Is Jesus the biological Son of GOD?

[Muhsen]

Is Jesus the biological Son of GOD?

Trinitarian Christians claim that since Jesus was called "Son of GOD", then this would make him the Creator of the Universe Himself. This is a great blasphemy, because this belief holds no concrete ground what so ever!. You do not call someone GOD Almighty Himself from a conclusion, especially when it easily can be refuted.

Many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible. Let us look at few of them:

1- Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was GOD's Son before Jesus since Israel is the "first born". Does this make Israel divine?

2- Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is another name for Israel.

3- Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Since GOD Almighty chose David to be His begotten Son, does this make David divine too?

4- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " Again, "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

Note: The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL!

The "Son of GOD" title that was given to Jesus wasn't the only title for him. Jesus was also called "Son of David." Keep in mind that Jesus came at least 1,000 years after King David. Jesus was also called "Son of Man". See Matthew 1:1, Matthew 9:27, Matthew 12:23, Matthew 15:22, Matthew 20:30-31, Matthew 22:42, and many other verses.

Is the Man whom Jesus was called his son (possibly David) divine? Is David divine since Jesus is his Son?

How come Christian Roman Catholics have created the Theological Science of Maryology, and never created the Theological Science of Davidology? I mean think about it, if Jesus the "Almighty GOD" was called "Son of David", then shouldn't this make David a divine person, since he is one from the many billions that GOD created in this world?

Jesus was called:

Son of GOD
Son of David
Son of Man

Why consider Jesus as the actual biological Son of GOD, when the same expression was used for King David being Jesus' Father who existed 1,000 years before Jesus?

Why can't "Son of GOD" that was used for Jesus be just an expression just like the "Godly" titles and "Son of GOD" expressions that were used for others before Jesus as well as shown above?

 

[YESHUA]

Is Jesus the biological Son of GOD?

Jesus was born agreed? Then who are HIS FATHER if not GOD, Joseph was not HIS father was he?
If Jesus didn't have a father even till this day you’re called a basted and was Jesus a basted? Or did He have a father you can't have it both ways and accordingly to biology you can't create life out of the blue "can you unless you believe in the big bang the anything is possible"
And here is what JESUS said about it in John chapter 17

John 17

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
So you se JESUS call GOD HIS FATHER, adn don't you think that HE should know who HIS FATHER was? Being the SON OF GOD
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana

 

[Blazin Bones]

Not to mention the fact that Christ called YHWH, Abba. This term is father, and it implies a very intimate sense. No Jew before Christ would have dared to call God by such a title.

 

[Sara929]

Do not both of our scriptures indicate that He was birthed by a virgin who became pregnant by the Holy Spirit?

Excluding the New Testament and only useing that which we must share in common. Going back to both of our jewish roots, and the earliest writings, isn't it interesting that God never speaks of himself in the singular, but the masculine "plural" in hebrew.

El-him, Ad-nai.... not just "El", "Adon".

It's always a plural, and if "El" or "Adon" are used, a different masculine plural word is used in conjunction.

We could go on with more anaylsis of our scriptures compared in common and find more evidence for Jesus being the Messiah/God. However you either see it or you don't. I'm sure you're well aware of them, please becareful hun, I have alot of respect for you but worry about some of the logical jumps made on your site in that Jesus was not God thread.

 

[Qasim786]

"Do not both of our scriptures indicate that He was birthed by a virgin who became pregnant by the Holy Spirit? "

The concept of Jesus birth in Christianity is he was born to a virgin, and because of this his father is God almighty. But the Quran states that God does not beget, nor is he begotten. Plus i thought that the title of Jesus being the son of God was a spirtual title?

In Islam, for God to create something he merely wills it or says 'be' and it is, because he can do anything. But in the bible it seems that the holy Spirit had to impregnate Mary inorder for Jesus to be born.

