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Is the Eternal Law of God a CURSE as Paul called it in Galatians 3:13?

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What is the New Covenant ?

Jeremiah 31:33​

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Romans 7:22​

For I delight in the Torah of God after the inward man:

Hebrews 8:8​

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:9​

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in My covenant, and I regarded them not, saith YHWH.

Hebrews 8:10​

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith YHWH; I will put My Torahs into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them God, and they shall be to Me a people:

This is the Covenant that YESHUA paid for with His Blood and is the Mediator thereof.

Ezekiel 11:19​

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 11:20​

That they may walk in My statutes, and keep Mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

The Born Again man, inward man, the new creation delights in keeping the Torah, especially true for those of us that believe the promise, that He would write it upon our hearts and minds, but those that have been taught otherwise,(resist His Working in them) are in a perpetual mode of grieving the Holy Spirit if they belong to Him.

It's easier to fool someone, than to convince them they've been fooled.
Some Mitzvot Laws (The Law of Moses)
The court must not inflict punishment on Shabbat — Ex. 35:3
Not to rob openly — Lev. 19:13
Not to kill the murderer before he stands trial — Num. 35:12
Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12
Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12
The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
Not to delay burial overnight — Deut. 21:23
The court must not let the sorcerer live — Ex. 22:17
The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7
A judge must not pity the murderer or assaulter at the trial — Deut. 19:13
Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
(Lev 20:9 KJV)
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The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
(Psalms 19:7-10)

The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
(Psalms 111:7-9)

Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
(Psalms 119:151-152)

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
(Psalms 1:1-3)

I would like to add the 23 Psalm, the Lord (the Good Shepherd) being the God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob.

Can you see a discrepancy between the Law of the Lord being perfect, and the Law of Moses? What do you think?

The Ten Commandments in the Torah say not to kill. The Mitzvot Laws demand it.

The apostle Paul spoke of the CURSE OF THE LAW. What Law was he speaking about when he spoke about the "curse of the Law?"

The Jews at the time of Christ and Paul were practising the Mitzvot. Remember, they were going to stone to death the woman taken in adultery.
 
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You haven’t cited a contentious verse, that’s just it.

You only cited your opinion, which we all see is not based in scripture.


Again, the Apostle Paul did not say the law of Moses was a curse.


Paul demonstrated that the law pronounced a curse upon those who did not continue to observe all that was in the book of the law to do it.


He quoted the law of Moses, and the curse that was upon those who did not continue to do all things written in the book of the law.

  • “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”


Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Deuteronomy 27:26





JLB
JLB! You have yet again digressed and NOT replied YES or NO to the question asked! When you don’t want to answer you try to take me to YOUR topics. I won't let you off this time brother 😊

Please read my previous reply. gotquestions.org writes the following about the Law of God which INCLUDES the handw2ritten Ten Commandments of Father God written with His finger ( Deuteronomy 9:10)

As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.



Now this ( the above) is precisely what thousands of Churches have taught through 500 years.
So do you AGREE that gotquestions.org got it WRONG ( along with 100s of other churches, including mine) when they say the Law is a curse upon all mankind ?

YES or NO JLB, don't quote 100 scriptures please and digress, please! /\

Let Jesus be our witness as HE WATCHES US DEBATE FATHER GOD’S LAW

So let it be YES or NO

Did the Churches and gotqauestions.org BLUNDER when they taught freely and consistently “As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.”


YES or NO JLB? NO scriptures needed. I just want to know YOUR opinion and it’s also a commitment to the Lord who is watching us very carefully NOW

If you don’t want to reply, I will NOT insist. I wish to PROCEED and as promised let our congregation HERE on our forum KNOW what CHRIST taught about the eternal nature of the Law and HOW to obey it in its entirety.

I’ll just wait an hour and proceed. I’m still giving you prominence because we have together contended in 2017 side by side with others here why its imperative to OBEY to be saved. I still have some kind of feelings for you else with the amount of distraction/ unwarranted opposition you’re causing whenever I write, that I’m seriously considering/contemplating BLOCKING you. I believe there is a button here for that. Thanks for that provision CF and Stove, else one person can completely obstruct your thoughts, views and voice through systematic distraction, obstruction, and digression as I am consistently encountering here from ONE PARTICULAR MEMBER /\

OTHERS HERE HAVE A RIGHT to hear the OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY until now CONCEALED FROM THE ENTIRE CHURCH past 500 years. It is just the principles of natural justice to hear BOTH SIDES , and not just yours brother JLB. let them hear and then make their decisions about WHAT CHRIST SAID. Its all recorded. I'm just SPOTLIGHTING HIS WORDS... Christ's Words

So please answer YES or NO JLB and I will proceed. No digressions, please. No justifications. A plain YES or NO is requested and will SUFFICE. I ask very respectfully, hands folded 🙏

Question again:

Did the Churches and gotqauestions.org BLUNDER when they taught freely and consistently “As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.”


