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Is Jesus God?

miamited said:
Hi again wondering

Yes, He can. That also allows that my understanding could be as correct as yours, as far as whether or not God could do such a thing. But apart from all of this existential ruminations that we believers are truly fond of 'working out', I'm going to stick with the Scriptures on this. Jesus is God's Son. God said so. God is Jesus' Father. Jesus said so. If anyone should know the relationship between God and Jesus, I'm going with how they see it.

I have, too.

God bless,
Ted
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As He does you.
 
The lowly human mind is just as incapable as ever in defining fully just who this Jesus who is also the Christ is.
Who He is can only be known by the heart.
He is also a King.
The human mind also has no understanding of how, when, and where He was first made a King.



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Mat 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him
 
Hi Consecrated Life
Consecrated Life said:
The lowly human mind is just as incapable as ever in defining fully just who this Jesus who is also the Christ is.
Who He is can only be known by the heart.
He is also a King.
The human mind also has no understanding of how, when, and where He was first made a King.
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He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is Jesus, our Savior who loves us so much, just as the Father does, that he gave his life, because his Father couldn't do that, so that we might have the Father's great salvation. That's who Jesus is.

A body you have prepared for me.

God bless,
Ted
 
miamited said:
Hi Consecrated Life

He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is Jesus, our Savior who loves us so much, just as the Father does, that he gave his life, because his Father couldn't do that, so that we might have the Father's great salvation. That's who Jesus is.

A body you have prepared for me.

God bless,
Ted
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The Everlasting Father could give His life for us and did .
The Son also gave His life for us.
The Mighty God did give His life for us.
The King also gave His life for us.
The Prince of Peace also gave His life for us.
He is all in all.


" Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
 
Consecrated Life said:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
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And that is what his name is called. This is a prophecy foretelling for us the names that the Son of God will be called. This very thread is a testimony to that truth.

God bless,
Ted
 
TonyChanYT said:
I try to avoid using the term "Trinity" because the word is not in the Bible.
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If you have time -give this a listen.
Johann
THE TRINITY

Notice the activity of all three Persons of the Trinity in unified contexts. The term "trinity," first coined by Tertullian, is not a biblical word, but the concept is pervasive.

In the NT
the Gospels
Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (and parallels)
John 14:26
Acts — Acts 2:32-33, 38-39
Paul
Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:1-4,8-10
1 Cor. 2:8-10; 12:4-6
2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14
Gal. 4:4-6
Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6
1 Thess. 1:2-5
2 Thess. 2:13
Titus 3:4-6
Peter — 1 Pet. 1:2
Jude — vv. 20-21

A plurality in God is hinted at in the OT.
Use of PLURALS for God
Name Elohim is PLURAL (see SPECIAL TOPIC: NAMES FOR DEITY, C.), but when used of God always has a SINGULAR VERB
"Us" in Genesis 1:26-27 (see full notes online); 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8

"One" in the Shema (BDB 1033) of Deut. 6:4 can be PLURAL (as it is in Gen. 2:24; Ezek. 37:17; SPECIAL TOPIC: SHEMA)

"The Angel of the Lord" (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE ANGEL OF THE LORD) was a visible representative of Deity

Genesis 16:7-13; 22:11-15; 31:11,13; 48:15-16
Exodus 3:2,4; 13:21; 14:19
Judges 2:1; 6:22-23; 13:3-22
Zechariah 3:1-2

God and His Spirit are separate, Gen. 1:1-2; Ps. 104:30; Isa. 63:9-11; Ezek. 37:13-14
God (YHWH) and Messiah (Adon) are separate, Ps. 45:6-7; 110:1; Zech. 2:8-11; 10:9-12
The Messiah and the Spirit are separate, Zech. 12:10
All three are mentioned in one context in Isa. 48:16; 61:1

The Deity of Jesus (see (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE DEITY OF CHRIST FROM THE OT, and the NT verses: John 1:1-2; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30; 14:9; 17:11; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1) and the personality of the Spirit (see SPECIAL TOPIC: PERSONHOOD OF THE SPIRIT) caused problems for the strict, monotheistic (see SPECIAL TOPIC: MONOTHEISM) early believers.
Tertullian — subordinated the Son to the Father
Origen — subordinated the divine essence of the Son and the Spirit
Arius — denied Deity to the Son and Spirit
Monarchianism — believed in a successive chronological manifestation of the one God as Father, then Son, and then Spirit