"Not to mention the fact that Christ called YHWH, Abba. This term is father, and it implies a very intimate sense. No Jew before Christ would have dared to call God by such a title. "

Not true, God has many sons in the bible. Plus Jesus made it clear that his father was also thier father (the Jews), he did not make it exclusive to himself. For example in places like Matthew 5:45 and Matthew 5:48, and Matthew 6:1 and many other places. So his father was thier father also.

Elohim is plural of respect for God, not in numbers. Like when the Queen addresses herself as 'we'.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Not to mention the fact that Christ called YHWH, Abba. This term is father, and it implies a very intimate sense. No Jew before Christ would have dared to call God by such a title. "

Not true, God has many sons in the bible. Plus Jesus made it clear that his father was also thier father (the Jews), he did not make it exclusive to himself. For example in places like Matthew 5:45 and Matthew 5:48, and Matthew 6:1 and many other places. So his father was thier father also.

Yes, in fact we can all be called the son's of God, but that does not change the fact that No Jew before Christ or after would dare to call God "Abba". It was seen as disrespectful to do such. Christ was raised Jewish, so the only way He would dare call YHWH Abba would be if it were true.

 

[YESHUA]

"Do not both of our scriptures indicate that He was birthed by a virgin who became pregnant by the Holy Spirit? "

The concept of Jesus birth in Christianity is he was born to a virgin, and because of this his father is God almighty. But the Quran states that God does not beget, nor is he begotten. Plus i thought that the title of Jesus being the son of God was a spirtual title?

Oh boy here we go again you just don't get it do you GOD has not begotten anybody, muslim say that in order for Jesus to be the Son of GOD, HE had to have had sex with Mary and thats even when they know that GOd can do anything so why would He had to have sex with Mary in order to have a SON?

In Islam, for God to create something he merely wills it or says 'be' and it is, because he can do anything. But in the bible it seems that the holy Spirit had to impregnate Mary inorder for Jesus to be born.

Yes GOD can do anything that HE want of course thats why HE is GOD and your not, but besides that how did HE created Adam, and yes in order for Jesus to be born as a human being THE HOLY SPIRIT had to impregnate her.
Because HE was the only one that could save us from sin and bring us back to GOD the FATHER, it had to be somebody perfect in deed and somebody to keep the law which was given all to mankind even the non-Jews as well read about Nineveh.

"Not to mention the fact that Christ called YHWH, Abba. This term is father, and it implies a very intimate sense. No Jew before Christ would have dared to call God by such a title. "

Not true, God has many sons in the bible. Plus Jesus made it clear that his father was also thier father (the Jews), he did not make it exclusive to himself. For example in places like Matthew 5:45 and Matthew 5:48, and Matthew 6:1 and many other places. So his father was thier father also.

Elohim is plural of respect for God, not in numbers. Like when the Queen addresses herself as 'we'.[/quote

no when the Queen say we she does it on behalf of her family not on her own account and in denmark we have a Queen and when she speaks about herself and her husband it is always "the prince and I" and when she speaks about herself and her family she say we" and no Elohim is not out of respect for GOD. Nice try
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana

 

[Muhsen]

Qasim: well said Brother.

Sara: Because, many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible.

Why can't "Son of GOD" that was used for Jesus be just an expression just like the "Godly" titles and "Son of GOD" expressions that were used for others before Jesus?

We have the evidences support that Jesus was not Son of God or God

72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. (Qur’an 5:72)

73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. (Qur’an 5:73)

48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Qu’ran 3:48)

49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. (qur’an 3:49)

75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). (Qur’an 5:75)

110. (Remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with RûhulQudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, AlHikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' " (Qur’an 5:110)

 

[Gary]

Mushen, those are not "evidences"... those are the sayings of Muhammad who lived 700 years AFTER the death of Jesus.

He had no way of telling what Jesus really said. He relied on fables and myth. Hence those fables and myth are now in his Quran.


:-?

 

[Muhsen]

Quran is the words of God

We in Islam like to deal in logic and reason. We believe that it is more logical for God to create Jesus as He with Adam because with Him, nothing is impossible.
It does not make sense for God to take on a human form and walk on earth, getting circumcised,

(Luke 2:21) And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

And suckled from his mother's breasts!

