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[Gendou Ikari]

You're using Republicans and conservatives interchangeably. I'll stick with "conservatives". I've never known a conservative who didn't support tax cuts ALONG WITH decreased government spending. If both are achieved, there can be tax cuts without impacting the national deficit. Your point is lost in presenting 1/2 of the equation. I agree that what people want isn't necessarily good for them. This is why I support a call to put the clamps on network TV programming in promoting the gay agenda in so much of their programming, for example. We will not settle whether conservatism is right of wrong here, so I won't try to. I believe it is right, and the support for conservative programming supports the notion that the majority of Americans agree with me.

What conservative programming is this that is being supported? American films and television are driven by violence and sex!

I'm sure you'd love for this to be true. It's odd that few if any liberal candidates are pointing to their victorious ram-rod of socialize health care into law. If so much of America supported it, they should all be grandstanding right now. Instead they're distancing themselves from it like leprosy. It's tragic but amusing.
Socialized medicine? - nope RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan
Same sex marriages? - nope. Even broken down by those who consider themselves R, D & I, the majority of Americans do not support same-sex marriages. Civil Rights
Pro-choice? - nope It's been trending more over the years toward more Pro-Live and now, support for Pro-Live is great than Pro-Choice. More Americans

Any liberal policies you'd care to demonstrate public support for?

Why doesn't anybody on this forum actually read what I write. I said that polls which take health care reform as a unified monolith show that most people are against it!

And the progressive policies which have public support are Medicare and Medicaid. All Glenn Beck's old and idiotic supports would leave him in a heart beat if they knew he wanted to destroy Medicare.

And liberals don't??? Conservatives want to take away your rights, eliminate Medicare, kill your sons in needless war, etc. They are all about using scare tactics to position conservatives as heartless drones who will not support the needy.

It is not that conservatives do not care about the needy, but they do not believe we are obliged, by laws, to help the needy. And, I am not a liberal, so I am not exactly fond of the Democratic party.

Keep believe that! As long as liberals are in denial and don't take a serious look at their platform, support for them will continue to erode even further.

American liberals are typically not left-wing. They are centre-right.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

uh no, you dont fool me that easily, i have a jewish background, most of what my kin say is what you preach.

he is for what, working if you can for your money, ohh that just wrong, being poor and working your way out of it.

helping the poor who cant work, yup that marxian allright.lol

Social justice is not Marxian.

oh wait he believes in not looking at skin color, yup thats evil too

and i was on govt assistance. i got off it when i got the first chance. i am able and WILLING to work.

why work hard when you dont have to. i only needed money for my wifes meds, if I just made 18.00 less a ,month them i wouldnt have to rent , buy food etc.

so it paid me not to work two jobs. but i have pride as some that cant work needs that over me.

yup i must be greedy.

You do realise that actual left-wing countries, like Denmark, have a system where they encourage re-entry into the workforce and penalise people who do not work if they are able to. Your words show that you are ignorant of the social liberal/social democrat divide.

 

[jasoncran]

uh, no, you praised france which the most liberal of all countries yet they have problems keeping their promises.

do you recall that frances college kids are the highest in unemployement, why? once hired cant get rid of them once hired.

and why is that the business there want to hire legal aliens over natural born? its cheaper less bennies being able to fire those that dont work

we have had welfare in the u.s. since the 60s, surely by now reform would be done, and the poor lifted.

which is better to you here, the current system.

if the govt of the u.s or any doenst spent its budget they loose the money. that is what drives welfare.

less recipients , less money and so on. that would be that program would be done. the govt did at one time have a two yr program for the tanf, that is now gone.

i work for the govt, and i know it in an out. efficiency isnt the case often.if fact its the not my money syndrome. that is ruining it all

i believe in helping out but its like i said, why work when you dont have too.

that is the case here and has been for the most the time. we have tried reform and its never done.

wean those that can work of it, and let them work.

but its exactly what reagean says if a program is started by the feds it wont die.
so why would you cut back on your cases if you know by next yr you will be out a job?

govt thinking is like this, spend is cause next yr we wont have it if we dont
its like this in dod, the states the local municapality.

i am not agaisnt proper helping of the poor but the us govt has been able to manage it.

it doenst take a genuis to see that.

its better to teach them how to fish then to give them a fish. and i dont recall my stint with govt asst doing that.

theres no penalty here for being lazy.

though i wish there was.and there are women who do i get pregnant just to get checks, i lived near one of those who openly stated the did that.
or i have coworker who has collected welfare illegaly and works the system and doenst feel guilty over it.

i am not saying all are like this but how much are.

many wouldnt like my solution.

work camps,live in a compound
grow your own food
repair the implements
sell your products to the outside world
free housing for the productive
teach your own by learning how to.
money managing skills
any other skills you need to have you learn and use them their in that compound
in a set time frame you must leave and find your way on your own.some money or help would be given, but you must make it on your own.

drugs and illegal activities removal from the camp and sent to rehab jail after or if you refuse rehab.

the current system has generational reciepents. i have seen this. i was poor as a kid not from lack of money but from missuse of money by my parents.

i know of no drug tests for welfare in my state nor any rehab like above. and i was on assistance in 2006. and applied for section 8 while stealing money in 1993.

i only needed proof that i wasnt making money(which i wasnt). as i did work less then 20 hrs week legit. i conned men to clear what i mean by stealling

i move back here and in one month after my repentance and salvation had a job. no need for welfare assistance, mom and dad took me in. and i had to pay rent once i got on my feet.

