Is The Trinity A Lie ?

[Stan1953]

the Scripture that all the disciples of Yeshua had, was in Hebrew first, and perhaps Aramaic, and all with Hebrew thinking and phrases and acknowledgements of Yhwh and His Ways.
many Jews who believe in Yeshua today, and perhaps centuries past(I don't know yet) believe the N.T. also was first written, obviously to them, in Hebrew, or at the very very least from the Hebraic mindset --- with an understanding that the translations from the greek and latin did not carry over the original meaning in many ways.
there are some good home-school et al educational sites that go into much detail about the original Hebrew meanings , even carried over in the greek translations. and they all point out how damaging the greek way of thought and life was to the intent of Scripture and to the believers seeking the original meanings of Yeshua and His disciples.
as time and space permits, I'll try to locate some of those sites for your enjoyment , if you wish. Yhwh Willing.

Actually this is a common misconception. The language of the day was Greek. Even the Jews put their Torah into Greek in 360 BC. It's called the LXX. The scribes of the day wrote in Greek, not Hebrew.
From Wiki:

The mainstream consensus is that the New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean from the Conquests of Alexander the Great until the evolution of Byzantine Greek.​

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I checked briefly* with some of Yeshua's disciples, (for future thread, not near ready yet), and it seems that more and more (people , reportedly) are sure the whole of Scripture, Old and New Testaments, was written in Hebrew first.
This is not palatable to a lot of the religious authorities and worldly scholars(of course) in high places, so it meets with a lot of resistance (and has been covered up for many centuries).
The sites that show the damage caused by greek thinking also agree that Hebrew was and is the preferred language - and of course it is the language in Israel today, and will be for the whole earth when Yeshua returns.
i.e. the differences have been widespread for some time. and will continue until Yeshua returns, with the gulf ever widening between the two.

* re briefly. i.e. tonight. I already had a long repertoire(several decades) with Hebrew/Jewish/and other sources that likewise have good evidence of this. and least they/we/i think so, and none of the 'mainstream' has had anything sufficient to show just cause to think otherwise.

 

[turnorburn]

There's nothing wrong with the rendering of I John 5:7 unless your trying to revive that NIV thread..

I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

tob

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

who said something is wrong with 1 john 5:7 ?
who is trying to revive the NIV thread ? what does the NIV thread have to do with anything here ?

 

[Free]

There's nothing wrong with the rendering of I John 5:7 unless your trying to revive that NIV thread..

I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

tob

The KJV was most likely changed later on and is false.

 

[Free]

I checked briefly* with some of Yeshua's disciples, (for future thread, not near ready yet), and it seems that more and more (people , reportedly) are sure the whole of Scripture, Old and New Testaments, was written in Hebrew first.
This is not palatable to a lot of the religious authorities and worldly scholars(of course) in high places, so it meets with a lot of resistance (and has been covered up for many centuries).
The sites that show the damage caused by greek thinking also agree that Hebrew was and is the preferred language - and of course it is the language in Israel today, and will be for the whole earth when Yeshua returns.
i.e. the differences have been widespread for some time. and will continue until Yeshua returns, with the gulf ever widening between the two.

* re briefly. i.e. tonight. I already had a long repertoire(several decades) with Hebrew/Jewish/and other sources that likewise have good evidence of this. and least they/we/i think so, and none of the 'mainstream' has had anything sufficient to show just cause to think otherwise.

I find that to be racist with no reason to believe any of that to be true.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

That's okay. It will be more clear later. (i.e. no, it's not racist at all, not even a hint of prejudice, to be honest. the truth has a wonderful way of clearing things up. . )

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

here's a short list from quik search on the web : simply hebrew vs greek thought ... ..
H HEBREW EBREW T THOUGHT HOUGHT C COMPARED OMPARED W WITH ITH ...
HEBREW THOUGHT COMPARED WITH GREEK THOUGHT – A KEY TO UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURES PAGE 2 to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children ...www.hoshanarabbah.org/pdfs/heb_grk.pdf
Hebrew Thought and How It Differs From Greek (Western) Thought
Hebrew Thought. I n the world, past and present, there are two major types of cultures; the Hebrew (or eastern) culture and the Greek (or western) culture.www.shamar.org/articles/hebrew-thought.php
About the Ancient Hebrew Culture
As 20th Century Americans with a strong Greek thought influence, we read the Hebrew Bible as if a 20th Century American had written it.www.ancient-hebrew.org/12_thought.html
Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek: Thorleif Boman ...
Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek [Thorleif Boman] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Builds on the premise that language and thought are ...www.amazon.com/Hebrew-Thought-Compared-Greek-Thorleif/dp/...
On The Difference Between Greek Thought and Hebrew Thought ...
What is the difference between Greek thought and Hebrew thought? It would be most picturesque to picture a scene. In one scene you are watching a group of ...edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/on-the...
Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek - Thorleif Boman - Google ...
Review: Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek User Review - Joel - Goodreads. After drawing interesting conclusions regarding the differences between Hebrew and Greek ...books.google.com/books/about/Hebrew_thought...Greek.html...
The Hebrew Mind vs The Western Mind - GodWard
Sources: Irrational Man, by William Barrett; Christianity With Power by Charles Kraft; Hebrew Thought Compared With Greek by Thorleif Boman; Judaism and Christianity ...www.godward.org/hebrew%20roots/hebrew_mind_vs__the...
GLEANINGS IN HEBREW: Ancient Hebrew Thought
As 21st Century Americans with a strong Greek thought influence, we read the Hebrew Bible as if a 21st Century American had written it.gleaningsinhebrew.blogspot.com/2010/...hebrew-thought.html