(Luke 11:27) And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

where was Jesus before Jesus was begotten? And who took care of the universe when "God" supposedly walked on earth?

 

[Gary]

Muhsen: Where was Jesus before Jesus was begotten?

Muhammad make several serious mistaken in his Quran. This is one of them.

It is reasonable for Muslims who have not read the Bible to have certain pre-conceived ideas and expectations about how the Bible describes Jesus using the words begotten and son.

There is only one well-known verse in the Bible that discusses begotten and son in the context of Jesus.

For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten Son
that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish
but have everlasting life.

John 3:16, King James Version (KJV), 1611.

The King James Version (KJV) was so influential that it became the standard translation for the next 300 years. And it is still in widespread use.

So where did this word begotten come from? The word that is being translated as only begotten by the KJV is monogenes. The KJV translators liked to translate word-for-word when it was possible. So when they came to monogenes they translated mono as only and genes as begotten.

Currently the best-selling English translation of the Bible is the New International Version (NIV). Here is how the NIV renders John 3:16:

For God so loved the world
that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him
shall not perish
but have eternal life.

John 3:16, New International Version (NIV), 1973.

Dr. James R. White notes,

The key element to remember in deriving the meaning of monogenes is this: it is a compound term, combining monos, meaning only, with a second term. Often it is assumed that the second term is gennasthai/gennao, to give birth, to beget. But note that this family of terms has two nu’s, νν, rather than a single nu, ν, found in monogenes. This indicates that the second term is not gennasthai but gignesthai/ginmai, and the noun form, genos.

Genos means "kind or type", ginomai is a verb of being. Hence the translations "one of a kind," "one and only," "of sole descent." Some scholars see the -genes element as having a minor impact upon the meaning of the term, and hence see monogenes as a strengthened form of monos, thereby translating it "alone," "unique," "incomparable."

Read more:
(1) http://www.answering-islam.org/Who/jesus_monogenes.html
(2) http://www.answering-islam.org/Dictionary/begotten.html

 

[Qasim786]

Oh boy here we go again you just don't get it do you GOD has not begotten anybody, muslim say that in order for Jesus to be the Son of GOD, HE had to have had sex with Mary and thats even when they know that GOd can do anything so why would He had to have sex with Mary in order to have a SON? " Said Chana

Qasim:Come again. Muslims dont say anything to that affect. The Bible teaches that the holy ghost came upon Mary, and the the power of the highest overshadowed her. The truth of the term "son of God" is that it is nothing special or new and it has been associated with many in the bible. Even Jesus said that as many that are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God. We Muslims already know that God has not begotten anybody, we dont need you to tell us that. What we object to is the fact just because Jesus (peace be upon him) had no earthly father, it makes God his father which is false. Metaphorically God is the father of everyone. He is our creater and sustainer.

What is the nature of God In Islam. I am told to:

"Say: He is God the one and only,
God, the eternal, absolute,
He begets not, nor is he begotten
and thier is none like unto him."
Surah "Ihlas"


" and yes in order for Jesus to be born as a human being THE HOLY SPIRIT had to impregnate her."

I rest my case. In Islam, God does not need to do this. He is the all powerful all knowing. If he wills something, that thing will come into being.

"and no Elohim is not out of respect for GOD"

Are you trying to prove the trinity by saying that Elohim is the plural form or God? Ask the Jew, and he'll tell you that in his language thier are two types of plural, plural of respect and plural of respect. If Elohim is in the plural of numbers, then why is the word not translated as 'Gods', in the Old testament and not 'God'.

"Yes, in fact we can all be called the son's of God, but that does not change the fact that No Jew before Christ or after would dare to call God "Abba".

So does that prove that God is only the father of Jesus?

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Notice he says your father, the father of everyone.

