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Is Jesus genetically related to Mary?

SyrianMariam

SyrianMariam

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Jesus was borne by Mary, but he was concieved by the Holy Spirit within Mary. Jesus is not genetically related to Joseph, is he genetically related to Mary?
 
SyrianMariam said:
Jesus was borne by Mary, but he was concieved by the Holy Spirit within Mary. Jesus is not genetically related to Joseph, is he genetically related to Mary?
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The vast majority of Christians say yes.
A tiny minority say no. God implanted Jesus in Mary's womb - a brand new creation.

Genesis 3:15
“I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
The ‘he’ is Jesus and he will be the seed of the woman. This clearly implies a genetic descent.

Gal 3:16
“Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many; but, referring to one, "And to your offspring," which is Christ.”
If Christ was a brand new creation he could not have descended from Abraham.

Rom 1:3
“...the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh”.
If Christ was a brand new creation he could not have descended from David according to the flesh.

And there are more such verses.
 
SyrianMariam said:
Jesus was borne by Mary, but he was concieved by the Holy Spirit within Mary. Jesus is not genetically related to Joseph, is he genetically related to Mary?
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Hi SyrianMariam

While there is no definitive proof from the Scriptures of 'how' exactly Jesus' embryo became implanted in Mary's womb, I've long understood that, due to the nature of sin, as explained in the Scriptures, he likely doesn't have any of Mary's DNA either. I rather have understood that when the angel describes that the Holy Spirit would come over her to accomplish the task of her impregnation, that he implanted a fully formed zygote created by God the Father to be implanted in her womb.

And yes, that still makes Mary just as much his mother as any other baby by virtue of his being born through her birth canal. But for any definitive answer, we must wait until the day we see him face to face.

God bless,
Ted
 
miamited said:
Hi SyrianMariam

While there is no definitive proof from the Scriptures of 'how' exactly Jesus' embryo became implanted in Mary's womb, I've long understood that, due to the nature of sin, as explained in the Scriptures, he likely doesn't have any of Mary's DNA either. I rather have understood that when the angel describes that the Holy Spirit would come over her to accomplish the task of her impregnation, that he implanted a fully formed zygote created by God the Father to be implanted in her womb.

And yes, that still makes Mary just as much his mother as any other baby by virtue of his being born through her birth canal. But for any definitive answer, we must wait until the day we see him face to face.

God bless,
Ted
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The scriptures I gave are definitive proof.

Add to those:
Lk 1:31
“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus”
By any normal interpretation conceive means to become pregnant with material from the mother.
It doesn't say an embryo will be implanted in your womb.

Gen 22;18
“and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, because you have obeyed my voice."
We are blessed through Christ. So he had to be a descendant of Abraham.

Rom 9:4-5
“They are Israelites, and to them belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ.
Again, if Christ was a brand new creation he could not have been an Israelite according to the flesh.
Gal 4:4
“But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law”
The Greek for ‘born’ here is gemenenon, Strong 1096:
“A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being),…”
The KJV translates it as made.
Again this implies that Jesus body is generated (made) from Mary.

Lk 1:32
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David”.
If Christ was a brand new creation he could not have descended from David and therefore David could not be called his father and he would have no legitimate claim to the throne of David. God’s promise to David (2Sam 7:16) would have been broken:
“And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure for ever before me; your throne shall be established for ever.”
 
Mungo said:
The vast majority of Christians say yes.
A tiny minority say no. God implanted Jesus in Mary's womb - a brand new creation.

Genesis 3:15
“I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
The ‘he’ is Jesus and he will be the seed of the woman. This clearly implies a genetic descent.

Gal 3:16
“Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many; but, referring to one, "And to your offspring," which is Christ.”
If Christ was a brand new creation he could not have descended from Abraham.

Rom 1:3
“...the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh”.
If Christ was a brand new creation he could not have descended from David according to the flesh.

And there are more such verses.
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So the Holy Spirit fertilised one of Mary's eggs?
 
miamited said:
Hi SyrianMariam

While there is no definitive proof from the Scriptures of 'how' exactly Jesus' embryo became implanted in Mary's womb, I've long understood that, due to the nature of sin, as explained in the Scriptures, he likely doesn't have any of Mary's DNA either. I rather have understood that when the angel describes that the Holy Spirit would come over her to accomplish the task of her impregnation, that he implanted a fully formed zygote created by God the Father to be implanted in her womb.

And yes, that still makes Mary just as much his mother as any other baby by virtue of his being born through her birth canal. But for any definitive answer, we must wait until the day we see him face to face.

God bless,
Ted
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This makes the most sense to me
 
Mungo said:
How the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive is not given in scripture.
It could be by parthenogenesis.
It doesn't matter.
What does matter is that Jesus was fully man and fully God.
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Why does it matter if he's descended from some Hebrew? Christianity is for all. Jesus needs no ethnicity.
 
SyrianMariam said:
Why does it matter if he's descended from some Hebrew? Christianity is for all. Jesus needs no ethnicity.
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It matters because there are OT prophecies and promises from God that the Messiah would be of the line of David. If Jesus isn't actually Jewish, if he doesn't have Mary's DNA, then those prophecies and promises are false, and it would be deceptive of God to make it appear to be the case when it actually wasn't.
 
Riven said:
That's a good question. I would assume so given that she gave birth to him.
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Mungo said:
The vast majority of Christians say yes.
A tiny minority say no. God implanted Jesus in Mary's womb - a brand new creation.
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And I vote yes , Jesus is genetically related to Mary His mother .

Jesus the Son of man .
John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
 
A better question for pondering the unknowable …

Are ADAM and JESUS Half-brothers?
(same Father, different mothers)

If GOD THE SON created ADAM (see John 1), then is Jesus his own ‘grandpa’ (through Mary)?
 
atpollard said:
A better question for pondering the unknowable …

Are ADAM and JESUS Half-brothers?
(same Father, different mothers)

If GOD THE SON created ADAM (see John 1), then is Jesus his own ‘grandpa’ (through Mary)?
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Adam had no mother or father. He was created.

Jesus, in his human nature, is related to Adam in the same way we are all related to Adam.
 
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