jasoncran
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let me ask you this what is the means of which the goy will be saved? law or the blood? and jews in the millennium.
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Is the bride of Christ a part of the church, or is she all the church?
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jasoncran
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an atheist would deny that all day long. he would vehemently say I need no god to make me good and love. in his or her eyes he is right.
Edward
2024 Supporter
This is true...BUT! you have to give the Holy Spirit something to work with. One has to act and then through faith the Holy Spirit makes the good work happen. It's not like we don't have free will and everything is up to the Holy Spirit. I can choose to stay home, or to go spread some of Gods love on the street, plant seeds. The action would not bear fruit without the Holy Spirit, but He needs something to work with!
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Tristan
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I like the irony of the fact that they deny God with their lips but accept him in their heart. That to me is where God gets the last laugh.
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Tristan
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Yeah, okay. This is precisely what I mean. Their love is manifest in their actions. There are secular organizations that are out doing the Lord's work without recognizing it.
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Tristan
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My logic because I'm convicted of it, just like you are of yours. edited
You're just repeating yourself and ignoring what I'm saying. I assert that they DO believe. I'm agreeing with that statement, I just define belief differently. There are people that believe in God literally (the Church) and those who don't (the guests). They express faith by believing in something they don't see. They don't know anything about it, yet they have faith anyway. That is the ultimate expression of faith if you ask me.
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Tristan
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You're going to have to back that statement up.
God is intelligent.
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There is ultimately only sin and righteousness, black and white. Man developed the concept of "different shades of grey" to make their sin seem not so bad. But really there is only sin and righteousness.
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Edward
2024 Supporter
Sounds like a private wedding to me. The bride is the guests I do believe. Five virgins don't get in. Oh, they're saved, but not spotless and unblemished. Some's walk is more pure than others. It says He comes for His bride, not for a bunch of guests too.
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Tristan
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"Bride" AND "of" AND "Christ"
occurs in 0 verses in the KJV.
Nope, but all it needs to do is imply for it to be true:
"For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ." -2 Corinthians 11:2
"“Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem, Thus says the Lord,
“I remember the devotion of your youth,
your love as a bride,
how you followed me in the wilderness,
in a land not sown." -Jeremiah 2:2
Mmm...maybe I'll redefine it a bit. The people of God are the bride. Now this
jasoncran
Member
I will remind that to my wife, when I tell her I hate her and see how that works. it wont. please. if they are his they wouldn't be saying that. I see that you haven't a clue on salvation, if you are really his you wont deny him.
One of the key verses for me brings in some controversy regarding "works". When we look at the Revelation of Jesus as given to John, the Beloved, we find "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [Revelation 19:7]
The "wife" has made herself ready.
There are many who will fight tooth and nail in opposition to this simple statement.
This WAY of Christ enables the student to understand such terms as legal righteousness, imputed righteousness, provisional righteousness, and experiential righteousness. One learns the difference between condemnation and conviction. We learn how faith and works go together, how to use trials to advantage, and principles of overcoming the lusts of the flesh. We discover what problems need to be faced on the basis of demonic involvement and how to deal with them. Most significantly, The WAY furnishes the student with aids to walking in the Spirit and falling in love with Jesus.
My thought is that God is no respecter of Persons and that He has indeed opened the Promise, first made to the seed of the Woman (Eve) then expanded as He revealed His fuller intent to Abraham and the Children of Israel. When Salvation was given beyond the seed of the Abraham, the Father of Faith, the man who seeks the city whose Builder and Maker is God, it was also shown that we are to become that very city. That we (each one) are called with that same calling of our High Priest. But some will not.
Servants perform duties. That's not a bad thing. Friends understand the nature of the business of the House and are no longer considered servants. This is not to say that the servant will not get the reward but only those who hear and really hear what the Spirit says to the church will be perfected --matured, equipped for every good work. Only those of whom it may be said, "she has made herself ready," only those who consider a field and purchase it of their own labor (the Good Wife, the Who-can-find? Woman) are to be found ready.
