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Is The Trinity A Lie ?

Lewis

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The don't bite his tongue Pastor Gino Jennings answers questions about the lie of angels having sex with women in Genesis 6. He talks about the Trinity, he also talks about Genesis 1:26 the plural word Our. He also talks about Easter & Christmas he also talks about the image of Jesus that people has on the walls in their houses, and much much more.
 
Galatians 3:24: “Therefore the Torah has become our tutor to lead us to Messiah, that we may be justified by faith.”

the fellow you mention, I don't know and won't go read what he says. there'd be no purpose to at this time, Yhwh be Pleased.
but you brought up a lot , opened up a proverbial 'can of worms', potentially, and there's only one way to go straight to the Truth, to learn the Truth, and to not be deceived. As it is written, no man can receive anything unless it is granted to him from above. i.e. if Yhwh doesn't allow, permit, and reveal the truth and open (even the disciples) the mind to see it, it is not seen nor grasped nor understood. 'Learning' from sunday school teachers, pastors, priests, scholars, Paul, Apollos, (apostles), or even from angels, if and when it is not as it is written and once for all delivered,
then it is not true. Test everything. Yhwh always delivers the Truth to His Children. But conversely, "all men are liars". That 'looks' like it is taken out of context, but it is surprisingly accurate. Everything, everyone must always be tested with much prayer and checking Scripture, asking Yhwh for His Word - in line with all that is written, not just part, and never contradictory to Himself.

One thing I do not comprehend here, in my life, at this point in time, is how anyone is able to learn the truth, let alone more than one at a time. The reason I don't comprehend it, is that everyone, practically speaking, holds on to some part of what they learned in the past, often for "good reason", yet that is exactly what prevents them from learning more. Just now, it occurred to me , perhaps this is Yhwh's Way, not to prevent anyone from learning the truth, but to reveal as He is Pleased to Reveal it, all in His Time.(and He knows Perfectly what is best for each person).

As I just posted in another thread, the same applies >>

Luke 10:21 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter
21 At that moment he was filled with joy by the Ruach HaKodesh and said, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I thank you because you concealed these things from the sophisticated and educated, yet revealed them to ordinary people. Yes, Father, I thank you that it pleased you to do this.

Luke 10:21 (AMP) | In Context | Whole Chapter
21 In that same hour He rejoiced and gloried in the Holy Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have concealed these things [relating to salvation] from the wise and understanding and learned, and revealed them to babes (the childish, unskilled, and untaught). Yes, Father, for such was Your gracious will and choice and good pleasure.
 
What pastor Jennings does is back up everything with Scripture right in front of your face. And he takes questions. He invited Muslim leaders to his church here in Philadelphia and they came, and he put them in there place. That video is on youtube also. When you back up what you say with Scripture there is nothing anybody can say.
 
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I even invited
That was a typo it should have read he. Where is the edit button in this forum ?
 
I understand that I won't be allowed to post what I believe to be an honest reply to the discussion question, 'Is the Trinity a Lie?'. But what I don't understand is why have the moderators even allowed such a discussion question? It obviously asks for discussion pro and con, but as I understand it that is not actually allowed.

Or has something changed?
 
I understand that I won't be allowed to post what I believe to be an honest reply to the discussion question, 'Is the Trinity a Lie?'. But what I don't understand is why have the moderators even allowed such a discussion question? It obviously asks for discussion pro and con, but as I understand it that is not actually allowed.

Or has something changed?
This is how you learn, plain and simple, you should have been here 9 years ago, it was really, really rough around here, this is light compared to back then.
 
the part where I would disagree is the Hebrew name elohim which cant be plural but for emphasis. why?

and the Lord said unto my Lord sit though here unto thine enemies..
the word used there is Elohim.
 
the part where I would disagree is the Hebrew name elohim which cant be plural but for emphasis. why?

and the Lord said unto my Lord sit though here unto thine enemies..
the word used there is Elohim.
The Hebrew word elohim can mean 'gods' (numerical plural) or "God" (plural of majesty). It can even be used for a single pagan god at times.

As for Ps. 110:1 it says 'YHWH (not elohim) said to adonai (not elohim)...' YHWH may be transliterated as 'Yahweh,' 'Jehovah,' or, possibly more accurately, 'Yehowah.' This is the only personal name of God and, if translated would be something like 'He Will Be.'
 
The Hebrew word elohim can mean 'gods' (numerical plural) or "God" (plural of majesty). It can even be used for a single pagan god at times.

As for Ps. 110:1 it says 'YHWH (not elohim) said to adonai (not elohim)...' YHWH may be transliterated as 'Yahweh,' 'Jehovah,' or, possibly more accurately, 'Yehowah.' This is the only personal name of God and, if translated would be something like 'He Will Be.'
source of the Hebrew?

the mecon mamre uses a lower case for that. adonai in that context cant be lower case. what is jesus to you? an angel or god. if he received worship then what is the lord in that version?

and adam Clarke says it this way. I take him on Hebrew. YHWH to YHWH.

Said unto my Lord. Instead of לאדני (ladoni), “my Lord,” one MS. seems to have read ליהוה (layhovah), “Jehovah said unto Jehovah, ‹Sit thou on my right hand,‘” etc. See De Rossi.

david was a king. so whom was lord over him ?
 