"48:Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect"

The fact that no Jew would never dare call God his 'father' doesnt prove anything, all it shows is that they took the title literally and thats why they rejected it. But as we can see, Jesus uses the term 'father' in the second person, he is 'your father' and 'my father'. But the Jews were looking for trouble and so constantly tried to find fault with him. Like in John 10:33 where the Jews were alleging that Jesus was making himself equal to God. But Jesus replies that God called people 'gods' who recieved Gods message. All he was saying was that he was the son of God. And son of God, as the Bible shows was not an exlusive title. All that are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God, i.e a godly person can be called the son of God.

 

[Gary]

Jesus as the UNIQUE Son of God

What, then, is the evidence for this tremendous claim? Is it because Jesus, though a man born of a woman, was yet born of a virgin? Some Christians, it is true, might conclude that because Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, therefore He is the Son of God. Likewise, some Muslims, while denying that Jesus is the Son of God, might consider the virgin birth of Jesus to be the basis for Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Biblically speaking, however, Jesus' Sonship does not rest upon His being born of the virgin Mary. On the contrary, as we shall later see more clearly, His virgin birth rests upon His Sonship. Before Mary ever was, the Son of God is. Jesus does not become the Son of God, but the Son of God becomes Jesus. Thus Jesus, as the Son, speaks to the Father about "the glory I had with You before the world began" (John 17:5; cf. Colossians 1:13-20), long before Mary ever was. This eternal Son of God entered into the limitations of time and space by the power of God working through the virgin Mary and was born as a man, called Jesus, in Bethlehem some nineteen centuries ago.

Similarly, Jesus is not the Son of God because of His mighty works and wonderful words. On the contrary, He does His mighty works and speaks His wonderful words because He is the Son of God.

True, both the manner of Jesus' birth and the nature of His works lend evidence for His Sonship. But neither, alone or together, provides the origin or basis for His Sonship. The distinction is important.

Indeed, His works witness to His Sonship. A "son" must be obedient to his "father", doing his will and works, being like him (cf. John 8:37-47). Jesus Himself pointed to His works as evidence of the fact that He is the Son of God: "If I am not acting as my Father would, do not believe me. But if I am, accept the evidence of my deeds, even if you do not believe me, so that you may recognise and know that the Father is in me, and I in the Father" (John 10:37f.). Jesus did the works of God, His Father, acting as God would.

In addition to the evidence of His works, Jesus had other proof that He is the Son of God. At important times in His life, He was called the Son of God by the Father Himself and by others:

• 1. The Annunciation: The angel Gabriel told the virgin Mary that her son would be called "the Son of God". (Luke 1:32-35)
  
  2. The Baptism: God's voice from heaven proclaimed: This is my Son, whom I love." (Matthew 3:17, etc.)
  
  3. The Transfiguration: God's voice once again proclaimed: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him." (Mark 9:7, etc.)
  
  4. The Crucifixion: The Roman centurion and his men confessed at the time of Jesus' crucifixion: "Surely he was the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:54)
  
  5. The Resurrection: St. Paul writes that Jesus' resurrection from the dead declared Him to be "the Son of God". (Romans 1:4)

Others in addition to God Himself, His angel, and the Roman soldier proclaimed that Jesus is the Son of God. Madmen and even unclean spirits confessed to Jesus: "You are the Son of God." (Mark 3:11; cf. Mark 5:7; Matthew 8:29; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:28). Jesus' disciples also confessed that He is "the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16; cf. Matthew 14:33). Jesus, as a true Son, preferred to give glory to His Father, but He too would not deny His Sonship (Matthew 26:63f.; Mark 14:62; John 10:36). Of interest in the first two of these passages (and others) is the close association between the terms "Messiah" and "Son of God".

