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Is Modern Christianity Unknowingly, Mystery Babylon?

Is Modern Christianity Unknowingly, Mystery Babylon?


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+JMJ+

Revelation 17 has several phrases, taken together - it's not just the 7 hills of Rome, but the fortune spent on gold, silver, precious stones, costly woods, incense & the bodies & souls of men - that lost fortune is what the merchants of Earth mourn as they see the 'Fall of Babylon' in Revelation 18

Craftily setting up Vatican City, centuries after the prophecy was written, was & is a mere smokescreen, as was dropping 'Roman' from the RCC

"Come out from among them, so you will not share their punishment"

Must go

1.) Interestingly enough the Church is not all that wealthy. The budget for the Vatican is close to the same as that of the Archdiocese of Chicago.

2.) As for the gold and such that the Vatican does have, who do you suppose that's for? It's not for the Pope. It's for Christ!

I know that most don't agree (on this site) with the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, however, if you were given a cup of Christ's blood would you stick it in a glass? God forbid! Only the finest we have to offer (that's really the bottom line) is what we should offer Christ.
 
Fulton Sheen's Warrior said:
1.) Interestingly enough the Church is not all that wealthy. The budget for the Vatican is close to the same as that of the Archdiocese of Chicago.

You do know that the the headquarters of Opus Dei is financed with a grant of 10 million dollars in DRUG COMPANY stocks, don't you?

Evidence of the 'pharmakia' spirit within the Church.
 
Fulton Sheen's Warrior said:
+JMJ+

First of all - it has been used by the first popes after Peter. Second of all - "Vicari Filis Dei" is synonymous to "Vicar of Christ", so issue is still very valid.

Would you mind naming a few Popes?

[quote:77bf5]"The English word Antichrist is taken from the Greek αντίχριστος antíkhristos, which literally means "instead of Christ"" - this is how it translates to Antichrist.

Interesting. If I follow you correctly, you do believe that the Pope is the Antichrist?

[quote:77bf5]Another point: B16 is being persecuted for hiding child molesters in the US, when he was not yet a Pope.

If it isn't too much trouble, could you show me some documentation? Thanks.

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I meant documentation for the accusation for Pope Benedict XVI hiding child molesters...not the Anitchrist. :)

There's no inspiration of the Holy Spirit whatsoever. Even Ratzinger claimed that you win elections through best political campaign and not through some inspiration...

Where did you hear that? It is impossible to camapaign for the Papacy. Ballots are cast in total secrecy. Even if you could campaign, it wouldn't be very smart on the Cardinal's part. Theirs an old saying in reference to the conlcave, "The man who walks in wanting to be Pope leaves a Cardinal"

I've never heard Cardinal Ratzinger say anything like that.

He was the "best man for the job" because he was capable to providing safety for child molesters?

I still can't find any documentation.

Didn't know that was God's plan, now I know why I left RCC...

I'm sorry you left Peter because of Judas.





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"In May 2001, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and later elected Pope Benedict XVI on the death of his predecessor, sent a letter [4] to all Catholic Bishops declaring that the Church's investigations into claims of child sex abuse claims were subject to the pontifical secret and were not to be reported to law enforcement, on pain of excommunication. The secrecy related only to the internal investigation, and the letter did not attempt to discourage victims from reporting abuse to the police." -Wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_scandal

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/nath062606.shtml

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050606/scheer0524

http://www.remnantofgod.org/ratzinger.htm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/184327/493

http://www.answers.com/topic/roman-catholic-sex-abuse-cases

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist15.html

I hope that is enough of a documentation.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/rcc-against-rat.htm

Maybe I'm not a Catholic nor a Christian anymore, but on this case I completely agree with Ratzinger. Maybe he is not agreed with RCC dogmas, but that's certainly a good thing - shows he can think and reason Bible himself, without some interpretations written 500 years ago to keep control over dull masses.
 
+JMJ+

Maybe I'm not a Catholic nor a Christian anymore, but on this case I completely agree with Ratzinger. Maybe he is not agreed with RCC dogmas, but that's certainly a good thing -

Actually, he's totally in line with Church teaching.
 
I think you should first read this site, before you make such claims...
 
NO Georges, the new age liberals that try toi infect the church with worldly doctrines from hell are the whore of babylon.

anyone that goes against the truth of REAL CHRISTIANITY is part of the whore of babylon such as fools that reject the clear teaching of the trinity or mux hinduism in with the Bible or follow the religion of Oprah where LOVE is GOD & not that God has one aspect that is LOVE but he also has others such as Judgment & Justice. in other words you see the real whore of BABYLON everytime you look at yourself because your believes are right out of hell & the world. you have tried to mix Jesus with the world & that is the real NEW AGE WHORE OF BABYLON who comes as a angel of light but whos mouth & brain is controlled by Satan himself.
 
+JMJ+

I think you should first read this site, before you make such claims...

I did. :)

It should be mentioned that he had some sort of conversion in his lifetime and therefore many of his older quotes are often abused.

Are their specific parts of this article you would like to discuss?

(It should be noted that this website is in no way in line with the Church and are members of the sedevacantist heresy)
 
I voted yes. We have humongous Christian community. Thats why it is called Babilon the great.
 
