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Is the bible reliable?

ventura23 said:
Why is their doubt in the first place? so much for the topic.
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The topic relates to the book mentioned in the OP, "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." It is an apologetics book aimed at showing the reliability of the Bible due to claims made by skeptics and atheists, some of which can cause a significant amount of doubt and a crisis of faith. Christians need to know how to defend the reliability of Scripture against such claims, some of which have nothing to do with whether or not one reads the Bible reliably.
 
Free said:
The topic relates to the book mentioned in the OP, "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." It is an apologetics book aimed at showing the reliability of the Bible due to claims made by skeptics and atheists, some of which can cause a significant amount of doubt and a crisis of faith. Christians need to know how to defend the reliability of Scripture against such claims, some of which have nothing to do with whether or not one reads the Bible reliably.
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It has everything to do with how we read the bible when people have no understand from God to read it reliably.
Humans lack it..
 
opinions don't come from experience but pondering? really? the bible is a written account in parts of of what men saw, and experienced and wrote. they sure after expericience had an opinon about god. he is real!
 
sometimes I base my opinions on the wrong view based on what I have seen or read and other times it solid. but with the bible we are at different stages. no one has got the bible fully understood. every time I think I have got it right on the grey area. I need to learn again. the grey areas are:

what is the YHWH, yes there is a trinity but is He the son or the Father?
end times
hell and that stuff
soul and what Is it.
 
jasoncran said:
opinions don't come from experience but pondering? really? the bible is a written account in parts of of what men saw, and experienced and wrote. they sure after expericience had an opinon about god. he is real!
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you misunderstood me.
I said without experience one will not understand scripture.
 
ventura23 said:
you misunderstood me.
I said without experience one will not understand scripture.
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so when I was saved and god told me to read genesis and no pastor told me that. I misunderstood the bible? the implications here that all posters know the lord and they can be disagreeing on the word. we all will agree that sinner cant understand the bible.

but that doesn't negate frees point. there is a point where a man will know the bible is true and lie to deny that he is a sinner. such cases are recorded in the torah. ie when the children of isreal died in the wilderness they knew god, the knew him. they knew what he wanted. they didn't want to serve him.
 
honeslty, I have had struggles with the bible.

did god really tell the Hebrews to slay children?
did god slay babies in the flood the Passover?
what about gentile slaves? he gave commands about that and why didn't he just ban it.

yet all of these I can reconcile. its not easy but its doable.
 
As a believer i know the Word to be true... Knowing the history of scripture is edifying ... For lack of vocabulary one is spirit knowledge one is head knowledge. We worship in spirit and truth... It is evident God cares about history, we have a wonderful historical in scripture... Knowing some of the where,why, hows of how scripture was put together does not change my faith. Kinda nice to know even the 'world' can't deny His Word.


Pro 23:12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.
 
Our system of beliefs is based on faith (however you want to define it, we can agree it's some form of faith). This does not mean that Jesus existing, and the scriptures being reliable are things we need to have much faith in. Honestly, faith like that is fine, but when there is empirical evidence of these things, you'll find it's much harder for it to be denied. In my previous discussions, people would fight tooth and nail with me over the resurrection. The problem is that the resurrection was empirically verified, and the people who witnessed it often went to gruesome deaths. The testimonies in scripture would stand up in court. The only denial they can legitimately make is over the impossibility of resurrection...however that's very closed minded and unscientific.

The evidence starts to stack up after a while. Believe it or not, to some extent, you don't really need much faith to believe in a resurrection. It's not as though faith needs to be narrowed and made insignificant. Faith is vital, however the more I've explored, the more I've realized it really isn't that much of a jump from the evidence to what it means to be Christian. Nonbelievers try to turn it into a gulf, but in fact it's not that much of a step. This isn't the place to discuss the validity of other religious texts, but at the very least, the New Testament is incredibly reliable, and should be treated as such.
 
