Is the Bible God's word?

[JamesWesley]

Hello all! First thread here besides my post in the New Members Forum.

Anyways, I felt this was the appropriate place to post this.


My question is...

"Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?"

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!





(Please, don't think I'm trolling on a Christian site. I was banned from a Christian chat room for asking questions like this. I'm not trolling.)

 

[mutzrein]

Hello all! First thread here besides my post in the New Members Forum.

Anyways, I felt this was the appropriate place to post this.


My question is...

"Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?"

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!



"Please, don't think I'm trolling on a Christian site. I was banned from a Christian chat room for asking questions like this. I'm not trolling."

Do you believe that there is A Word of God?

 

[Physicist]

The question you ask is a matter of faith. It is not a historical or scientific question that can be answered by simply examining the evidence. For example, I could show you where certain books in the Bible derived from earlier works of other religions. However, true believers could say that was how YHWH wanted it done.

 

[JudaicChristian]

My question is... "Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?" As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

There are numerous prophecies that have been fulfilled, along with those who have given testimony of such events. The translations are not always perfect, and that is why a person must study those places in scripture that are questionable. Gods Spirit is presently not is this world at this time, but in the near future His Spirit will once again be present. That will be during the time of the Two Witnesses. Also some evidents can be found in history and archaeology.

 

[francisdesales]

"Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?"

The evidence relies on the witness of the Church. It is based upon our faith in their reliable witness to what we call inspired writings from God.

Vague prophesies, history or archeology do not prove the Bible is the Word of God, not in the slightest. The "Evidence" rests upon our faith that the Apostles were not liars or total morons and that we believe the claims made by the Church.

Regards

 

[JudaicChristian]

Vague prophesies, history or archeology do not prove the Bible is the Word of God, not in the slightest. The "Evidence" rests upon our faith that the Apostles were not liars or total morons and that we believe the claims made by the Church.
Regards

You have exalted your CHURCH and have diminished God's and Yahshua's prophecies.

 

[francisdesales]

You have exalted your CHURCH and have diminished God's and Yahshua's prophecies.

The fulfillment of prophesies depend upon the interpreter. That is why the Jews do not accept that these prophesies speak about Christ - because they are vague.

I am not exalting the Church, just speaking the truth. My knowledge that the Bible is the Word of God is based upon faith, not scientific or literary proof. You can complain all you want about the Church, but without it, you wouldn't have a Bible...That is historically verifiable.

If you can prove otherwise, be my guest...

 

[DarcyLu]

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

hi James,
with your above statement i am wondering why you believe the Bible does not give evidence of its own authenticity? the written Word proves itself. we have the Word who is Jesus and we have the written Word which is the same, when we are in the written Word, we are in Jesus.
when we read the written Word, the Holy Spirit confirms for us that what we are reading is, in fact, His Word and from Him. it is active and alive, supernaturally teaching us, filling us with His peace and joy - what other book can we read that does the same? God bless -

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

 

[seekandlisten]

Gods Spirit is presently not is this world at this time, but in the near future His Spirit will once again be present.

'God's' Spirit is very much alive and present in this world, I don't understand your reasoning behind this statement?

As far as the bible, 'God's Word' is alive and active and yes the bible does contain the 'Word of God' in its pages but the 'Living Word' is not limited to just the bible nor is the bible the 'literal spoken Word of God' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents

 

[francisdesales]

Gods Spirit is presently not is this world at this time, but in the near future His Spirit will once again be present.

'God's' Spirit is very much alive and present in this world, I don't understand your reasoning behind this statement?

As far as the bible, 'God's Word' is alive and active and yes the bible does contain the 'Word of God' in its pages but the 'Living Word' is not limited to just the bible nor is the bible the 'literal spoken Word of God' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents

I agree with both points.

Scriptures quite clearly, over and over again, note that the Spirit is active within us, the Church. It is the Spirit that even enables us to pray and say "Abba"!

The Living Word is indeed not limited to pages in a book, since ultimately, this Word is Jesus Christ Himself.