( PS : you don't have to reply if you don't want to I WILL regardless PROCEED TO SHARE WITH THE FORUM WHAT CHRIST SAYS ABOUT THE LAW AND ITS OBEDIENCE REQUIREMENT )
 

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Dear friends, brothers, and sisters
Thank you for bearing with me 🙏
Before I start this reply/ post, I wish to gratefully thank CF and Stove Bolts for providing a platform where we can come and share our views. Democratic discussions filled with scriptural references are always good since they edify us --- even if there are contradictory views. After all the very essence of a respectful debate is to make sure BOTH sides ( opposing each other) are heard and BEST conclusions are drawn based on information provided, and prudence, rather than angry prejudices and summary judgments and bigotry. So I thank you Stove and CF staff for allowing ones like me to yet participate.
I have been posting since 2017 friends and I will encourage you to examine my 600 + posts spanning 5 years . Even if one does NOT point at Christ then I'm not His true child but a fake bill, a counterfeit.

That being said, today I will be furnishing through my 3-4 next posts ( for they have to be spilt into bite sized posts due to word number restriction). I will request everyone reading to go through them in sequential order so that you may understand correctly what is being tried to be communicated. Your patience in the matter will be greatly appreciated
As we know there is a lot of confusion about Paul teaching the Law of God is now obsolete and stands abolished Corinthians 2:15 . This is NOT Moses' given rules BUT the Whole Law of God . the PROOF is what I reproduced from the robust and prestigious defender of Christian faith gotquestions.org where millions of Christians and others come to understand the Bible. They have CLEARLY called God's Law a CURSE to the entire mankind ( check my previous post addressed to JLB) . It does not matter if few of us think otherwise, the fact remains is much like gotquestions.org 99% Churches across the globe have taught the very same thing--- LAW OF GOD IS DEAD we are NOW UNDER GRACE, Romans 6:14 , and like mentioned before GRACE is a word Jesus never ever uttered from His mouth before crucifixion OR after the resurrection, even though in His ministry the Savior of mankind taught likely millions of people.

That being out of the way , I am sure we are all keen WHAT did the Messiah Christ Jesus SAY about the LAW , its present situation / life and if its still there unlike what Paul taught that it stands crucified and ABOLISHED ( Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14)

Even if some esteemed members here think Paul was meaning MOSES LAW, that was NOT what the star preachers and pastors and Churches across the globe taught/ interpreted. They took it as LAW OF GOD HAND WITTEN BY HIS FINGER now stands abolished and crucified. THE WHOLE THING. I am a witness to that for in my 17 years as a Christan I have been to at least 50 different Churches, and heard scores of Pastors preaching THE SAME doctrine on TV – that we are NOT under Law but “GRACE” based on Paul teachings especially Romans 6:14
Again that being out of the way let’s now dive into the WORDS OF THE SON OF GOD who is HOLDING His Power of Attorney wherein He has been granted all authority on Heaven and earth ( Matthew 28:18-20) BECAUSE of what He did on the Cross ( Isaiah 53:11-12)
He is the one who died for us on the Cross, not Paul or anyone else and he is the one who issued a terse warning in John 13:16 to NOT put anybody else’s words before His! But we did not heed apparently. In simple words, He was telling us His words TRUMP everyone else’s in Bible EXCEPT those of the Father. Read John 13:16 with Christ caveat in Matthew 24:35
I would therefore brothers and sisters IMPLORE you with FOLDED hands to LISTEN to Christ and IMPLEMENT what HE said about the existence of the Law and its obedience.
In the next 4 to 5 hours I will have posted all the remaining posts. Please bear with me and allow me that much time. Please also holds your questions that you may have until I am finished posting all of these. Should be done in the next 5-7 hours max ( if not less) Many thanks 🙏

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---------Continued in the next post as part 2--------
----Continued from my previous post reproduced here for ready reference-----

Before I continue about WHAT Christ said about the Law of God, its existence, and fulfillment/abolishment, I would like you to take a gander at the following article by a Pastor which pretty much summarizes what 99% of Churches teach ( and have taught past 500 years)



"The New Testament explicitly teaches that the old law has been abolished. Whether one is talking about the Ten Commandments or the ceremonial laws, the Law of Moses or the Law of God, all are considered the old law that no longer is in effect. Jesus Christ fulfilled that law and nailed it to the cross forever (Matthew 5:17-18; Colossians 2:13-17)."