It is also interesting to note how closely Jesus' Sonship is associated with His suffering (Romans 5:10; Romans 8:32; Galatians 2:20; Hebrews 5:8; Hebrews 6:6) . When Jesus was famished after a long fast, the tempter said to Him: "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread" (Matthew 4:3, etc.). When Jesus was in agony on the cross, the passersby mocked Him and said: "Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:40). These speakers forgot that Jesus is the Son of God. God, who seeks and serves and even suffers to save those whom He loves, the people of the world. He is not the son of some earthly king, who must show his might and save his pride by appearing to be victorious in the eyes of the world, according to the world's standards. It was just because He is the Son of the God of love that He would not use His power for selfish purposes but perfectly fulfilled the will of His Father, who chose to reveal Himself and His love to all men through His suffering Servant/Son.

Even a casual reading of the verses cited above would show that the use of the term "Son of God" with reference to Jesus is different in both quality and extent from the other uses mentioned previously. Others were graciously chosen by God as His adopted sons; the Son is in the Father eternally. Others obeyed the Father, though imperfectly; Jesus the Son obeyed Him perfectly, without sin (Hebrews 4:15) . Sons should be like their father, but only Jesus was perfect like Him in His goodness, giving Himself completely for Him and His people. The Father has entrusted all judgement to the Son alone, "that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father" (John 5:22-23). Only the Son gives life as the Father gives life (John 5:21). For was the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself" (John 5:26). The Son is obedient to the Father, with the will of the Father becoming concretized in the way of the Son; but the Father also listens and gives heed to the Son (John 11:41-44). Thus there is a sharing of power, authority, knowledge, glory, and kingship which indicates a relationship of equality and mutuality between the Two who are One. About what people, what angel, what king, what pious man could it be said: "In these last days God has spoken to us by the Son whom He has appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word"? (Hebrews 1:2f.)

Read more here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/son.html

 

[YESHUA]

Qasim: well said Brother.

Sara: Because, many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible.

Why can't "Son of GOD" that was used for Jesus be just an expression just like the "Godly" titles and "Son of GOD" expressions that were used for others before Jesus?

We have the evidences support that Jesus was not Son of God or God

72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. (Qur’an 5:72)

73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. (Qur’an 5:73)

48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Qu’ran 3:48)

49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. (qur’an 3:49)

75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). (Qur’an 5:75)

110. (Remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with RûhulQudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, AlHikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' " (Qur’an 5:110)

YOU JUST GET IT DO YOU?
John 17

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

WHO MANY TIMES DOES JESUS CALL GOD HIS FATHER IN THIS CHAPTER?

THIS SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY WERE CALLED SONS AND ALSO DAUGHTERS OF THE HOLY ONE OF YISRAEL
IT IS THROUGH GODS SON YESHUA WERE ADOPTED IN THE FAMILY AND THEREFORE WERE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

CAN YOU APREHEND THIS CONCEPT THOUGH JESUS CHRIST WE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM ARE ADOPTED BY GOD TO BE THE CHILDREN OF HIM THE MOST HIGH
SHALOM AND LOVE IN THE NAME OF YESHUA, COMING SOON BETTER REPENT AND GET SAVED BEFORE ITS TO LATE
chana

 

[Heidi]

Mushen, those are not "evidences"... those are the sayings of Muhammad who lived 700 years AFTER the death of Jesus.

He had no way of telling what Jesus really said. He relied on fables and myth. Hence those fables and myth are now in his Quran.


:-?

Actually, Gary, Mohammed relied on his imagination instead. I am reading a book by a secular author about the history of the Middle Ages. He has no allegiance to Christ or alla and he said that Mohammed himself questioned whether or not his visions came from God or the devil. A pretty shaky foundation on which to put one's faith, I'd say. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." But if the Muslims want to put their faith on a guess, then by all means they should do so. I'd rather put my faith in someone who's never been proven guilty of one lie.