Regards

 

[Physicist]

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

hi James,
with your above statement i am wondering why you believe the Bible does not give evidence of its own authenticity? the written Word proves itself. we have the Word who is Jesus and we have the written Word which is the same, when we are in the written Word, we are in Jesus.
when we read the written Word, the Holy Spirit confirms for us that what we are reading is, in fact, His Word and from Him. it is active and alive, supernaturally teaching us, filling us with His peace and joy - what other book can we read that does the same? God bless -

How does the Bible give evidence of its own authenticity? You speak of the Holy Spirit but that is the subjective feelings of the believer. I would presume that Muslims feel the same way when reading the Quran.

 

[DarcyLu]

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

hi James,
with your above statement i am wondering why you believe the Bible does not give evidence of its own authenticity? the written Word proves itself. we have the Word who is Jesus and we have the written Word which is the same, when we are in the written Word, we are in Jesus.
when we read the written Word, the Holy Spirit confirms for us that what we are reading is, in fact, His Word and from Him. it is active and alive, supernaturally teaching us, filling us with His peace and joy - what other book can we read that does the same? God bless -

How does the Bible give evidence of its own authenticity? You speak of the Holy Spirit but that is the subjective feelings of the believer. I would presume that Muslims feel the same way when reading the Quran.

hi Physicist,
it would be impossible for the Muslims to feel the same way while reading the Quran as they do not have the Holy Spirit and it is not a "feeling" in what you are saying - it's a "you just know" sort of thing, it is the Holy Spirit speaking and confirming to your Spirit, it is a peace that surpasses all understanding, unless you speak of peace as a feeling, it's all supernatural so it's hard to explain.
if you don't believe the written Word that i'm not sure how to answer your other question. it just does.

 

[JudaicChristian]

You have exalted your CHURCH and have diminished God's and Yahshua's prophecies.

The fulfillment of prophesies depend upon the interpreter. That is why the Jews do not accept that these prophesies speak about Christ - because they are vague.

I am not exalting the Church, just speaking the truth. My knowledge that the Bible is the Word of God is based upon faith, not scientific or literary proof. You can complain all you want about the Church, but without it, you wouldn't have a Bible...That is historically verifiable.

If you can prove otherwise, be my guest...

Didn't the Nicene counsel order the burning of the original scriptures? We do know as a matter of fact that when those who disagreed with the Pope were burned alive, that their scriptures were burned with them. The gift of interpretation of scriptures is a very rare gift, often the prophets were not sure of what their prophecy meant. Correct interpretations are not opinions.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Gods Spirit is presently not is this world at this time, but in the near future His Spirit will once again be present.

'God's' Spirit is very much alive and present in this world, I don't understand your reasoning behind this statement?

As far as the bible, 'God's Word' is alive and active and yes the bible does contain the 'Word of God' in its pages but the 'Living Word' is not limited to just the bible nor is the bible the 'literal spoken Word of God' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents

Presently, not literally. Isaiah 18:3 All you people of the world,
you who live on the earth,
when a banner is raised on the mountains,
you will see it,
and when a trumpet sounds,
you will hear it.

4 This is what the LORD says to me:
"I will remain quiet and will look on from my dwelling place,
Isaiah 55:6
Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.

 

[JamesWesley]

"Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?"

The evidence relies on the witness of the Church. It is based upon our faith in their reliable witness to what we call inspired writings from God.

Vague prophesies, history or archeology do not prove the Bible is the Word of God, not in the slightest. The "Evidence" rests upon our faith that the Apostles were not liars or total morons and that we believe the claims made by the Church.

Regards

Your answer seems to me to be the most realistic one that I have seen so far. So, thank you for that.

However, I do find some issues with your explanation. Primarily, why do you place faith that the apostles were correct and others such as Mohammad were wrong?

inspired writings from God

The same "evidence" for proving these writings are inspired from God is faith, or is it something more?

 

[JamesWesley]

My question is... "Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?" As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

There are numerous prophecies that have been fulfilled, along with those who have given testimony of such events. The translations are not always perfect, and that is why a person must study those places in scripture that are questionable. Gods Spirit is presently not is this world at this time, but in the near future His Spirit will once again be present. That will be during the time of the Two Witnesses. Also some evidents can be found in history and archaeology.

Could you name some of those prophecies with the verses that go along with them? The prophecies seem to vague and can be attributed to most anything in most any period of time.