So friends it's obvious an overwhelming majority of Christian Churches, including gotquestions.org and my former churches, teach what this Pastor ( Lyons) here has written --it's the summary of his article on whether the Law of God was abolished.

Now let's juxtapose the teachings of the Churches with what Christ Jesus taught. For this, I will be quoting Christ Himself, and David, the man after God's heart.

Christ says in Matthew 5:17-18 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Ask any teacher of English college level and they will agree that UNTIL ( till such a time) heaven and earth disappear not the least bit of the Law can go. Since the universe is still there and since we are still here the LAW IS ALSO HERE exactly as King David taught in Psalms 19:7-11, Psalm 111:7-8, Psalms 119:151-152 It is eternal, perennial, forever and ever.



So what did Jesus mean when he said I have NOT come to abolish the Law but to FULFILL it . Did he teach us HOW to fulfill the Law, its obedience REQUIREMENT/ DEMAND . Yes Christ did. THREE TIMES! But again as I mentioned before we IGNORED HIM and took the interpretation of the popular Church teaching cited above “that the old law has been abolished, and nailed to the cross”
But look, look what Jesus teaches us HOW to obey the entire Law AND the teachings of the Prophets ( INCLUDING Moses’ rules and regulations) and its dramatically different than what paul and the Churches ( who based their teachings on Paul) taught
First time:
Jesus says in Matthew 22:37-40 about the FULFILLING THE OBEDIENCE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW – it i contained in HIS TOP TWO GREATEST COMMANDMENTS

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Second Time:
Jesus says in Matthew 7:12 WHAT IS NEEDED to FULFILL THE OBEDIENCE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW

Matthew 7:12
Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this IS the Law and the Prophets.


This got me thinking WHAT do I want others to do to me that I should do to them to fulfill the Law of God and teachings of the Prophets?
I realized Jesus is teaching the SAME thing as he did in Matthew 22:39 “Love your neighbor as yourself “ because I want others to love and respect me! Jesus is thus REPEATING go and love others as yourself
(this also got me thinking WHY is Jesus talking again and again of the LAW and that too in PRESENT TENSE when its supposed to be obsolete, dead & abolished)

Third Time:

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On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

When I repeatedly read this encounter of Christ with the expert of the Law, I wondered WHY did Jesus point at the Law ( supposed to be obsolete and dead) when the expert in Law asked Christ what was needed to be saved.

If the Law was indeed abolished as Churches and Paul taught, Jesus would have pointed at himself . But he didn't. He instead pointed at the Law of God! It comprehensively proved God's Law is not dead/defunct BUT is eternal, perennial, perfect, exactly as David taught in Psalms.

The other thing that stuck out was the message from this encounter is EXACTLY what Christ taught in Matthew 22:37-40!
(Love God....love the fellow human, and you fulfill the obedience requirement of the Law!)
The other intriguing thing is the EXPERT in Law KNEW the essence of Law was Love! And in Love was the fulfillment of the Law .
Friends, brothers and sisters from all this it is evident the Law of God was not just given to teach us morality but to teach us to LOVE GOD and love the fellow human being .
Now let us examine the new commandment Christ gave His disciples hours before His crucifixion in the Last Supper

John 13:34 ►

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

Christ's new commandment was yet again above LOVE

If the Law of God was obsolete and abolished why did Jesus repeatedly tell us how the Law is fulfilled when we Love God and others?

A dead Law needs no fulfillment! It's already abolished!!!
Final proof: The day of Judgment vision ( Matthew 25: 31-46) provided by Christ Himself . The events of this Christ-provided vision will play out word for word, blow by blow as Christ provided. (Matthew 24:35)
So please be careful friends

All people will be divided into 2 groups Goats and the Sheep. Whoever went out-of their way to practice loving-kindness were saved. The ones who did not have works of loving compassion , were condemned
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Conclusion : Bible Father and Son taught us to turn away from sin and turn TO righteousness and LOVE , loving God and other human beings and when we do that we KEEP/ OBEY the entire Law of God and teachings of the Prophets ( including Moses)

We are now GOOD with God and the Son, the death of Christ on the Cross is IMPUTED to us , our sins are forgiven and we are saved exactly as the SHEEP were, in Matthew 25:31-46

Do you understand now why the good Lord repeatedly warned us moments before going to the cross...four times! " If you live me you shall keep my commandments " John 14:15, John 14:21, John 14:23, John 14:24 ! He wanted us to be SAVED!!!

