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Is the bride of Christ a part of the church, or is she all the church?

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Eugene

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Is the bride of Christ a part of the church, or is she all the church?

Will she be seen in heaven? There are three separate parts of the church arriving in heaven and they are the twenty-four elders (the dead in Christ to rise first) of Rev 4:4 and the four beasts (Those alive at Jesus’ coming for them in the air) of Rev 4:6. This combined cohort sing the identical song in Rev 5:9-10 of being redeemed to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth (or over the earth - they remain in heaven).

The second and most numerous are the great multitude of Rev 7:9 also of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne. Rev 7:14 tells us that “These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

The last to be caught up unto God is the one hundred and forty-four thousand seen standing on mount Sion in Rev 14:1, the heavenly Jerusalem, and in Rev 14:4 they seen following the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were also redeemed from among men.

Enough for this one post. :)
 
I believe the bride is Israel. When the Israelites forsook God and turned to idols, God called it a divorce.

She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce. (Jer. 3:8 ESV)​

And when the covenant is renewed, God says it will be like a re-marriage.

Then she shall say, "I will go and return to my first husband" (Hos. 2:7 ESV)​


The TOG​
 
2 cor 11:2

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ

the church is the bride of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ will call for his bride before he unleashes the wrath of the lamb.

Israels husband is God.
 
veryberry said:
2 cor 11:2

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ

the church is the bride of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ will call for his bride before he unleashes the wrath of the lamb.

Israels husband is God.
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That how I understand it to a point, but I believe there's more than merely getting to heaven.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

As to being saved Paul undoubtedly is, knows it, and was expressing a desire to achieve the best with Christ in his walk.

Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. What prize do you suppose that to be?

Thanks.
 
a faithful christian, who works for the Lord will be rewarded in heaven for his/her service. Of couse, if you do not work, you will suffer loss, but you will still be saved as of by fire. i believe there are 5 crowns, maybe seven, i'll have to look it up again...
 
veryberry said:
a faithful christian, who works for the Lord will be rewarded in heaven for his/her service. Of course, if you do not work, you will suffer loss, but you will still be saved as of by fire. i believe there are 5 crowns, maybe seven, i'll have to look it up again...
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There are five listed below. I had to correct my original list : I had mentioned two crowns twice. One thing to consider is that only two of the seven assemblies in Revelation Chapters Two and Three are said to have crowns, and they are the church at Smyrna in Rev 2:10 and Philadelphia in Rev 3:10..

incorruptible. 1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
Philippians 4:1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.

crown of rejoicing 1 Thessalonians 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

crown of righteousness 2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

crown of life James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

crown of glory 1 Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
 
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The Church is the bride of Christ...the entire thing.

Look, I found something we agree on!
 
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” (Rev. 19:9 ESV)​

If the church is the bride, who's invited?

The TOG​
 
metaphors. jesus compared his return to a jewish wedding.it doesn't mean that there is a literal guest list for goy and gentiles that wont be resurrected, as no bodily resurrection is mentioned for them in the nt but its said in the tanach.
 
jasoncran said:
metaphors. jesus compared his return to a jewish wedding.it doesn't mean that there is a literal guest list for goy and gentiles that wont be resurrected, as no bodily resurrection is mentioned for them in the nt but its said in the tanach.
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What do you think Jason and why if I might ask? Thanks.
 
Eugene said:
What do you think Jason and why if I might ask? I'm not seeing any from the view point of the end of the millennium being caught up to heaven. Thanks.
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simple I am a JEW, BY DENYING MY LINEAGE AS A SON OF ABRAHAM PER your doctrine , the fact is that you cant do that and deny all of us the that believe in jesus now or even alledged millennium. you have said that all jews and gentile are under the blood, therefore if the Passover, and all than is no longer needed for ones souls what is the difference tween a messianic jew and a Christian now and then?
 
jews say that they are also spiritual beings, I listened to a Chassidic rabbi teach on mikeitz and what that is and how it leads into channukah.
 
jasoncran said:
simple I am a JEW, BY DENYING MY LINEAGE AS A SON OF ABRAHAM PER your doctrine , the fact is that you cant do that and deny all of us the that believe in jesus now or even alledged millennium. you have said that all jews and gentile are under the blood, therefore if the Passover, and all than is no longer needed for ones souls what is the difference tween a messianic jew and a Christian now and then?
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Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, but the church is made up of Jew and Gentile counted as one in Christ; I reckon I should say it right and say there is neither Jew or Gentile in Him, but we are one body and He is the Head. Those that enter the tribulation is due to judgment, the time of the Gentiles will end (Their time in power since Nebuchadnezzar) and God sets about making Israel head of the nations again. You, me and everyone who has confessed Jesus as Lord will be with Him in heaven regardless our reward.
 
