hundreds of years at the least. But we may be witnessing part of it. I'm really not sure, actually.

Yeah, you'd think that someone would witness part of it happening. If humans are still around hundreds of years from now, you'd think some of them would see it.

 

[Nick]

[quote="Nick_29":2k29gu9h]Not during one's lifetime, as it takes many hundreds of years at the least. But we may be witnessing part of it. I'm really not sure, actually.

Yeah, you'd think that someone would witness part of it happening. If humans are still around hundreds of years from now, you'd think some of them would see it.[/quote:2k29gu9h]

Exactly! That's another reason that I don't believe in evolution.

 

[jwu]

Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

No.
If this were to happen, then that'd pretty much disprove the theory of evolution.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

No.
If this were to happen, then that'd pretty much disprove the theory of evolution.

How would that disprove the theory of evolution? If this were to occur, wouldn't evolutionists be excited?

 

[jwu]

[quote="Dave Slayer":2ydg99fi]Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

No.
If this were to happen, then that'd pretty much disprove the theory of evolution.

How would that disprove the theory of evolution? If this were to occur, wouldn't evolutionists be excited?[/quote:2ydg99fi]
Biologists/evolutionists would be excited as it'd overturn existing theories of how species form - but it wouldn't be evidence for the ToE at all, quite the contrary.

The ToE does not predict that apes should evolve into humans in the future. If this were to happen, the ToE would be in trouble - it'd shake the entire phylogenic tree.

There will be future speciation events among primates, as among countless other species - but none of these speciations will result in the same species that a previous speciation "produced".

Once a species has branched off another species, those branches won't be united ever again - but that's exactly what'd a repeated evolution of apes into humans would be.

Anyway, the question reveals a misunderstanding of the ToE. You seem to assume that evolution operates with a goal in mind, that it strives to produce humans, so to speak. That is not the case.

 

[Dave Slayer]

I just wonder if there were any humans in the history of mankind that witnessed apes evolving into man? Certainly some people would have had to of witnessed it. It would be odd for apes to turn into humans and at the same time no one seeing it happen. The last ape to turn into a human would had to have been witnessed because there would be humans living before the last ape evolved.

 

[Barbarian]

 

[jwu]

I just wonder if there were any humans in the history of mankind that witnessed apes evolving into man? Certainly some people would have had to of witnessed it. It would be odd for apes to turn into humans and at the same time no one seeing it happen. The last ape to turn into a human would had to have been witnessed because there would be humans living before the last ape evolved.

Wait...do you believe that the ToE proposes that somewhere in the past there was a group of non-human apes, and suddenly the female apes began having human babies? That would be ridiculous indeed, and the ToE does not propose anything like this.

 

[Dave Slayer]

I just wonder if there were any humans in the history of mankind that witnessed apes evolving into man? Certainly some people would have had to of witnessed it. It would be odd for apes to turn into humans and at the same time no one seeing it happen. The last ape to turn into a human would had to have been witnessed because there would be humans living before the last ape evolved.

Wait...do you believe that the ToE proposes that somewhere in the past there was a group of non-human apes, and suddenly the female apes began having human babies? That would be ridiculous indeed, and the ToE does not propose anything like this.

Evolution teaches that man evolved put of apes some millions of years ago. How exactly do they teach the seperation from humans from apes? If female apes didn't give birth to humans, how did it happen? Did apes slowly change into humans?

 

[John]

Evolution teaches that man evolved put of apes some millions of years ago. How exactly do they teach the seperation from humans from apes? If female apes didn't give birth to humans, how did it happen? Did apes slowly change into humans?

That is what they believe, Dave. They call the intermediates "Missing links" the funny thing is the whole bloody chain is missing, lol

 

[lordkalvan]

Is it possible we will witness an ape turn into a human?

Homo sapiens sapiens is an ape:

Family Hominidae

Subfamily Ponginae

Genus Pongo
Bornean Orangutan, Pongo pygmaeus
Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus
Pongo pygmaeus morio
Pongo pygmaeus wurmbii
Sumatran Orangutan, Pongo abelii

Subfamily Homininae

Tribe Gorillini

Genus Gorilla
Western Gorilla, Gorilla gorilla
Western Lowland Gorilla, Gorilla gorilla gorilla
Cross River Gorilla, Gorilla gorilla diehli
Eastern Gorilla, Gorilla beringei
Mountain Gorilla, Gorilla beringei beringei
Eastern Lowland Gorilla, Gorilla beringei graueri

Tribe Hominini

Genus Pan
Common Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes
Central Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes troglodytes
West African Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes verus
Nigerian Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes vellerosus
Eastern Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes schweinfurthii
Bonobo (Pygmy Chimpanzee), Pan paniscus

Genus Homo
Human, Homo sapiens sapiens

 

[jwu]

Evolution teaches that man evolved put of apes some millions of years ago. How exactly do they teach the seperation from humans from apes? If female apes didn't give birth to humans, how did it happen? Did apes slowly change into humans?

Every generation of a population has new mutations. These accumulate over time. If one population is split in half e.g. by a forming river or a desert in between, then these two sub-populations cannot exchange genes anymore. This results in both sub-populations accumulating different mutations respectively, and thus developing in different directions. Eventually, after a long time, so many differences have accumulated that these two sub-populations cannot interbreed anymore, and thus have become two seperate species. At no time during this process does a member of species A give birth to a member of species B. It's a gradual change and children always belong to the same species as their parents.

So in some sense yes, a population of apes slowly changed into us humans - a little, almost unnoticeable step each generation, but these little steps accumulated over time.

 

[John]

^ Assumptions. ;)

 

[Adullam]

Holywood can do this through a process called morphing!

 

[lordkalvan]

^ Assumptions. ;)

Ummm, no, rather conclusions based on observed evidence. Consider ring species, observed speciation events, evo-devo, transitional fossils, molecular genetics and nested hierarchies. The assumptions all lie elsewhere.....

 

[John]

The assumption is made when you assume we share a common ancestor with some dam dirty ape, lol

 

[jwu]

The assumption is made when you assume we share a common ancestor with some dam dirty ape, lol

That is the inevitable conclusion, not the assumption.

ERVs in our genome alone already establish common descent of humans and other apes with a certainty that is way beyond 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999%

 

[John]