And we know all His top three commandments revolved around LOVE .He wanted us to learn to LOVE so that we can be saved! There is no other way friends ..... because God Is Love! reveals the Bible ( 1 John 4:8, 1 John4:16) and Christ is Love ( John 10:30). They could have never ever taught anything else!

Because LOVE IS the OPPOSITE of Sin! reveals the Bible . It covers all sin! ( Proverbs 10:12, 1 Peter 4:8)

John the apostle knew it and therefore warned us in 1 John 4:8 " Whoever does not love ,does not know God for God is love"

The Sheep who were saved had OBEYED the Christ taught commandments, for they had walked outside their comfort zone and self-absorption and practiced loving kindness--- helped poor and needy and thereby fulfilled Christ and Father's Law and teachings and were saved.. but the goats had no works of loving kindness and were condemned...

The Metric that was used on the day of judgment was exactly what Christ had taught in His commandments. LOVE GOD, LOVE OTHERS!

So friends whenever anyone asks you the question HOW can the entire Law of God and teachings of the Prophets be obeyed , tell em through LOVE....turning away from sin and turning TO LOVE, practicing Loving kindness consistently until it becomes a second nature to us.


Bottom-line
: Law of God is NOT A CURSE! It's a blessing! It's eternal, perennial, perfect ( Psalms 19:7-11, Psalms 11:7-8, Psalms 119, Psalms 119:51-52), a Blessing -- a tree of Life ( Psalm 1:1-3) and finds its complete fulfillment/ obedience through LOVE--- works of loving-kindness.
God gave us the Law to enable us to TURN AWAY FROM SIN AND TURN TO LOVE, practicing loving-kindness as we journey through life, so that we may be saved.
(Just as the Good Samaritan when he saved the life of a stranger lying half-dead on the street, and thereby won the heart of the Christ through his acts of loving-kindness to an unknown man at the risk of his own life! )
I close with the words of the beloved Apostle of Christ, which is also the summary of the message of the Bible and the salvation doctrine of Christ, and the definition of Biblical Love.

2 John 1:6
"And this is love: that we walk in obedience to Christ’s commands. As you have heard from the beginning, His command is that you walk ( exist) in love.”

God bless everyone 🙏
 
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JLB! You have yet again digressed and NOT replied YES or NO to the question asked! When you don’t want to answer you try to take me to YOUR topics. I won't let you off this time brother 😊

Please read my previous reply. gotquestions.org writes the following about the Law of God which INCLUDES the handw2ritten Ten Commandments of Father God written with His finger ( Deuteronomy 9:10)

As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.



Now this ( the above) is precisely what thousands of Churches have taught through 500 years.
So do you AGREE that gotquestions.org got it WRONG ( along with 100s of other churches, including mine) when they say the Law is a curse upon all mankind ?

YES or NO JLB, don't quote 100 scriptures please and digress, please! /\

Let Jesus be our witness as HE WATCHES US DEBATE FATHER GOD’S LAW

So let it be YES or NO

Did the Churches and gotqauestions.org BLUNDER when they taught freely and consistently “As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.”


YES or NO JLB? NO scriptures needed. I just want to know YOUR opinion and it’s also a commitment to the Lord who is watching us very carefully NOW

If you don’t want to reply, I will NOT insist. I wish to PROCEED and as promised let our congregation HERE on our forum KNOW what CHRIST taught about the eternal nature of the Law and HOW to obey it in its entirety.

I’ll just wait an hour and proceed. I’m still giving you prominence because we have together contended in 2017 side by side with others here why its imperative to OBEY to be saved. I still have some kind of feelings for you else with the amount of distraction/ unwarranted opposition you’re causing whenever I write, that I’m seriously considering/contemplating BLOCKING you. I believe there is a button here for that. Thanks for that provision CF and Stove, else one person can completely obstruct your thoughts, views and voice through systematic distraction, obstruction, and digression as I am consistently encountering here from ONE PARTICULAR MEMBER /\

OTHERS HERE HAVE A RIGHT to hear the OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY until now CONCEALED FROM THE ENTIRE CHURCH past 500 years. It is just the principles of natural justice to hear BOTH SIDES , and not just yours brother JLB. let them hear and then make their decisions about WHAT CHRIST SAID. Its all recorded. I'm just SPOTLIGHTING HIS WORDS... Christ's Words

So please answer YES or NO JLB and I will proceed. No digressions, please. No justifications. A plain YES or NO is requested and will SUFFICE. I ask very respectfully, hands folded 🙏

Question again:

Did the Churches and gotqauestions.org BLUNDER when they taught freely and consistently “As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements.”


