Is Jesus God?

[Kathi]

1. Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of being equal to Him.Jesus did not claim to be merely a messanger or

Kathi, who are you responding to? Rollo's post wasn't all clear. What is wrong? I have clearly maintained that God the Father and God the Son are not the same.


And, God DID have to come to earth. The Son came.

God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three persons but the three are God.


1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4;1 Corinthians 8:4;Galatians 3:20;1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1,26;3:22;11:7;Isaiah 6:8,48:16,61:1;Matthew 3:16-17,28:19;2 Corinthians 13:14). InGenesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. InGenesis 1:26,3:22,11:7andIsaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

InIsaiah 48:16and61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. CompareIsaiah 61:1toLuke 4:14-19to see that it is the Son speaking.Matthew 3:16-17describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son.Matthew 28:19and2 Corinthians 13:14are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24;Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7,12;Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7;Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27;Romans 1:7;1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1,14;Romans 9:5;Colossians 2:9;Hebrews 1:8;1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4;1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son seeLuke 22:42,John 5:36,John 20:21, and1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit seeJohn 14:16,14:26,15:26,16:7, and especiallyJohn 16:13-14.

6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6;Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17;14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6;John 1:3;Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1,16:12-15;Matthew 11:27;Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19;Matthew 1:21;John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2;Job 26:13;Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15;Ephesians 3:5;2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6;Titus 3:5;1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1;Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html#ixzz3LGgn37Mj

 

[FreeGrace]

Listen, all of you.
If you want to believe that Jesus and God are not one, then that's your business.
John 10:30;
"I and the Father are one".
Go ahead, explain it away, show me how wrong I understand the verse, I expect that from all of you.

They are certainly One in essence.

Are you meaning they are the same Person? If that is so, please explain away The Son having a conversation with the Father. Sounds rather schizophrenic.

Was the Son praying to Himself when He frequently prayed? Of course not. And when he was baptized and when he was transfigured, who was saying "this is My Son, in whom I'm well pleased"? Himself?

And who was He talking to when on the cross He said "My God, My God, why have YOU forsaken Me?" Was He forsaking Himself?

Gots some splainin to do.

 

[Kathi]

Oh ROLLO!! come and talk to us.Were you trying to actually say that God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one person?

 

[Willie T]

And yet, there are people who will swear it was God punishing Jesus (actually, Himself) on the cross..... NOT, instead, rescuing Him from punishment.

 

[jeff77]

I would like to ask a couple of questions since we have a lot of different views on the trinity.

When I pray, I pray to Jesus. Sometimes I will say "dear God", but thinking as far back as I can I am pretty sure I have most always prayed to Jesus. Is it wrong that I don't pray to God the Father in addition to Jesus?

 

[Kathi]

I would like to ask a couple of questions since we have a lot of different views on the trinity.

When I pray, I pray to Jesus. Sometimes I will say "dear God", but thinking as far back as I can I am pretty sure I have most always prayed to Jesus. Is it wrong that I don't pray to God the Father in addition to Jesus?

The Bible says that we are to pray to Jesus because He is the way to the Father.There is nothing wrong with praying to God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.I have done that before.

 

[jasonc]

The Bible says that we are to pray to Jesus because He is the way to the Father.There is nothing wrong with praying to God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.I have done that before.

where by we cry abba father. we must end the prayer in the son's name but not address the son all the time.

 

[Kathi]

Well...it looks like Rollo vanished....poor Rollo.

 

[FreeGrace]

I would like to ask a couple of questions since we have a lot of different views on the trinity.

When I pray, I pray to Jesus. Sometimes I will say "dear God", but thinking as far back as I can I am pretty sure I have most always prayed to Jesus. Is it wrong that I don't pray to God the Father in addition to Jesus?

When Jesus' disciples asked Jesus how to pray, He taught them to pray to the Father who is in heaven.

Our prayers are to the Father, in the Name of the Son, in the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[JLB]

I would like to ask a couple of questions since we have a lot of different views on the trinity.

When I pray, I pray to Jesus. Sometimes I will say "dear God", but thinking as far back as I can I am pretty sure I have most always prayed to Jesus. Is it wrong that I don't pray to God the Father in addition to Jesus?

The Name of Jesus incorporates all the persons of the Godhead.

All the fullness dwelt in Him bodily.


Both the Father and the Son have the same name - YHWH = Jesus


11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:11


Most of the time, I pray to the Father in Jesus Name.



JLB

 

[Jesse Stone]

(Removed, ToS 2.1 Declaring false the basic tenets of Christianity and teaching that to others. Obadiah)

 

[Sinthesis]

The Name of Jesus incorporates all the persons of the Godhead.

All the fullness dwelt in Him bodily.


Both the Father and the Son have the same name - YHWH = Jesus


11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:11


Most of the time, I pray to the Father in Jesus Name.



JLB

The NLT and NIV really butcher their translations of John 17:11 which is readily apparent when contrasted with the KJV, NKJV, and YLT.