The Trinity is a historically developed formulation informed by the biblical material.
the full Deity of Jesus, equal to the Father, was affirmed in A.D. 325 by the Council of Nicea (cf. John 1:1; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13)
the full personality and Deity of the Spirit equal to the Father and Son was affirmed in A.D. 381 by the Council of Constantinople
the doctrine of the Trinity is fully expressed in Augustine's work De Trinitate. There is truly mystery here. But the NT affirms one eternal divine essence (monotheism) with three eternal personal manifestations (Father, Son, and Spirit).
For more information on the developed doctrinal understanding of the Trinity or Tri-Unity of God, see

Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed., chapter 16, "God's Three-in-Oneness: The Trinity," pp. 340-367.
Hard Sayings of the Bible, John 1:1; "One God or Three?", pp. 490-492

SPECIAL TOPIC: THE TRINITY

The Trinity -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).
www.freebiblecommentary.org
 
TonyChanYT said:
Right, when it is singular in function in a sentence, it always refers to the LORD God.
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No problem-first-the video clip re ancient rabbinical beliefs will throw a flood of light in our Western Christianity worldview-how we see-and read the Scriptures.
Secondly-the verses in my post wasn't even looked at-
But -no worries.
Shalom.
Johann.

1. JESUS IS YHWH GOD

Matthew 1:21-23 (Cf. 28:20; Psalm 130:7-8); Mark 1:1-8; Luke 3:1-6, 15-17; Acts 19:4; John 1:23, 26-36 (Cf. Isaiah 40:3-5); Luke 7:11-23 (Cf. Isa. 35:3-6); John 20:28 (Cf. Psalm 35:23); Romans 10:9-13 (Cf. Joel 2:32); Ephesians 4:7-10 (Cf. Psalm 68:18; Jeremiah 23:23-24); Philippians 2:9-11 (Cf. Isa. 45:23; Rom. 14:10-12; 2 Cor. 5:10); 1 Peter 1:10-12 (Cf. 2 Samuel 23:1-3; Nehemiah 9:20, 30; Isa. 48:16; 61:1; Micah 3:8; Zechariah 7:12); 1 Pet. 2:3 (Cf. Psalm 34:8).

1B. JESUS IS CALLED GOD IN AN ABSOLUTE SENSE

Isa. 9:6-7 (Cf. 10:20-21; Psalm 24:8; Jer. 32:18); Matt. 1:22-23; John 1:1; Acts 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8-9; 1 John 5:20 (Cf. 1:2); 2 Peter 1:1.

1C. JESUS IS IDENTIFIED AS THE ONE AND ONLY LORD (YHWH)

1 Cor. 8:6b; Eph. 4:5; Jude 1:4 (Cf. Deut. 6:4; Neh. 9:6; Zech. 14:9).

2. JESUS IS THE UNCHANGEABLE CREATOR AND SUSTAINER

John 1:3-4, 9-10, 14; 1 Cor. 8:6b; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2-3, 10-12; 3:3-4 (Cf. 11:3; Genesis 1:1-2:7, 19-22; Neh. 9:6; Job 9:8; 10:8-12; Psalm 36:9; 102:25-27; Isa. 42:5; 45:12, 18; 48:13; 66:1-2; Jer. 10:10-12; Matt. 19:4-6; Acts 17:24-29; Eph. 3:9; Revelation 4:11).

3. JESUS POSSESSES DIVINE TITLES AND ATTRIBUTES

A. The Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End (Rev. 1:7-8, 17-18; 2:8; 22:12-13, 16, 20 – Cf. 21:6-7; Isa. 41:4; 44:6; 48:12).

B. King of kings and Lord of lords (Cf. 1 Tim. 6:14-16; Rev. 17:14; 19:11-16 – Cf. Deut. 10:17; Psalm 136:3; Dan. 2:37).

C. The Amen and the Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14 – Cf. Isa. 65:16-17; Jer. 42:5).

D. Omnipotent, omniscience, omnipresence (Matt. 8:5-13; 18:20; 28:20; Mark 2:8-9; 7:24-30; John 1:45-49; 4:43-54; 5:16-29; 6:39-44, 53-54, 57; 10:27-33; 11:25-26; 14:1-6, 20-23; 16:25-31; 17:2, 20-23; 21:17; 2 Cor. 13:5; Col. 1:16-17, 27; 2:2-3, 9; 3:11; Heb. 1:2-3, 10-12; Rev. 1:18; 2:18-23).