( PS : you don't have to reply if you don't want to I WILL regardless PROCEED TO SHARE WITH THE FORUM WHAT CHRIST SAYS ABOUT THE LAW AND ITS OBEDIENCE REQUIREMENT )


Did the Churches and gotqauestions.org BLUNDER when they taught freely and consistently

No one blundered but you.


You have demonstrated that you have trouble reading and understanding simple plain words of scripture.


The Apostle Paul did not say the law of Moses was a curse.

He quoted the law of Moses, and the curse that was upon those who did not continue to do all things written in the book of the law.

  • Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Paul did not say the law of Moses was a curse. He is quoting from the law of Moses.


  • Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”Deuteronomy 27:26

Who is speaking in Deuteronomy 27:26?

Hint: It’s not the Apostle Paul!


“And the Levites shall speak with a loud voice and say to all the men of Israel: Cursed is the one who makes a carved or molded image, an abomination to the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.’
“And all the people shall answer and say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who treats his father or his mother with contempt.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who moves his neighbor’s landmark.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who makes the blind to wander off the road.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and widow.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who lies with his father’s wife, because he has uncovered his father’s bed.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who lies with any kind of animal.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who lies with his mother-in-law.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who attacks his neighbor secretly.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who takes a bribe to slay an innocent person.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Deuteronomy 27:14-27




JLB
 
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The Apostle Paul did not say the law of Moses was a curse.
Hi JLB

I wish to thank you for this reply. Although its hurtful to be targeted , bit something very very strange happened brother. Hear with rapt attention. When I read your reply/ post it hurt me for I had written my posts ( 3 of them ) in great sincerity and love. But your harsh reply hurt me . While I was thinking what to say I suddenly felt the presence of the Lord. Yes He is here. He says it’s enough. He has had enough of your aggression of yours against His own. You may not appreciate me but He does and says He now wants to trap you JLB in your game. He didn’t appreciate your furious attack on me sometime in December ( which I had forgotten ) but He did not. When you attacked me again He lost his patience with you. So Jesus Christ who is standing next to me as I write this post wants to ask YOU this question AND He wants you to REPLY very, very carefully because your reply has deep consequences for YOU brother.

Question is very straightforward, and I asked it earlier but you didn’t reply. NOW Jesus wasn’t to ask YOU JLB and He wants a reply from you. A yes or No. He wants to remind YOU JLB of His words in Matthew 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one. In light of this, He wants YOU to reply in YES or NO … No tens of verses. Just YES or NO JLB. Anything else will be deemed from the EVIL ONE , so a very simple aye or nay. HOWEVER, if you choose to NOT reply, (Jesus said you will try to squirm out), He will NOT accept because it is tantamount to DISHONESTY and you will be judged accordingly on the Last day. Best would be Choose YES or NO . Don’t try to run away, because Jesus closed that door for ya. Jesus calls you a “friend of the Pharisee” and He is kind of done with that now. He wants you to know how these Pharisees tried to TRAP Him when they asked the following question. Here read what happened that day. Paul and his pharisee friends were there:

Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

They - the PHARISEES tried to Trap Christ , but because He was honest they couldn’t . Now Christ wants to use their ploy against YOU JLB.

Not because you are a Pharisee JLB BUT calling yourself Christian you have blatantly disregarded Jesus warning in Matthew 5:42-46

Read it brother what the Lord tells you:

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward have you?

Even if you considered me an enemy JLB , even though I’m a Christian like you , you should have done what Jesus is warning us to do. Be kind. But Jesus says you have flouted His commandment and now are subject to judgment and that’s why in from of this congregation the Lord wishes to trap you as the Pharisee friends of your friend Saul tried to trap Christ in Mark 12 :13-17

This is what happened:

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax[b] to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

And they were amazed at him.”