There is only one faith God given faith for without its impossible to know God..:yes

Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

tob
 
Danacovert82 said:
I say the bible is reliable. Why wouldn't it be?
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Your question is hard to answer because you deflect defense of your stance onto the person asking.

Personally, I'm not to interested in debating miniscule facts about the Bible. However, if someone is convinced of something, if I ask them why they convince, and they turn the question on me. Then I really don't put much credence into the person's beliefs.
 
jasoncran said:
honeslty, I have had struggles with the bible.

did god really tell the Hebrews to slay children?
did god slay babies in the flood the Passover?
what about gentile slaves? he gave commands about that and why didn't he just ban it.

yet all of these I can reconcile. its not easy but its doable.
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What scripture was that?
 
ventura23 said:
What scripture was that?
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the Passover? do you know about that final plague and what Passover is all about?
the Hebrews could own gentile slaves and other Hebrews sold in debt. in Joshua he is commanded to slay both young and old and male and female in the conquest of judged cities.
 
The bible was written by men moved by the holy spirit.. A sure sign we are living in the final days.. is the bible reliable.. if you know Jesus it is..

II Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

tob
 
turnorburn said:
... its our owners manual don't go anywhere without it.. :)

tob
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I have said the same thing myself before.

The bible is certainly reliable. It is written in such form so it can not be understood by non-believers, yet can be understood with spiritual help from the Holy Spirit for believers. You can not intellectualize the Word and prove it or not prove it. And yet, for one seeking and living by the Spirit...it is revealed to be true and reliable. It is a self-substantiating book!

Like one poster put it, head knowledge will leave you questioning, while spirit knowledge will be revealing. If one finds themself rejecting a passage of scripture because it takes you out of your comfort zone of what you were taught...understand what is happening at that moment. You have leaned upon your own understanding, put the old man back on, and rejected your faith. Truth is not what we make it to be, it is what it is. There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

Yes, the truth is stranger than fiction. The Holy Spirit will illuminate the truth, but we must be willing receive it for what it is, not what we want it to be. Does anyone think that they're smarter than the Holy Spirit? Listen, and receive. Like that why did God kill women and children passage. I had trouble with that also. Why would God do that? I couldn't wrap my mind around it. That was the trouble. Needing to wrap my mind around it instead of my spirit. I prayed and read, prayed and read...received in the spirit in faith. They were a corrupt bloodline, hellbent on polluting the bloodlines of the Messiah so that he could not be born, for it is written, that He was to be of a pure bloodline. I wasn't trying to make that the truth, or trying to believe that, I merely received with open heart and spirit what the Spirit showed me. It is what it is. The truth. Once I received in spirit, a funny thing happened...then I could wrap my feeble fleshy mind around it, lol.

It's all about living for the spirit, in faith. What is given in grace, must be received in faith. It is not head knowledge, it is spirit knowledge.
 
I am a Johnny-come-lately, as Christians go but I know enough to know that the only Omnipotent God has not only ordained men to record His Word but that He and only He has the absolute power to preserve it, no matter how many deceivers seek to pollute it with the Liar's lies.

The Book referenced, I have found, exceedingly profitable when dealing with an honest Seeker. A much better, though not as readable is Christian Encyclopedia of Apologetics. Having reached a point that is nearing the end of my Earthly Journey, I passed all of my Sermon Outlines, Commentaries and books on Christian Apologetics off to a younger man that has surrendered to the Ministry of the Word.

Although it is ever more and more common for pretenders to enter the Church Body and sow the seeds of distrust, it never fails to astonish me when a person, professing the name of the Christ makes statements like, "What does it matter?" In the last chapter of Matthew, in the last three verses of this chapter, the Christ left us with one Mandate, we are to reach the Lost!

Since Jan. 1, 1990 I have been belittled, cursed and all but spit on in likie manor to what they did to my Saviour and just as one, sorry, hippie did to a man less than 30 hours off the Killing Fields of South Vietnam. Except for the hospitalized hippie, all of this from "Christians?"

I learned, right quickly, in Vietnam, if it does not help defeat the enemy... shhhh!
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