logical bob said:
What's the point of the Bundy quote?
Well, the point was to illustrate how Bundy viewed values or morality. Those are his words and they take moral relativism to it's exact end.
Bundy clearly did not believe in objective absolutes. he says so. But, what's more is that he was firmly committed to relative morality. Again, he says so.
logical bob said:
What keeps us from killing people for fun?
When you say "us" whom are you referring? I can't speak for us, only me. So, here is my answer. What keeps me from killing other people
for FUN is ...#1 it does not seem fun to me. I think I could do it if I where really angry at someone I guess, but then that brings me to what should be #1 in my answer, so, #2 God says it's wrong. It's morally wrong.
I placed that at #2 for a reason that you might not understand, but here it is; First let me preference it with a question: How am I different from Ted Bundy by
nature? Answer....no different. That also applies to you and anyone else again....
by our very nature.
However, I am different by what I believe in regard to values and morality. I get mine from God and Ted got his from himself.
logical bob said:
Do you think that acting like Bundy would be fun? Do you want to kill people but deny that urge because you believe in objective moral values?
Where do you get these questions from Bob?
My God man! I never said, or indicated such a thing. However, do I deny "urges" because of my belief in Objective morality? YES, but that does not make me perfect, sinless, or always right in my actions. So, there are times when I sin. There are times when I miss the mark of God morality. I don't rape and kill women, or have that urge, but that is not the point. Let me make something clear about Christianity and our beliefs when it comes to morality. You can't live the Christian life! There are no Good Christians. That does not change Gods law of morality. It exist on it's own whether you or I believe it does or not. Otherwise it would not be absolute. It stand alone....the question is...DO we choose it or not? If we don't there has to be an alternative and that alternative is only of our own. Ted chose his own. In his case that included raping and killing women for fun. He clearly explains himself.
logical bob said:
Whatever keeps us from crossing that line, it isn't objective moral values.
Again with the "us". I explained me. I'll have to guess at those who believe like you, and I'm sorry to say, that will have to include Ted Bundy. Not saying you are a serial killer. I don't know, but you indicate your not. However, you and Bundy believe the same thing when it comes to the
source of your values and morality. You do and there is not argument there. We have what you've said and we have what Ted said and they match up to the point where Ted says he likes to rape and kill. Other than that, you both state pretty much the same thing. You believe that morals are personal judgment calls and so does Ted.
So, what keeps you from crossing that line? Well I don't know. Maybe you just don't fancy killing? Maybe your afraid to go against the populous? Let's face it, your still governed mostly by law that comes from Judeo-Christian values,which come from God. My guess is that, unlike Ted, your too afraid to go up against that in any real way, but you may also value some of it. I don't know. In any case you either borrow from the truth and make the rest up or your just not really committed to what you believe and so you don't cross that line.
One thing your not going to be able to do in this argument and stand right by what you say you believe is answer back that killing is wrong. If you do, you've jut blown your argument away with an absolute statement. In which case Objective Morality WINS!
So, unless you have a magical answer, I do believe this is ........check mate.