Using the ploy of the Pharisees Jesus wants to ask you a simple YES or NO for the following question

https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-of-the-law.html

"As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements. While the Law itself is perfect and holy, those who try to justify themselves before its holy Author bring not His blessing, but His curse upon themselves"

This should be an easy one for you JLB , clearly the website gotquestions.org is calling God’s eternal Law a CURSE UPON MANKIND, The Lord is cautioning you before you jump to say NO it’s NOT a curse, understand that if you say NO, the following will be the result. It would mean that CHURCHES ACROSS THE GLOBE HAVE DECEIVED BILLIONS OF PEOPLE PAST 500 YEARS INTO BELIEVING the eternal law of God is a “curse upon mankind” and thereby you will be handing Rajesh Sahu a massive victory for he is working hard to prove Paul was not from Christ , since the Source of Church’s deception comes from Paul. ( Galatians 3:13)and is based on THIS that gotquestions.org ( and thousand other Churches) says “ God’s Law is a CURSE ON MANKIND “

Jesus says you could say YES and agree with gotquestions.org that all the Law of God including the 10 commandments were a curse on mankind like gotquestions.org said backing Paul in Galatians 3:13

However Jesus warns you that if you JLB say YES and agree that they are right, you automatically become an enemy of Lord God by calling His Law a curse as 99% Churches did, relying on Paul. They also crucified His handwritten law on cross Colossians 2:14 and Abolished it completely relying on Ephesians 2:15 . All due to Paul doctrine.

So be very, very careful, cautions the Lord before you say YES JLB and agree with them, for this will make you a direct enemy of God .

Lors Jesus says that you’ll try to squirm out by NOT answering either Yes or No to Him to save yourself from this Jesus brought about predicament. But he won’t allow you that either, since if you do is he will judge you for being dishonest since you are not willing to take a stand.

Now you know the consequence of the YES , NO or NO REPLY make your choice prudently brother asks the Lord

Question again is, IS THE LAW OF GOD A CURSE as churches have TAUGHT for 500 years relying on Pauline doctrine especially Galatians 3:13



https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-of-the-law.html

"As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the Law is a curse upon all mankind,


Reminder again JLB : simple YES or NO


Think very carefully and reply to the Lord, and all others here will be your witnesses. Caution/ caveat as is your habit do NOT try to deflect the topic and steer the discussion to some other direction for it will be held as dishonesty on your part cautions the Lord. A simple YES or NO per Matthew 5:37

Now I and the Lord await your answer JLB. Be sincere and careful and reply brother. Take a stand . All this is very very serious when Churches and websites like gotquestions.org are blatantly writing God’s law is a curse on mankind. Today I read one Ben Yissachar a member here saying the Law causes SIN and DEATH , and in our debate last month there was a member I believe one member called eazyrider who called God’s law a CURSE . from that time I have been researching what all did Paul call God’s eternal law.. all until today when Christ wants an answer from YOU JLB and you alone… so please sir

YES or NO

Thank you in advance. We ( I, and the Lord) look forward to your reply. No evasion please, ONLY a YES or NO ( Matthew 5:37)
 

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Question again is, IS THE LAW OF GOD A CURSE as churches have TAUGHT for 500 years relying on Pauline doctrine especially Galatians 3:13

No, The law of God is not a curse.

Paul never said the law was a curse.

The Levites pronounced a curse on those who did not continue in the law of Moses to do all that it says to do.

Paul quoted from the law --

Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:26


Here is what Paul said about the law --


Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12


It's sad to see you in this state of mind, whereby you cant even understand the plain words being spoken.


I hope and pray the Lord delivers you from this snare you have gotten yourself into.





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Misrepresenting what I say because he either does not read my post or he can’t understand plain English.
Paul never said the law was a curse.
Stop deceiving JLB!!!
Based on the words below of Paul , in Galatians 3:13
"CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW" by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
the Churches throughout the world have taught God's Law IS A CURSE! I have been to tens and tons of Churches. They all teach that. World over. So stop spreading falsehood!
Gotquestions.org the biggest one online ALSO teaches that! STOP LYING TO THE Lord!
Do NOT evade the one word answer He seeks from you. Commit to the Lord Yes or No .
You and your Pharisee friend Saul are in more desperate trouble with the Lord NOW than you'll ever know JLB.
So, is it YES or NO ? Read Matthew 5:37 the Lord provided verse, and answer to Him. You're getting recorded brother. You know the scripture . WHY ARE you scared of a SIMPLE YES or NO? Now commit to the Lord


"As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the LAW IS A CURSE ON ALL MANKIND "
 