 

[Muhsen]

Any religion established by shirk (make partner for God) it’s wrong and it cannot stand
He is one God no partner no son no wife…
This is the true religion(Islam)

 

[YESHUA]

Any religion established by shirk (make partner for God) it’s wrong and it cannot stand
He is one God no partner no son no wife…
This is the true religion(Islam)

This is not the true religion it is anti-christ speaking, and yes one day we shall all se HIM face to fact and then Islam has some explaing to do.
If I remember correctly Jerusalem is divided in east and west the east is solly arabic correct, and here is the fate of east Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

You do know what a Canaanite is?
And the plague is already in existent it is called Ebola sure you have heard of it its primarily in Africa it is so severe that people die within 14 week and there’s not cure and the pic on TV showed people wearing suites like the ones they have on in a spaceship because of the contamination is so severe and people are being burnt not buried.
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon better repent and get saved.
chana

 

[Muhsen]

Yes one day we shall all face the fact,

25:27 The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! Would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!

 

[Gary]

Yes one day we shall all face the fact,

25:27 The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! Would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!

Jesus or Muhammad?

-- 1 -- Muhammad was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).
-- 2 -- Muhammad's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).
-- 3 -- Muhammad promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).
-- 4 -- Muhammad was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).
-- 5 -- Muhammad and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).
-- 6 -- Muhammad's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).
-- 7 -- Muhammad practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).
-- 8 -- Muhammad was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).
-- 9 -- Muhammad conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).
-- 10 -- Muhammad said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).
-- 11 -- Muhammad was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).
-- 12 -- Muhammad preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).
-- 13 -- Muhammad declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).
-- 14 -- Muhammad constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).
-- 15 -- Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Muhammad and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).
-- 16 -- Modern day disciples of Muhammad respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).
-- 17 -- Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).
-- 18 -- Muhammad said the Qur’an is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire His Word in more than one language.
-- 19 -- Muhammad hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16)
-- 20 -- Muhammad allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and moral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20)
-- 21 -- Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise; The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God-- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2)
-- 22 -- The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation; The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8)
-- 23 -- Muhammad said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammad said a women goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25)
-- 24 -- Muhammad called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)
-- 25 -- Muhammad ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).
-- 26 -- The Qur’an says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qur’an 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).
-- 27 -- The Qur’an says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qur’an 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).
-- 28 -- The Qur’an says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qur’an 8.12); Jesus says to Love your enemies and pray for them (Matthew 5: 43-47)
-- 29 -- The Muhammad’s Qur’an is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).
-- 30 -- Muhammad's mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).
-- 31 -- Muhammad considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Muhammad to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).
-- 32 -- Muhammad claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).
-- 33 -- Islam is geocentric: that is; the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23)
-- 34 -- Muhammad's tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!
-- 35 -- Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it; The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16)
-- 36 -- Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.
-- 37 -- Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO! He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear;The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. (1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19. We love him, because he first loved us.)
This concept is 100% alien to Islam-- There is no love in Islam-- Only fear and hate.
Author Unknown http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/ ... hammed.htm

 

[YESHUA]

Yes one day we shall all face the fact,

25:27 The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! Would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!

oh ELI, you just don't get it do you?
It is talking about Jesus not Muhammad and one day we will all say" Oh would that I had taken a path with the Messiah, not Muhammad one day all those who believes in other than CHRIST will not only bite their hands but their tongue as well.
And one day we/you will se HIM FACE TO FACE don't you get it you will se JESUS FACE TO FACE, and then you can explain to HIM in person why you have not believed in HIM in spite all the evidence we have been precenting you with.
You are more afraid of your false prophet than the SON OF GOD which is the ALMIGHTY.
And Gary I think this is in vain no matter how much evidence you precent to Muhsen he and others will not or are afraid to even think that we could be telling the truth, because that would mean that the Qur'an is not what they believed it to be a book from GOD.
And just think about it the muslims claim that both the old and the new testament are corrupt, and yet where is the valid prove it? And if Muhammad was sent by GOD because of this then why does Muhammad tell his follower to ask the people of the book if it was corrupt then he is deceiving his followers right and besides that if GOD knew that both the old and the new testament were corrupt it certainly took him an awful time to wake up nearly 5000 years to realize this, this is not our GODS stile GOD is patience, merciful and HE wants all to repent that they might get saved but 5000 year that's entirely something else I should think.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, coming soon better repent or you get left behind
chana