 

[JamesWesley]

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!

hi James,
with your above statement i am wondering why you believe the Bible does not give evidence of its own authenticity? the written Word proves itself. we have the Word who is Jesus and we have the written Word which is the same, when we are in the written Word, we are in Jesus.
when we read the written Word, the Holy Spirit confirms for us that what we are reading is, in fact, His Word and from Him. it is active and alive, supernaturally teaching us, filling us with His peace and joy - what other book can we read that does the same? God bless -

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

Hello, Darcylu.

with your above statement i am wondering why you believe the Bible does not give evidence of its own authenticity? the written Word proves itself.

This is what is referred to as circular reasoning and doesn't make much sense. It is as if I were to say "Everything I say is true" and you would respond "How can you prove that?" and then I responding to that "Because I said it. Everything I say is true".

we have the Word who is Jesus and we have the written Word which is the same, when we are in the written Word, we are in Jesus.

Could you elaborate a bit more on this for me? I'm not sure of what you mean here.

when we read the written Word, the Holy Spirit confirms for us that what we are reading is, in fact, His Word and from Him. it is active and alive, supernaturally teaching us, filling us with His peace and joy - what other book can we read that does the same? God bless -

How do you know what you are feeling (under the assumption that you are feeling something) is the Holy spirit? As for other books, the Muslims would feel the same about their Koran, the Hindus would feel the same about their Vedas, etc, etc.

 

[JamesWesley]

The question you ask is a matter of faith. It is not a historical or scientific question that can be answered by simply examining the evidence. For example, I could show you where certain books in the Bible derived from earlier works of other religions. However, true believers could say that was how YHWH wanted it done.

I'm sorry for not seeing your post sooner.

You and francisdesales have provided the two best answers so far. Thank you.

 

[Cornelius]

Hello all! First thread here besides my post in the New Members Forum.

Anyways, I felt this was the appropriate place to post this.


My question is...

"Is there any evidence that confirms that the bible is God's word?"

As evidence I'm not very willing to take what is written in the Bible as evidence, as it doesn't really hold up well when examined. Anyways, looking forward to replies!





(Please, don't think I'm trolling on a Christian site. I was banned from a Christian chat room for asking questions like this. I'm not trolling.)

Introduction by Dr. Keith L. Brooks
One of the most remarkable occurrences in our time is God's preparation of one individual to produce positive evidence that would completely undermine all Biblical criticism and bring atheism toppling to the ground wherever honest, thinking men will face the facts.

More startling still is the fact that this individual was a converted Russian Nihilist, a Harvard scholar, and a mathematician. At the very time when organized atheism was laying its plan to get control of Russia and make use of its vast resources to sow the seeds of atheism in every nation of the earth, God was preparing His Russian, Ivan Panin, to bring forth scientific evidence of the verbal and plenary inspiration of the holy Scriptures in the original languages.

Dr. Panin, who passed away in October, 1942, after 50 years of work on Bible numerics, was not the first to discover that there was a strange mathematical structure running through the Bible. There was Browne in his Ordo Saeculoreum, and Grant in his Numbers of the Bible and Bullinger in his Numbers of the Scriptures. These all brought forth many striking examples of numeric features in the Bible.

(you can read the rest here if you so wish.....) http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Apologe ... _Panin.htm

 

[Cornelius]

Genesis 1:1 (Hebrew is read from right to left)

Substituting the place values for the 28 letters (this portion is from left to right for conveniance, with the first 14 letters marked off in red):

2-20-1-21-10-22 2-20-1 1-12-5-10-13 1-22 5-21-13-10-13 6-1-22 5-1-20-18
in beginning he created God *** the heaven and the earth

Features In The Whole Verse
The entire verse has 7 words.
There are 28 letters (7 x 4).
The three leading nouns in the verse (God, heaven, earth) have a numeric value of 777.
Their place value sum is 147 (7 x 7 x 3).

Features In The First Part
The sum of the first 3 words forming a complete sentence has 14 (7 x 2) place values (in red). Their sum is 140 (7 x 5 x 4) .
Of these 14 letters, eight are even (2, 20, 10, 22, 2, 20, 12, 10). Their sum is 98 (7 x 7 x 2).
This leaves the sum of the odd place values at 42 (140 - 98 = 42). 42 = 7 x 6
Three letters are wholly or partially silent (1, 5, 10). They appear in the first 14 letters: 1 10 1 1 5 10. The sum of these numbers is 28 (7 x 4).


(There are more features in this verse , which I am not quoting now )