and hebrew vs greek thought sampson
Greek vs Hebrew Thought : Homeschool Blog
Greek philosophy between Aristotle and Augustine is the foundation of Western thought (Aristotle tried to merge the Bible and Plato = Hellenistic Philosophy).heartofwisdom.com/blog/...understand-greek-vs-hebrew-thought

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

for example from the last link: one of many
comparisons : ancient greek education vs ancient hebrew educatioin .
............goals: train to serve the state... vs train to serve God.

 

[Stan1953]

Excerpt from Studylight.org:

the Greek of the New Testament was written by men whose native language was Aramaic, a Semitic language. They wrote the New Testament material in Greek, an Indo-European language. There are significant structural differences between Semitic and Indo-European languages, specifically between Aramaic (and Hebrew) and Greek. One significant difference is that the usual word order in Aramaic sentences is verb-subject-object. In Greek, the word order is usually subject-verb-object, as it is in English. In addition, word order is more significant in Aramaic than it is in Greek. In Greek, nouns (and adjectives) have case endings: nominative, genitive, dative, and accusative. The nominative case is the "subject" case. The accusative is the "direct object" case. The dative is the "indirect object" case. The genitive is the "possessive" case. (For any grammarians among my readers, I apologize for the preceding gross over-simplification, but this is not a grammar column.) Thus in Greek the function of a word in a sentence is indicated by its case ending. As a result, word order is less significant than in Aramaic or English. For example, in Greek the sentence "the boy entered the building" could be stated by putting "the building" before "entered" and "the boy" after "entered." The case endings on "boy" and "building" would indicate which was the subject and which was the object. English is dependent on word order, as is Aramaic to a lesser extent.​

There is actually more support for the NT being originally written in Aramaic than there is for Hebrew, but the bottom line is the original language is accepted by the vast majority of scholar as being Greek.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

that's good to know. thank you.

 

[reba]

Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[Deborah13]

that's good to know. thank you.

imo
I think the confusion comes when people don't realize that many of the Jews did not live in Israel or where Hebrew was the dominate language. These Jews were Hellenized Jews.
On Pentecost for instances they can to Jerusalem from other locations. Greek was the dominate language in many of these locations as well as other languages and dialects. Remember Jews heard the Apostles and others speaking in their own languages on Pentecost.

We also have to remember that the Gentiles were being evangelized who spoke and read Greek.
There would have been more people who were able to read Greek then those who could read Hebrew.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

maybe. if you have time(about 2 minutes total) to look, look here >
Greek vs Hebrew Thought : Homeschool Blog

 

[jasonc]

maybe. if you have time(about 2 minutes total) to look, look here >
Greek vs Hebrew Thought : Homeschool Blog

since I despise the greek culture. I know the reasons but the fact is greek was the language in rome, and the world. god used it only the tanach was in Hebrew and then that was when the jews went to the Masoretic text. the bible has been translated from greek new testament and Hebrew ot. I prefer Hebrew myself, but if im going to debate words in the nt. greek must be discussed.

 

[reba]

On Pentecost for instances they can to Jerusalem from other locations. Greek was the dominate language in many of these locations as well as other languages and dialects. Remember Jews heard the Apostles and others speaking in their own languages on Pentecost.

 

[Deborah13]

maybe. if you have time(about 2 minutes total) to look, look here >
Greek vs Hebrew Thought : Homeschool Blog

Christians schools are always better for our children to attended.
When I home schooled Lexy we used the A Beka program from the Pensacola Christian College in Florida. It's a wonderful program. They bring God's word into every subject, especially science, history, and literature.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

well, in theory at least. and, yes, 'probably'/usually in practice also. some who attended 'christian' schools said that that almost destroyed their faith. (and gave the biblical reasons why- the schools were teaching some very non-biblical things).
(like adam and eve were fairy tails, and the rest of the Bible was mostly too, only stories made up).
that link Greek vs Hebrew Thought : Homeschool Blog
informs parents and students of the root of some of the problems(lack of faithfulness?/integrity?) in western society,
in just a minute or two. (it is just one web page I think. nothing intrusive or time consuming.)(I used to follow the heartofwisdom site, and it still has(or did have) very useful and wonderful information on it from Scriptural sources instead of in line with society the world and so-called 'scholars'(duh) ..... ...

((oops! (sorry) ---- getting sidetracked from the op... if able to transfer to new thread that's great. or will start one.....

 

[Stan1953]

Christians schools are always better for our children to attended.
When I home schooled Lexy we used the A Beka program from the Pensacola Christian College in Florida. It's a wonderful program. They bring God's word into every subject, especially science, history, and literature.

So as not to derail this thread I've started a new one about this topic HERE.