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Stop deceiving JLB!!!
Based on the words below of Paul , in Galatians 3:13
"CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW" by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
the Churches throughout the world have taught God's Law IS A CURSE! I have been to tens and tons of Churches. They all teach that. World over. So stop spreading falsehood!
Gotquestions.org the biggest one online ALSO teaches that! STOP LYING TO THE Lord!
Do NOT evade the one word answer He seeks from you. Commit to the Lord Yes or No .
You and your Pharisee friend Saul are in more desperate trouble with the Lord NOW than you'll ever know JLB.
So, is it YES or NO ? Read Matthew 5:37 the Lord provided verse, and answer to Him. You're getting recorded brother. You know the scripture . WHY ARE you scared of a SIMPLE YES or NO? Now commit to the Lord


"As opposed to the blessing, which is grace, the LAW IS A CURSE ON ALL MANKIND "

Are you ready to throw out the Book of Acts?

False witnesses

Acts 6:13
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man-(Paul) ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

Acts 21:23​

Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

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Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Be at charges = help pay for the animal sacrifices that are required for a Nazarite vow.

And Paul did what was asked of him.

By comparison, that makes you another false witness
 
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Are you ready to throw out the Book of Acts?

False witnesses

Acts 6:13
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man-(Paul) ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

Acts 21:23​

Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

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Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Be at charges = pay for the animal sacrifices that are required for a Nazarite vow.

And Paul did what was asked of him.

By comparison, that makes you another false witness
Anyone can call anyone a false witness. That doesn't mean anything.
 

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Stop deceiving JLB!!!
Based on the words below of Paul , in Galatians 3:13
"CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW" by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Please read what Paul actually said…

Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12



The law of God is not a curse.

Paul never said the law was a curse.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
Galatians 3:10

The curse came from the law, upon those who didn’t continue to do all that the law required.

Do you sacrifice animals for your sin?


The Levites pronounced a curse on those who did not continue in the law of Moses to do all that it says to do.

Paul quoted from the law --

Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:26


Here is what Paul said about the law --


Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:12






JLB
 

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I answered you question several times.




Post #28



Post #32




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Jesus was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about you JLB. You are a dishonest man sir who does not have the guts or the gumption or the commitment to reply a simple Yes or No. You are just full of yourself. You come and start spraying hundreds of verses, without ever trying to be specific. Jesus is saying the " Friend of the Pharisee " ( you ) is a dishonest man.
It's now between YOU and Christ. Learn ABC of Christianity from your boss here Stove Bolts. I and Stove debated last month on GRACE, a word Jesus never ever uttered in His ministry. The debate was not easy
But guess what JLB, Stove showed a lot of GRACE and courtesy and dignity, while debating with me. He is the true Christian who is blessed as Jesus defined in His opening words on Sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5. Get some training and tuitions of kindness, courtesy, and compassion from Stove. Do not become brutal and savage in trying to win your points "at any cost"
In my last posts I have spotlighted the teachings of Jesus, His words on the vital importance of practicing Loving kindness. ❤ Unfortunately JLB I see none of that in you sir. Your methods of dealing with ones with different views is nothing but RUDE and BRUTAL. You would do better on websites which glorify Satan than moderating on websites like CF which are devoted to Christianity , sincerely and completely . All praise to them, since this is likely my swan song, I would request Stove snd the staff to seriously consider moderating this moderator , JLB ( not relieve him of his job - everyone can learn and become better ) and teaching him your polite and courteous and gracious ways Stove, lest he subject others like me with contra views to his rage and wrath. If you have watched our conversation, when Christ asked a simple question with a yes or no answer, as many state tests ask in their question paper , JLB just sprays hundreds of verses , proving he is a deceiver rather than a moderator. An intemperate wrathful moderator who desperately needs coaching in his conduct as a moderator and learn the ABC on how to be a Christian--- kind and gentle. Kingdom of heaven belongs to the MEEK warned the Lord, not to one's like these.
Spoke my heart out guys. I will not be posting or participating here until this rude belligerent and dishonest man looms around here. Since I will not like anyone to lose their job / title because of me, I will take the bow, and stop posting completely despite the truth I have loved the site and all it stands for . God bless everyone with wisdom and compassion 🙏
 

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Jesus was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about you JLB. You are a dishonest man sir who does not have the guts or the gumption or the commitment to reply a simple Yes or No.


No, The law of God is not a curse. Post #28


The law of God is not a curse. Post #32


Please refrain from your derogatory slurs against me.


I answered you multiple times with a no, the law of God is not a curse.


In addition, Paul never said the law of God was a curse. Paul quoted from the law in his New Testament writings.

