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Is physical pain experienced in hell?

urk said:
Who said the devil is receiving pleasure in hell. You must be mistaken. The devil hates God and is filled with hate, not pleasure.
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I took this from your statement below:
urk said:
Notice it says disputing about the body of Moses. The devil wanted his soul.
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I think the Devil does indeed tempt us in this life. However, I think His trick is up, once in Hell. He will have nothing but pain and torment. That’s why I thought your use of the Devil contending for Moses’ body should NOT be used as a proof text for what he’ll be like, His “wants” in Hell will not be for Moses. Only pain.
 
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Is physical pain experienced in hell?
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If i understand my bible correctly we are rewarded according to our works. Satan is the author of pain and suffering for which he will receive "his" reward. Hell was created for the devil and his angels because the lot of them planned on creating a universe where pain and suffering ruled the day. Most of the arguments I've heard concerning hell are based in the knowledge that God wouldn't inflict such a place of torment on the man he created. So my answer is yes.. in hell everyone there will experience pain that can only be imagined in your worst nightmares. Is that about the way i understand your question?

tob
 
chessman said:
You mentioned mormons the same place that i mentioned God taking sin at judgment being fiction. Nowhere! Get it? Two can play your game.
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What game? lol. Your game is making up words I never said? You ok buddy?
 
urk said:
Your game is making up words I never said?
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I never said I "think God taking sin seriously at Judgment day is fiction" either. Yet, addressed to me, you ask:
urk said:
Why do you think God taking sin seriously at judgment day is fiction?
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And of course you do this misrepresentation of someone else's posts/opinions all the time. Too often to be accidental. I don't understand why it's allowed in the A&T section. Should be in humor or the irk section. It's quite funny that you'd debate a position with someone that they do not even hold. Misrepresenting someone’s opinion makes for a good "gameâ€, which you can always win.

Not even an atheist believes "God" does not take sin seriously at judgment day. It's an oxymoron. Judgment = fiction, makes no sense. And to the atheist, God doesn't even exist to take “sin†seriously or not.

I’m taking:
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-14 ESV)
Very seriously.

It’s your position that thinks this prophecy is fictional ( I assume since I see no other way around it) and somehow turn John’s words “the second death†into eternal torment without death. How do you remove “second death†from this passage?

My position is (very seriously) that a death sentence is an “eternal punishment†therefore I view this passage entirely consistent with Jude 1and Daniel 12 and every other Scripture.
 
turnorburn said:
If i understand my bible correctly we are rewarded according to our works. Satan is the author of pain and suffering for which he will receive "his" reward. Hell was created for the devil and his angels because the lot of them planned on creating a universe where pain and suffering ruled the day. Most of the arguments I've heard concerning hell are based in the knowledge that God wouldn't inflict such a place of torment on the man he created. So my answer is yes.. in hell everyone there will experience pain that can only be imagined in your worst nightmares. Is that about the way i understand your question? tob
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One of the best and most straight forward answers I've heard so far. Also your post at the beginning of the thread was good too.
 
God doesn't judge you for your sin at the great white throne judgment and then sends you into a deep sleep forever, lol.
 
jeff77 said:
turnorburn said:
If i understand my bible correctly we are rewarded according to our works. Satan is the author of pain and suffering for which he will receive "his" reward. Hell was created for the devil and his angels because the lot of them planned on creating a universe where pain and suffering ruled the day. Most of the arguments I've heard concerning hell are based in the knowledge that God wouldn't inflict such a place of torment on the man he created. So my answer is yes.. in hell everyone there will experience pain that can only be imagined in your worst nightmares. Is that about the way i understand your question? tob
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One of the best and most straight forward answers I've heard so far. Also your post at the beginning of the thread was good too.
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Interesting. I prefer the posts that have scripture content to them in the A&t section.
 
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

II Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God doesn't want anyone to go to this place he created for Satan and his hordes of demons, but you can believe Satan wants to see us there. Our world has been blaming God for all of its pain and suffering because they've believed the devils version of things instead.

Can anyone honestly blame him for sending people there after all he's done to keep us out of that place, when the world continues to spit on his beloved Son..

tob
 
chessman said:
Interesting. I prefer the posts that have scripture content to them in the A&t section.
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I agree with you that's why I said I also like the post that he posted at the beginning of the thread which has lots of scripture. I will find the#. Sorry I should have been more clear about that.
 