I was kinda going for the Mystery Religion aspect that was introduced into Christianity....the whore is the claim of being true to God and worshipping other gods also the anonia of God's Law....
 
Georges said:
I was kinda going for the Mystery Religion aspect that was introduced into Christianity....the whore is the claim of being true to God and worshipping other gods also the anonia of God's Law....

I do find it interesting to note that Christianty's bid to have God's revelation, comes via the belief that Jesus taught against his father's word (the Law) declared in the Old Testament - through the revelation of Paul.

Where did this idea come from however when nothing was revealed of the prophets preceding Jesus; and neither did Jesus feed mankind with any doubt that God's words remain true.

Jesus' very rebuttle to Satan's temptation in the desert was "it is written", proceeding the denial of Satan's authority. How could Jesus then claim his own righteousness in God if he did not uphold everything that was written...including the Law?

If "it is written" is the holy weapon Jesus used against Satan (the sword of God), then where is it written prior to the resurrection of Christ that everything after the resurrection of Christ would not have to line up with the word of God?

That is not to say the people who seek God who are Christians, have any desire to defy the Father in heaven. Being duped is what the enemy does however, to those who love and seek the Lord. And how many times have I beed duped? :wink: I've stopped counting. That is why I am starting to realise that I need to investigate what I am being taught, where did it come from and does it line up with the word of God preceding Jesus. For if Jesus and God are indeed one, abiding in each other as we are to abide in them - then there will be no contraditions within everything written of divine authority.

I cannot say with any firm conviction who exactly is the mysterious whore of Babylon; nor do I wish to. But I think it serves as a reminder to everyone who follows the Lord, that the whore is indeed pledged to Christ (bearing his name) who does not remain faithful to everything Jesus is.
 
Klee shay said:
Georges said:
I was kinda going for the Mystery Religion aspect that was introduced into Christianity....the whore is the claim of being true to God and worshipping other gods also the anonia of God's Law....

I do find it interesting to note that Christianty's bid to have God's revelation, comes via the belief that Jesus taught against his father's word (the Law) declared in the Old Testament - through the revelation of Paul.

Interesting that James and Jude do not offer anything "new" but only reitererate what was previously presented. One of the tests for a false prophet is that they could not supercede anything that had been proclaimed before them...ie...the prophets could not replace anything that the Torah presented. Jesus, James, Peter, Jude, nor John did not preach against Torah, only Paul's teachings supercede the Torah....doesn't pass the test...

Where did this idea come from however when nothing was revealed of the prophets preceding Jesus; and neither did Jesus feed mankind with any doubt that God's words remain true.

Jesus' very rebuttle to Satan's temptation in the desert was "it is written", proceeding the denial of Satan's authority. How could Jesus then claim his own righteousness in God if he did not uphold everything that was written...including the Law?

If "it is written" is the holy weapon Jesus used against Satan (the sword of God), then where is it written prior to the resurrection of Christ that everything after the resurrection of Christ would not have to line up with the word of God?

Great point.....and one I missed but will remember.

That is not to say the people who seek God who are Christians, have any desire to defy the Father in heaven. Being duped is what the enemy does however, to those who love and seek the Lord. And how many times have I beed duped? :wink: I've stopped counting.

Rightly said....I'm at the top of the list...


That is why I am starting to realise that I need to investigate what I am being taught, where did it come from and does it line up with the word of God preceding Jesus. For if Jesus and God are indeed one, abiding in each other as we are to abide in them - then there will be no contraditions within everything written of divine authority.

Absolutely correct....

I cannot say with any firm conviction who exactly is the mysterious whore of Babylon; nor do I wish to. But I think it serves as a reminder to everyone who follows the Lord, that the whore is indeed pledged to Christ (bearing his name) who does not remain faithful to everything Jesus is.

Points to ponder....that's all I am suggesting...

What can I say.....me in red....come on Klee....I need to debate...for me to agree is a foreign concept...ha ha.
 
Wow, Klee Shay. I am glad you posted that because if I tried I probably wouldn't have come even close to being that precise of communicating the idea.

Only thing I can add is, more often we tend to see the OT wearing NT goggles. But I believe we need to see NT in the OT goggles.

Reading your post Ecclesiastes 1:9 comes to my mind
What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done;
there is nothing new under the sun.

NT says even the Messiah preached the gospel. If we can't find what Paul brings to the table in what the Messiah already preached in His gospel, whose gospel do we believe is "another new" gospel?
 
Georges said:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

It's a given that the early RCC in the past (whether through innocent, or diabolical means) incorporated paganisms into it's doctrine and worship. Accomplished by a blending of Judaism, Gnosticism, Mystery Religion with Hellenist Stoic philosophy.

Having said that....

Is Catholicism (and it's Protestant stepchildren) the Mystery to which John refers to? After all Pauline Christianity (the basic building block of mainstream Christianity) is different than the Christianity (Messianic Judaism) that the Torah abiding Apostles of the Chruch at Jerusalem practiced. I do believe that being antiTorah is akin to whoredom....In other words, if you are not true to the Torah (God's Word), and practice religion as opposed to it, isn't that being a whore?

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Yes, the modern Christian world follows the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church........such as ......
Sunday worship services......

The Rapture theory......

Man having an 'immortal soul'....ect....ect.
 
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