E. The Lord/Owner of all Creation (heavens and earth), of the sabbath and the temple (Matt. 11:10, 27; 12:6, 8; 28:18; Mark 1:2; 2:28; Luke 6:5; 7:27; 10:22; Acts 10:36; Rom. 14:9).

F. I AM sayings (Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19; 18:5-6, 8 – Cf. Deut. 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10, 13; 45:18; 46:4; 51:12; 52:6 [47:8, 10; Zephaniah 2:15]).

G. YHWH’s Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus (Rom. 8:9-11; Gal. 4:6; Phil. 1:19; 1 Peter 1:11-12).

H. The Judge of all creation (Matt. 16:27; 25:31-46; John 5:22, 27; Acts 10:42; 17:30-31; 1 Cor. 4:3-5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 4:13-18; 5:1-11, 23; 2 Thess. 1:5-10; 2:1-4, 8; 2 Tim. 4:1; Rev. 2:23 – Cf. Gen. 18:25; Psalm 9:7-8; 62:12; 96:13; 98:9; Prov. 24:12; Isa. 40:10; 62:11; Jer. 11:20; 17:10; 29:23; Joel 3:1-2, 11-13).

I. The Day of YHWH is the Day of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 1:7-8; 5:5; Phil. 1:6-11; 2:16 – Cf. Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:7-9, 14-17).

J. The Savior and Forgiver of sins (Matt. 1:21; Mark 2:5, 10; Luke 7:48-50; 24:44-47; John 3:16-17; 4:42; Acts 3:26; 5:31; 13:38-39; 15:11; 16:30-31; 20:28; 26:18; Rom. 3:21-26; 5:8-21; 6:23; Gal. 1:4; 2:20; Eph. 1:6-7; 4:32; 5:1-2, 23; Col. 1:13-14, 19-20; 3:13; Titus 2:14; 1 Tim. 1:15-16; 2:5-6; 2 Tim. 1:7-12; 4:8, 18; Heb. 1:3; 2:9-18; 4:14-16; 7:23-28; 9:14, 22-28; 10:10, 14-18; 1 Pet. 1:18-19; 2:21-24; 3:18-22; 1 John 1:7; 2:1-2, 12; 4:9-10, 14; Rev. 1:6; 7:9-17 – Cf. Exod. 19:5-6; Psalm 25:11; 54:1; 78:38; 79:9; 130:3-4, 8; Isa. 43:10-11, 25; 45:21-22; Hos. 13:4-5; Matt. 19:25-26).

K. The Husband/Bridegroom (Mark 2:18-20; Eph. 5:25-33; Rev. 19:7-9; 21:1-2, 9-14 – Cf. Isa. 54:5; Hos. 2:16-19).

4. JESUS IS WORSHIPED AS YHWH GOD AND AS THE FATHER’S EQUAL

John 5:23; Rev. 5:8-14; Matt. 10:37-39; 16:24-26; Luke 14:26-27; 21:15-16 (Cf. Psalm 8:1-2); Acts 7:59-60 (Cf. Psalm 31:5; Ecclesiastes 12:7); Acts 9:14, 21; 1 Cor. 1:2 (Cf. Gen. 12:8; 21:33; Deut. 4:7; Psalm 99:6-7; 116:1-4, 13, 17; 145:18); Heb. 1:6 (Cf. Deut. 32:43; Psalm 97:7).

See also: Matt. 2:2, 8, 11; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17-20; Mark 5:6-7; John 9:35-38; 14:12-14; 1 Cor. 1:3; 16:22-23; 2 Cor. 12:7-10; 13:14; 1 Thess. 1:1; 3:11-13; 2 Thess. 1:1-2, 12; 2:16-17; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8, 18; 2 Pet. 3:18; 2 John 1:3; Rev. 1:4-6; 22:20-21.
 
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Johann!@# said:

If you have time -give this a listen.
Johann
THE TRINITY

Notice the activity of all three Persons of the Trinity in unified contexts. The term "trinity," first coined by Tertullian, is not a biblical word, but the concept is pervasive.