your missing the point. in said trib what is the ONLY a jew or gentile is saved? and will my family have to be in isreal be part of isreal to be counted? that is the problem . im not any less of jew to them if I was going to the temple here or in isreal. its the fact that I do the torah that is good.
 
jasoncran said:
im not any less of jew to them if I was going to the temple here or in isreal.
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Brother, I do not know of your parents, but you and I are in the body of Christ, and as such we are destined to be with Him in heaven; not on earth going to temples. If your parents are not yet saved let's pray for them that they will come to know our Savior.

I will add that it is not just Jews or Gentiles, but at this time them out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
 
Eugene said:
Is the bride of Christ a part of the church, or is she all the church?

Will she be seen in heaven? There are three separate parts of the church arriving in heaven and they are the twenty-four elders (the dead in Christ to rise first) of Rev 4:4 and the four beasts (Those alive at Jesus’ coming for them in the air) of Rev 4:6. This combined cohort sing the identical song in Rev 5:9-10 of being redeemed to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth (or over the earth - they remain in heaven).

The second and most numerous are the great multitude of Rev 7:9 also of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne. Rev 7:14 tells us that “These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

The last to be caught up unto God is the one hundred and forty-four thousand seen standing on mount Sion in Rev 14:1, the heavenly Jerusalem, and in Rev 14:4 they seen following the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were also redeemed from among men.

Enough for this one post. :)
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The Bride, the Body, the Royal Family, the Church. The mystery doctrine that Paul delivered to the Gentiles.

At Pentecost the Church or the Body started and will end at the rapture of the Church. The Bride or Church was a Mystery. It was not known.(Still isn't known by quite a few christians)

Matt 16:18~~And I tell you that you are Peter(a stone), and on this rock(Christ) I will(At pentecost) build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

The Bride of Christ is any believer that has lived from pentecost to the rapture of the Bride or Church. Equal opportunity equal privilege for all.



The Bride is the mystery of the Church and pertains to church age believers only.

The bride is all of the church and all of the Church will have a heavenly home.

Eph 5:30-32~~because we are members of His body.31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE,AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.32 This mystery is great;but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

John 14:3~~"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
 
gr8grace3 said:
The Bride of Christ is any believer that has lived from Pentecost to the rapture of the Bride or Church. Equal opportunity equal privilege for all.

The bride is all of the church and all of the Church will have a heavenly home.
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Hi dear brother and I love your post even though I'm not in agreement with the above portion. From my posts I reckon you suspected that. :)

If all the church is the bride why does the Apostle see different cohorts of believers arrive at separate times in heaven (some prior to tribulation - others out of great tribulation), with different rewards (some have crowns - others a palm), different proximity's to the throne (some round bout and in the midst of the throne - others before the throne), different promises (some reign as kings and priests - others serve in the temple).

I'll leave off here for the time being . Thanks.
 
Eugene said:
Hi dear brother and I love your post even though I'm not in agreement with the above portion. From my posts I reckon you suspected that. :)

If all the church is the bride why does the Apostle see different cohorts of believers arrive at separate times in heaven (some prior to tribulation - others out of great tribulation), with different rewards (some have crowns - others a palm), different proximity's to the throne (some round bout and in the midst of the throne - others before the throne), different promises (some reign as kings and priests - others serve in the temple).

I'll leave off here for the time being . Thanks.
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I agree with what you see. Different rewards,different places,different time frames for different believers. And How he specifically sets up the new earth and new heavens at the end is beyond me......It is heavenly for the church and earthly for Israel.

But the Bride or the Church is always distinct. Just as Israel is as Gods people. The Church is His royal family. Israel is His Royal people.

John 20:29~~Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.".....there is a distinction in this and it is the Church,bride,royal family, body of Christ.

Israel was the age of signs and wonders, God directly in the mix. The Church is blessed because we take it on all faith......God still works and is active in our lives but He does not reveal Himself directly like the OT and hypostatic union.
 
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The church is often described as the bride of Christ, while Bible students sometimes call Israel the wife of Jehovah.
 
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