I gave you examples, in my posts, which you blatantly ignored.




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I answered you multiple times with a no, the law of God is not a curse.
So Gotquestions.org and thousands of Churches have deceived because they( not you) proudly teach Law of God is a Curse on mankind! And that it's gone dead and buried. Defunct and Obsolete. And that we are under Grace, a word of course Jesus never ever even uttered let alone teach.
You know what JLB my 5 year effort now bears fruit . I'm blessed and delighted o have WON!!!!!! The cat is out of the bag. Churches around the world have deceived billions. AND I KNOW why they taught that deception. Because they got deceived themselves. And I know the source of their deception. But i will not go into that JLB. I will just rejoice in this for the time being.
Thank you for helping me , although I suspect you're not one bit glad you did bro 😁🤗
 

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Jesus was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about you JLB. You are a dishonest man sir who does not have the guts or the gumption or the commitment to reply a simple Yes or No.
It saddens me to hear such ugly language. I’m afraid your drunk on zeal and not thinking rationally. He answered your reply with a No in post 38.

No, The law of God is not a curse.
t's now between YOU and Christ. Learn ABC of Christianity from your boss here Stove Bolts. I and Stove debated last month on GRACE, a word Jesus never ever uttered in His ministry. The debate was not easy
I dropped out of the debate because I had said what I needed to say. I could tell that your heart is hardened and you have no interest in any view other than your own.

I learned years ago that when folk like yourself come to an online community with a set agenda, the only thing we teach you is how to sharpen your argument. This in turn only strengthens your agenda and gives you more sway with younger Christians who are not mature in the word.

You say I am kind. Sometimes it takes effort, but I do try. I wish you could try a little harder too.

The problem with the Pharisis is when Jesus tried to teach them, they claimed to see already. Jesus did not rigorously debate them.

John 9:41
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Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

and teaching him your polite and courteous and gracious ways Stove, lest he subject others like me with contra views to his rage and wrath.
Thank you. We all have a choice in what we say and how we say it. I understand you put very little weight on Paul’s teaching, but back in 2005 I caught onto these verses, and they sunk in.

Galatians 5 NIV

Life by the Spirit​

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free.(V) But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a];(W)rather, serve one another(X) humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b](Y) 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit,(Z) and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.(AA) 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.(AB) They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want.(AC) 18 But if you are led by the Spirit,(AD) you are not under the law.(AE)

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality,(AF) impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.(AG) I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.(AH)

22 But the fruit(AI) of the Spirit is love,(AJ) joy, peace,(AK) forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control.(AL)Against such things there is no law.(AM)24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh(AN) with its passions and desires.(AO) 25 Since we live by the Spirit,(AP) let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited,(AQ) provoking and envying each other.

Jesus said we will know a tree by its fruit.

We have a choice. We can live in our flesh, or we can walk in the spirit. According to Paul, we can know if we are in sin, or in freedom by the fruits we produce.

While I don’t always hit the mark, I try. We all need to try a bit harder and not let ugliness come out of our mouths when we disagree.

My desire for you brother, s not to convince you that Paul is a legitimate apostle. Rather, My desire is that we treat one another with respect and we each learn to extend grace to one another.
 

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Et tu Stove? 😔
Good morning Rajesh.
By “You Too”, do you mean to say that you are disappointed I do not agree with your overall view of Paul? If so, then yes, me too.

I do not know why that would sadden you. I do not force my convictions on you, are you saddened because you cannot force your convictions on me?

While I disagree with your ideology and your interpretation of many of Paul’s words, I consider you nothing less in Christ than a Brother and fighting about our differences only causes strife, as exhibited not only in this thread, but every thread that you oppose Paul.

Personally, I disagree heavily with Calvinism. You will be hard pressed to see me in one of those discussions, yet I created a forum specifically for Calvinism and placed a Calvinist over it. If I recall, you and JLB have much in common in this area and have tagged up on multiple occasions to oppose their views. In the matter of how one lives their life for God, you two have much in common. More so than you have differences. Why destroy the relationship you two were building over your pet doctrine? Don’t throw that away.

Why did I create a Calvinism forum and set a Calvinist over it? Because although I disagree with their theology, I believe those discussions need to take place, just like yours needs to take place.

What I ask, is that everyone remain respectful and dignified. When we argue and fight and tear one another to pieces, what does that show the world? It shows the world we are no different, and often worse than the world. This brings no glory to God.

Honestly, it’s an embarrassment.
 
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