 

[Mike]

Be kind, mate. :waving

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In honour of my 666th post, I could post a picture from the Omen, but I hate that film series, so I will post Christina from Point Pleasant.. I miss that show:

Nice pic, GI. Much better than the one you had which was inappropriate for this board. I love Charlie Brown!

 

[jasoncran]

thanks mike i should have done the honors as that was rather tempting.

i would rather have family who cares for me take care of me then the govt.
no entityt would take care of my kids better then me cause i care for them and they know me that is a biblical command.

its the old way of doing things

medicare is failing and wont be around for us. GI , its done unless its fixed and i was going to switch over to the tricare(humana) as i'm military and they run on same rules. but the docs here wont take it as they get paid less or it takes too long for them to get their money.

 

[Mike]

Why doesn't anybody on this forum actually read what I write. I said that polls which take health care reform as a unified monolith show that most people are against it!

Actually, you said

For example, when pollsters asked Americans about each individual pillar of the Democrat's health insurance reform plan, they supported them in majority, but when pollsters presented it as a whole, people rejected it.

I know. Same thing, right? I'm just using this opportunity to put in one post, two separate times that you basically made this statement: It doesn't matter what kind of legislation liberals force through legislation and how adamantly their constituents are against it. If we show them one card at a time, and they like those cards individually, we're going to force them to love the whole hand.

Fantastic!!!! :toofunny

Seriously, GI, if you're 1/2 as brilliant as you assume you are, you are going to go far in this world! If you're every bit as brilliant, the fact that I'm engaging you with dialogue makes me feel pretty good about myself.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Nice pic, GI. Much better than the one you had which was inappropriate for this board. I love Charlie Brown!

Oh, come on! I was just joking. Plus, It's a tv series that supports the message of God's love. The whole idea of the show is that we create the Antichrist by hatred and evil, and that only love (i.e. God) can save us.

 

[Mike]

Oh, come on! I was just joking. Plus, It's a tv series that supports the message of God's love. The whole idea of the show is that we create the Antichrist by hatred and evil, and that only love (i.e. God) can save us.

Charlie Brown's a funnier joke, don't you think? ;)

BTW, I meant to note that I've been good enough to include some sources for my statements. Care to join in? I'm interested in this support for the individual pillars of the health care reform legislation you speak of.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Charlie Brown's a funnier joke, don't you think? ;)

BTW, I meant to note that I've been good enough to include some sources for my statements. Care to join in? I'm interested in this support for the individual pillars of the health care reform legislation you speak of.

I am going to hunt that down when I get some free-time, but if you don't mind, I want to test the waters with you first, to see how you respond. You said before that our politicians should respect the will of the people/electorate, or implied as much. So, on the issue of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT), an overwhelming majority of Americans are for repealing the policy (source: Gallup). Polls also show that the majority of conservatives support repealing DADT (source: Gallup). Therefore, do you agree that our politicians should follow the will of the American electorate and repeal DADT?

 

[Mike]

I am going to hunt that down when I get some free-time, but if you don't mind, I want to test the waters with you first, to see how you respond.

I'll take some time to hunt down my thoughts on this while you're hunting down the sources for your statements. Who knows? Maybe you'll find yours first since you have a head start. ;)

 

[Lewis]

Rush sometimes puts his foot in his mouth, but he is right about a lot of things too. I am a Republican, and when it comes to politics, I tend to be conservative at times, depending on what it is. Now sometimes I which Rush would shut up and sometimes I don't. But I don't think that Rush is a Jessie Helms type dude.

 

[jasoncran]

I am going to hunt that down when I get some free-time, but if you don't mind, I want to test the waters with you first, to see how you respond. You said before that our politicians should respect the will of the people/electorate, or implied as much. So, on the issue of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT), an overwhelming majority of Americans are for repealing the policy (source: Gallup). Polls also show that the majority of conservatives support repealing DADT (source: Gallup). Therefore, do you agree that our politicians should follow the will of the American electorate and repeal DADT?

The current members of the services past(retirees only) and present said no. we were asked our opinion.

gallup is a liberal pollster , asking them about consertuve issues is like asking the devil about christian issues.