YHWH and the Christ. Matt. 22:41-45 and Acts 2:32-36.
uhm ok that is a trinity postion but what is Christ to you? was he a created being. if so how then does YHWH share glory with him and how can Christ also be seen in visions in the tanach and revalation?
jesus also said no man hath seen the father. what was moses and the prophets seeing in visions? YHWH or the moshiac.
 
They were seeing YHVH Himself who became Moschiach...people often make the mistake of thinking that the God off the Old Testament which was seen and heard WAS/IS the Father...thats a mistake...for example in Isaiah 48

YHVH is speaking...He is the first and last, the one who spread out the heavens, who knows the end from bereshith and then in verse 16 and 17 declares..."Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go."

YHVH is sent and YHVH sends...the pre-Hebrew tradition culminated in the Targums defines this YHVH (who is sent) as "the Word of YHVH)...the Memra (John 1:1 the Logos in the Greek)...so we have only one YHVH but here is YHVH who sends, YHVH who is sent, and His Spirit...same in Zechariah 2 and other places...

Take Exodus 3...the being speaking to Moses is called "the Angel of the Lord" but identifies Himself as the I AM, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob...He is seen and heard...but no one has seen the Father or ever heard His voice (unless Jesus lied)...the Son declares Him (that is makes Him manifest to us)...remember Micah 5:2,3 tells us His comings forth have been from everlasting...
 
They were seeing YHVH Himself who became Moschiach...people often make the mistake of thinking that the God off the Old Testament which was seen and heard WAS/IS the Father...thats a mistake...for example in Isaiah 48

YHVH is speaking...He is the first and last, the one who spread out the heavens, who knows the end from bereshith and then in verse 16 and 17 declares..."Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go."

YHVH is sent and YHVH sends...the pre-Hebrew tradition culminated in the Targums defines this YHVH (who is sent) as "the Word of YHVH)...the Memra (John 1:1 the Logos in the Greek)...so we have only one YHVH but here is YHVH who sends, YHVH who is sent, and His Spirit...same in Zechariah 2 and other places...

Take Exodus 3...the being speaking to Moses is called "the Angel of the Lord" but identifies Himself as the I AM, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob...He is seen and heard...but no one has seen the Father or ever heard His voice (unless Jesus lied)...the Son declares Him (that is makes Him manifest to us)...remember Micah 5:2,3 tells us His comings forth have been from everlasting...
I know that but the non-trinatarian has to reconcile that. as a former non-Trinitarian the YHWH is the father and Christ is a creating being.
 
The OP person (who claims to be an Apostle) is a modalist...the Word/Son is NOT a created being but is the creator....as the incarnate Messiah the body may be seen as created but the person was God (not a god)....do you agree?
 
uhm ok that is a trinity postiion ...

that's not the way the believing or orthodox Jews see it. but it takes the grace of ABBA to see, for the Jew first, and also for the gentile. (i.e. i don't have any argument nor rhetoric nor anything to present for anyone until after they seek ABBA so completely that they relinquish everything to Him.)
 
that's not the way the believing or orthodox Jews see it. but it takes the grace of ABBA to see, for the Jew first, and also for the gentile. (i.e. i don't have any argument nor rhetoric nor anything to present for anyone until after they seek ABBA so completely that they relinquish everything to Him.)
the bible has words right. if elohim is plural all times then jesus himself would be called Hebrew, Yeshua , Elohim. whicg would be rendered jesus, GODS. that cant be. the shemah being the echad says what?hear oh isreal our Lord god is one. the word used is elohim not YHWH . given that the Hebrews left a polytheistic nation to serve god,it makes sense to see that way. moses likely didn't see god as a trinity for how could he. there isn't much on the holy spirit nor the the diety of the moschiac being talked about. as god went on to have other write, then it becomes clear by isiah that the moshiac would be GOD.

even then that doesn't say the He was a trinity but the other verses where it says I am thy Lord god, besides me there is none other and also statements by jesus would be taken with that. we have the full revalation of god the prophets didn't. that is why I say what I say.
 
yes, i might have thought so, but that doesn't change that the Jews(believers immersed in Yeshua and also orthodox) , do not see it that way.
 
the bible has words right. if elohim is plural all times then jesus himself would be called Hebrew, Yeshua , Elohim. whicg would be rendered jesus, GODS. that cant be. the shemah being the echad says what?hear oh isreal our Lord god is one. the word used is elohim not YHWH . given that the Hebrews left a polytheistic nation to serve god,it makes sense to see that way. moses likely didn't see god as a trinity for how could he. there isn't much on the holy spirit nor the the diety of the moschiac being talked about. as god went on to have other write, then it becomes clear by isiah that the moshiac would be GOD.

even then that doesn't say the He was a trinity but the other verses where it says I am thy Lord god, besides me there is none other and also statements by jesus would be taken with that. we have the full revalation of god the prophets didn't. that is why I say what I say.

Correction...in the shema'Yitsrael the singular Eloheinu is used along with YHVH (changed to Adonai by the Masoretes in 900 A.D.)...so it transliterates Yisrael, YHVH Eloheinu, ha'YHVH echad...

Is not echad more of a unity of pluralities as opposed to yachid (numerically one)?
 
I did not watch that video Lewis. I don't have too. The truth is plain in scripture.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one./(KJV)

Any other questions? :)
 
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