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The exegesis from the Scriptures from that post were way out of proper context.

Obviously the burning bush (Ex 3), that did not burn up, was never meant to tell us what Hell is like. It was God's message so why would He be talking from Hell's fire? Doesn't make any sense, right off the bat. Plus, ToB references it to "prove" Hell is eternal yet misses the obvious fact that the bush is no longer burning today even though he capitalized "not consumed". It's not still burning!

Is 13:8 is not talking about Hell, post judgment. It's talking about Babylon's destruction B. C. Even if it were a foreshadowing of Hell, those people are dead and the city destroyed.

Psalm 116 is contrasting joy with pain , life with death. It never defines eternal torment in Hell. If anything it says Sheol is death. But the verse ToB references is talking about David fearing death, that's prior to the judgment. So it tells us nothing about the eternal torment of humans in Hell (your OP question).



Psalm 116 I love the Lord, because he has heard
my voice and my pleas for mercy.
2 Because he inclined his ear to me,
therefore I will call on him as long as I live.
3 The snares of death encompassed me;
the pangs of Sheol laid hold on me;
I suffered distress and anguish.
4 Then I called on the name of the Lord:
“O Lord, I pray, deliver my soul!â€
5 Gracious is the Lord, and righteous;


turnorburn said:
HELL'S FIRST MOMENT.... THROUGHOUT ETERNITY

Exodus 3:2 The angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked and behold, the bush burned with fire and the bush was NOT CONSUMED.

Isaiah 13:8 They shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth; they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

Psalms 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and pains of hell gat hold upon me, I found trouble and sorrow.

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chessman said:
The exegesis from the Scriptures from that post were way out of proper context.

Obviously the burning bush (Ex 3), that did not burn up, was never meant to tell us what Hell is like. It was God's message so why would He be talking from Hell's fire? Doesn't make any sense, right off the bat. Plus, ToB references it to "prove" Hell is eternal yet misses the obvious fact that the bush is no longer burning today even though he capitalized "not consumed". It's not still burning!

Is 13:8 is not talking about Hell, post judgment. It's talking about Babylon's destruction B. C. Even if it were a foreshadowing of Hell, those people are dead and the city destroyed.

Psalm 116 is contrasting joy with pain , life with death. It never defines eternal torment in Hell. If anything it says Sheol is death. But the verse ToB references is talking about David fearing death, that's prior to the judgment. So it tells us nothing about the eternal torment of humans in Hell (your OP question).



Psalm 116 I love the Lord, because he has heard
my voice and my pleas for mercy.
2 Because he inclined his ear to me,
therefore I will call on him as long as I live.
3 The snares of death encompassed me;
the pangs of Sheol laid hold on me;
I suffered distress and anguish.
4 Then I called on the name of the Lord:
“O Lord, I pray, deliver my soul!”
5 Gracious is the Lord, and righteous;
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I find it odd that it is those who support the eternal torment view who like to have their ears tickled and proof text like crazy. Though of course only have a couple texts that they really argue with, Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46. You should know you're not consistent with Scripture when you only have 2 texts to fall back on.. and at a closer look they don't even support it, because of presuppositions and faulty hermeneutics such as not looking at the literary genre.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
I find it odd that it is those who support the eternal torment view who like to have their ears tickled and proof text like crazy. Though of course only have a couple texts that they really argue with, Revelation 20:10 and Matthew 25:46. You should know you're not consistent with Scripture when you only have 2 texts to fall back on.. and at a closer look they don't even support it, because of presuppositions and faulty hermeneutics such as not looking at the literary genre.
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Daniel 12:1-2 At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God. Psalm 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! Isaiah 5:14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged its appetite and opened its mouth beyond measure, and the nobility of Jerusalem and her multitude will go down, her revelers and he who exults in her. Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nations quake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to Sheol with those who go down to the pit. And all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the world below. Matthew 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. Luke 10:15 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades. James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. 2nd Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

and finally..Luke 12:5 But I will warn you whom to FEAR: FEAR him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, FEAR him! :clap
 
urk said:
Well the word fire and torture is written in scripture. What does scripture mean by fire and torture. Even without fire, being separated from God is torture enough. Blessings.
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You have just interpreted Revelation 21:1-4 unknowingly.
 
God is joy and satan is hatred. Heaven is joy and hell is hatred. Blessings.
 
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