In the NT
the Gospels
Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (and parallels)
John 14:26
Acts — Acts 2:32-33, 38-39
Paul
Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:1-4,8-10
1 Cor. 2:8-10; 12:4-6
2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14
Gal. 4:4-6
Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6
1 Thess. 1:2-5
2 Thess. 2:13
Titus 3:4-6
Peter — 1 Pet. 1:2
Jude — vv. 20-21

A plurality in God is hinted at in the OT.
Use of PLURALS for God
Name Elohim is PLURAL (see SPECIAL TOPIC: NAMES FOR DEITY, C.), but when used of God always has a SINGULAR VERB
"Us" in Genesis 1:26-27 (see full notes online); 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8

"One" in the Shema (BDB 1033) of Deut. 6:4 can be PLURAL (as it is in Gen. 2:24; Ezek. 37:17; SPECIAL TOPIC: SHEMA)

"The Angel of the Lord" (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE ANGEL OF THE LORD) was a visible representative of Deity

Genesis 16:7-13; 22:11-15; 31:11,13; 48:15-16
Exodus 3:2,4; 13:21; 14:19
Judges 2:1; 6:22-23; 13:3-22
Zechariah 3:1-2

God and His Spirit are separate, Gen. 1:1-2; Ps. 104:30; Isa. 63:9-11; Ezek. 37:13-14
God (YHWH) and Messiah (Adon) are separate, Ps. 45:6-7; 110:1; Zech. 2:8-11; 10:9-12
The Messiah and the Spirit are separate, Zech. 12:10
All three are mentioned in one context in Isa. 48:16; 61:1

The Deity of Jesus (see (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE DEITY OF CHRIST FROM THE OT, and the NT verses: John 1:1-2; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30; 14:9; 17:11; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1) and the personality of the Spirit (see SPECIAL TOPIC: PERSONHOOD OF THE SPIRIT) caused problems for the strict, monotheistic (see SPECIAL TOPIC: MONOTHEISM) early believers.
Tertullian — subordinated the Son to the Father
Origen — subordinated the divine essence of the Son and the Spirit
Arius — denied Deity to the Son and Spirit
Monarchianism — believed in a successive chronological manifestation of the one God as Father, then Son, and then Spirit

The Trinity is a historically developed formulation informed by the biblical material.
the full Deity of Jesus, equal to the Father, was affirmed in A.D. 325 by the Council of Nicea (cf. John 1:1; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13)
the full personality and Deity of the Spirit equal to the Father and Son was affirmed in A.D. 381 by the Council of Constantinople
the doctrine of the Trinity is fully expressed in Augustine's work De Trinitate. There is truly mystery here. But the NT affirms one eternal divine essence (monotheism) with three eternal personal manifestations (Father, Son, and Spirit).
For more information on the developed doctrinal understanding of the Trinity or Tri-Unity of God, see

Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed., chapter 16, "God's Three-in-Oneness: The Trinity," pp. 340-367.
Hard Sayings of the Bible, John 1:1; "One God or Three?", pp. 490-492

SPECIAL TOPIC: THE TRINITY

The Trinity -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).
www.freebiblecommentary.org
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Wow.
Great post.
:nod
 
Johann!@# said:
I take it you agree with the post and the Scripture references?
Just wondering wondering
Shalom brother
Johann.
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Johann
I didn't watch the video.
I read thru your post and agree.
The Trinity actually must be believed in order for one to be known as a Christian.

I am a little confused about your statement that the Lord is Yaweh.

The 3 Persons are distinct.
You could expound, or, eventually I'll get to know what you mean.
 
Johann!@# said:
And I have said read the Scripture references that support my claim-I can't do it for you.
Johann.
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A. I am not asking you to read the Scripture for me.
B. I am asking you to support your own claim with your own words and explain your own reasoning. This I cannot do for you.

Can you tell the difference between A and B?
 
TonyChanYT said:
A. I am not asking you to read the Scripture for me.
B. I am asking you to support your own claim with your own words and reasoning.

Can you tell the difference between A and B?
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I can tell the difference-and the third time now-I have given you the Scripture references that supports the Scriptural claim-an aside-I don't appreciate that "tone" and the demand-so I would suggest you calm down or don't tag me.

Good?
Johann.
 
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