Jesus will perform it. I think part of the "works" conundrum is the generous nature of God and how He allows us to show His glory. Our submission to Him is the requirement. It is our willingness to follow after Him even as the enemy tests that allows Him to do His work in and through us.
The "wife" has made herself ready.
There are many who will fight tooth and nail in opposition to this simple statement.
This WAY of Christ enables the student to understand such terms as legal righteousness, imputed righteousness, provisional righteousness, and experiential righteousness. One learns the difference between condemnation and conviction. We learn how faith and works go together, how to use trials to advantage, and principles of overcoming the lusts of the flesh. We discover what problems need to be faced on the basis of demonic involvement and how to deal with them. Most significantly, The WAY furnishes the student with aids to walking in the Spirit and falling in love with Jesus.
My thought is that God is no respecter of Persons and that He has indeed opened the Promise, first made to the seed of the Woman (Eve) then expanded as He revealed His fuller intent to Abraham and the Children of Israel. When Salvation was given beyond the seed of the Abraham, the Father of Faith, the man who seeks the city whose Builder and Maker is God, it was also shown that we are to become that very city. That we (each one) are called with that same calling of our High Priest. But some will not.
Servants perform duties. That's not a bad thing. Friends understand the nature of the business of the House and are no longer considered servants. This is not to say that the servant will not get the reward but only those who hear and really hear what the Spirit says to the church will be perfected --matured, equipped for every good work. Only those of whom it may be said, "she has made herself ready," only those who consider a field and purchase it of their own labor (the Good Wife, the Who-can-find? Woman) are to be found ready.
Jesus will perform it. I think part of the "works" conundrum is the generous nature of God and how He allows us to show His glory. Our submission to Him is the requirement. It is our willingness to follow after Him even as the enemy tests that allows Him to do His work in and through us.
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When asked why his disciples didn't fast, Jesus replied that the friends of the bridegroom don't do that when they are in his company. Jesus called his friends just that: friends. But that does not limit them any more than if I were to tell my wife (I'm not married, just saying) "You are my friend."
We have more than one role to play here. Yes: servants. Yes: friends. It is my hope to be able to see, to glimpse, the one whom He shall call Wife. That depends on the times which no man knows but it is an enduring hope. We can see the season. Each will do well to heed that advice given to the virgins regarding their lamps.
What may we do without light? Seek the oil today that we are not found without.
Proverbs 31:10-31 A good wife who can find?
She considers a field and buys it;
She opens her hand to the poor, and reaches out her hands to the needy.
Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come.
Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.
We have more than one role to play here. Yes: servants. Yes: friends. It is my hope to be able to see, to glimpse, the one whom He shall call Wife. That depends on the times which no man knows but it is an enduring hope. We can see the season. Each will do well to heed that advice given to the virgins regarding their lamps.
What may we do without light? Seek the oil today that we are not found without.
Proverbs 31:10-31 A good wife who can find?
She is far more precious than jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain. She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life. She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands. She is like the ships of the merchant, she brings her food from afar. She rises while it is yet night and provides food for her household and tasks for her maidens.
She considers a field and buys it;
with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard. She girds her loins with strength and makes her arms strong. She perceives that her merchandise is profitable. Her lamp does not go out at night. She puts her hands to the distaff, and her hands hold the spindle.
She opens her hand to the poor, and reaches out her hands to the needy.
She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household are clothed in scarlet. She makes herself coverings; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers girdles to the merchant.
Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come.
She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue. She looks well to the ways of her household, and does not eat the bread of idleness.
Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her:
"Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all."
"Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all."
Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.
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I don’t know if this will help, but in kinship we are sons, but in love and fellowship with Christ we are servants of all. Mar 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
1Cor 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. This is the righteous acts of saints; not works of the law.
We are being changed.
Contrast this with God, The Unchanging. We don't know who we will be. There is the Promise that we shall be like Him (Jesus). I sound like I'm stupid or something when I try to talk about this but we know how children (know-it-all's) know it all. They think that if they can think of it --they know it. But of course they don't have the experience. They don't know. They know of it, nothing more.
So also for us. We are being changed. We shall know Him. We shall be like Him because we know Him. This is the part where I start blathering but the term "know" includes knowing in a 'biblical sense' -- having an intimate knowledge. We are changing as He reveals who He is and this is ...
