Novum said:
sehad said:
Agreed. I would never steal or murder anyone whether or not I believed in GOD. These actions are punishable by law of man though, so there is still something that would keep me from committing them. However, cheating on my wife(however punishable by losing half of your stuff) is not physically punishable by man's law. Sleeping with another person's spouse is not punishable by man's law. Drinking and sleeping with anyone I can(if of age) is not punishable by man's law. Not going to church is not punishable by man's law. Not obeying my parents is not punishable by man's law.
Man's law is not a standard for ethics. There is no shortage of immoral acts that are legal, and there is no shortage of moral acts that have been outlawed.
I would not desire to commit any of the acts you cited above, but my reason for avoiding them is not because they are illegal. Laws are temporary and changing; morals are much more deep-rooted. I find the acts you cited immoral, and that is what would prevent me from doing them. Whether or not they are illegal is secondary.
Can anyone show me HARD FACTUAL EVIDENCE that the bible is true or false?
No. No one can.
I am an atheist, and I am therefore of the position that the bible is written by men, full of contradictions, and so on and so forth. Christians who read my words would likely deny there exist any contradictions and spout off anecdotal evidence about the effect of god in their lives.
Whether or not you find the bible to be true is a matter entirely up to your consideration. I could list off story after story about how I've successfully lived my entire life without it; other Christians would retell story after story about how the bible changed their lives for the better. If you buy into Christianity, you will find the bible to be true. If you don't buy in, the bible is irrelevant to you.
Honestly, I think that whether or not the bible is true is the wrong question to be asking. If you can come to a conclusion yourself on whether or not god exists (which god? Zeus? Hera? Thor? and so on...), then I think things will fall into place on their own for you.
Well, I am not going to argue with an atheist, but, i will give some facts for the proof that the Holy Bible is true. Liberals with their darkened minds like to attack the Bible. 2Cor. 10 tells us that we are to "destroy speculations(ideas) and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God" and we are to take "every thought captive to the obedience of Christ". So, since the atheist does not believe the bible to be true and wrttien by God, i will take a scientific aproach:
Fulfilled Prophecies
The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.
For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins. This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later.
There are extensive prophecies dealing with individual nations and cities and with the course of history in general, all of which have been literally fulfilled. More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Christ Himself at His first coming. Other prophecies deal with the spread of Christianity, as well as various false religions, and many other subjects.
There is no other book, ancient or modern, like this. The vague, and usually erroneous, prophecies of people like Jeanne Dixon, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and others like them are not in the same category at all, and neither are other religious books such as the Koran, the Confucian Analects, and similar religious writings. Only the Bible manifests this remarkable prophetic evidence, and it does so on such a tremendous scale as to render completely absurd any explanation other than divine revelation.
Unique Historical Accuracy
The historical accuracy of the Scriptures is likewise in a class by itself, far superior to the written records of Egypt, Assyria, and other early nations. Archeological confirmations of the Biblical record have been almost innumerable in the last century. Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said:
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
Scientific Accuracy
Another striking evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many of the principles of modern science were recorded as facts of nature in the Bible long before scientist confirmed them experimentally. A sampling of these would include:
Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)
Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)
Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7)
Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)
Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)
Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)
Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11)
Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)
Gravitational field (Job 26:7)
and many others.
These are not stated in the technical jargon of modern science, of course, but in terms of the basic world of man's everyday experience; nevertheless, they are completely in accord with the most modern scientific facts.
It is significant also that no real mistake has ever been demonstrated in the Bible -- in science, in history, or in any other subject. Many have been claimed, of course, but conservative Bible scholars have always been able to work out reasonable solutions to all such problems.
resource: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html
In Christ,
Andrew