Hmmm... I don't know how to say it, nor how this works at all. Jesus said it too well for me to say better when He spoke of the seed and the soil and how we need to act on what we hear. But the thing is we can indeed have multiple roles as we change and can continue to walk with Him. How else could it be? To the world and according to prophecy there will be a people "born in a day" that speak the same things.
To us? I've got to think it is a process and when seen it magnifies God who alone can do all things. To those who ask for proof? Proof is coming. Who is the "Bride"? She is those who are willing. Who respond to His free gift in kind, also giving all.
I don't know how to fit this hope into eschatology and remain content to watch and wonder and of course, trust. That's the basis of faith, is it not? Trust? Leaving what is comfortable and moving toward that City whose Builder and Maker is God. This the reason for the need for Peace and Loving kindness and longsuffering toward others. So we may become pleasing in His sight. Fitly joined together.
Contrast this with God, The Unchanging. We don't know who we will be. There is the Promise that we shall be like Him (Jesus). I sound like I'm stupid or something when I try to talk about this but we know how children (know-it-all's) know it all. They think that if they can think of it --they know it. But of course they don't have the experience. They don't know. They know of it, nothing more.
So also for us. We are being changed. We shall know Him. We shall be like Him because we know Him. This is the part where I start blathering but the term "know" includes knowing in a 'biblical sense' -- having an intimate knowledge. We are changing as He reveals who He is and this is ...
Hmmm... I don't know how to say it, nor how this works at all. Jesus said it too well for me to say better when He spoke of the seed and the soil and how we need to act on what we hear. But the thing is we can indeed have multiple roles as we change and can continue to walk with Him. How else could it be? To the world and according to prophecy there will be a people "born in a day" that speak the same things.
To us? I've got to think it is a process and when seen it magnifies God who alone can do all things. To those who ask for proof? Proof is coming. Who is the "Bride"? She is those who are willing. Who respond to His free gift in kind, also giving all.
I don't know how to fit this hope into eschatology and remain content to watch and wonder and of course, trust. That's the basis of faith, is it not? Trust? Leaving what is comfortable and moving toward that City whose Builder and Maker is God. This the reason for the need for Peace and Loving kindness and longsuffering toward others. So we may become pleasing in His sight. Fitly joined together.
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Edward
2024 Supporter
I believe you have it right. We must act on what what we hear, having faith (trust) in Him, that He will keep His promises as written, that His Spirit will bear witness with our spirit and direct our paths. We will grow in Him. and walk in Him, persevering and overcoming the ways of the world while we occupy and wait upon His glorious return to collect us. We must be longsuffering towards others. It will not be easy, and we will suffer. This is ok and part of our growth. Just like little children who may get frustrated at daily problems, yet they continue to obey and to allow themselves to be directed by their parents, so should we be towards Christ. We do not need to understand it fully, but do need to remain faithful and to trust in Him, that all things work together for Good for those who love God. An absolute surrender and submission of our will to the Lord. Very similar to how a good wife will submit to Her husband and stand down in situations in and let her husband take the leadership role. She trusts him because she loves him. Same thing.
Many Christians will not submit to the Lord 100%. Too much pride and vanity. This may be the critical difference between a follower (servant) of the Lord, and the bride of Christ. The equal rights amendment (ERA) is probably responsible for most of the divorces in today's world. She may continue to stay married to her husband and yet, draw her lines, which she will not let the husband cross. No absolute and unconditional surrender to him. If she were to give this to the husband, it would put a huge responsibility upon him, which most worldly men could not handle, but luckily (Praise God!!) the responsibility that is put upon Christ if and when we give Him absolute and unconditional surrender...will not be shirked or taken advantage of, but welcomed and desired by Him, and then we would be in a position to become the Bride of Christ.
farouk
Member
It depends what is meant by 'the Lord's work'. He does indeed work all things according to the counsel of His own will, and can overrule and use for His purposes people who are unaware of this fact. But to be a servant of the Lord with a heavenly hope, the person needs to be cleansed by the blood of Christ.