Ritajanice
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We have been forgiven of all so, past, present, future.
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What does "Because His seed remains in him" mean?
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D-D-W
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Just because we have been forgiven does not mean we do not/ cannot sin.
If that were so then John did not know what he was talking about:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Remember John was writing to Born again BELIEVERS, not unregenerate pagans.
If that were so then John did not know what he was talking about:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Remember John was writing to Born again BELIEVERS, not unregenerate pagans.
Ritajanice
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There is no mention that was spoken to Born Again, that scripture you post, that’s your interpretation of said scripture, same as mine is.
We have been Born Of God, His seed remains in us, are you able to explain what that means?
Otherwise you aren’t really in a position to say that a Born Again sins, note I said “ Born Again”.
We have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
John says.
1 John 3
King James Version
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
D-D-W
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Tell me what your definition of "sin" is.
If it is impossible to do something, should we not know exactly what that something is? And PLEASE, to not try to tell us this is you ONLY definition of sin:
1 John 3:4 kjv
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
If it is impossible to do something, should we not know exactly what that something is? And PLEASE, to not try to tell us this is you ONLY definition of sin:
1 John 3:4 kjv
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Ritajanice
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No one is saying we aren’t without sin, we still live in this body of sin.
We have been set free from sin the moment God brought us to repentance and forgave our sin, then gave birth to our spirit, Born Again of imperishable seed..that seed remains us where?
We have been set free from sin the moment God brought us to repentance and forgave our sin, then gave birth to our spirit, Born Again of imperishable seed..that seed remains us where?
D-D-W
2024 Supporter
That is EXACTLY what you were saying by this:
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And again - what is your definition of "sin?"
Ritajanice
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I asked you a question, about what it means that Gods seed remains in us?
Can you answer the question?
If you can’t, then you aren’t understanding what it means, that a Born Again can’t sin because God’s seed remains in them?
Ritajanice
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Please answer my question.
What does it mean, that Gods seed remains in us, that’s why we can no longer sin?.thank you.
Ritajanice
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Ritajanice
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Sorry, we are Born Again of imperishable seed, by whose witness are we Born Again of imperishable seed?
Who is the imperishable seed?
Would you say that reading your Bible is Gods Witness. Or is there another witness, ?
I ask you again D-D-W ..what in you, has been Born Of The Spirit? and by whose witness?
There are far too many post about the false teaching that Christians do not sin.
I thing the first is to establish what is sin?
Then to determine whether one does that?
For me I belief the bible teaches that who ever does not Love God with All their mind, body and soul and who does not Love their neighbour as they Love themselves is guilty of sinning.
By this standard We All repeatedly sin.
I thing the first is to establish what is sin?
Then to determine whether one does that?
For me I belief the bible teaches that who ever does not Love God with All their mind, body and soul and who does not Love their neighbour as they Love themselves is guilty of sinning.
By this standard We All repeatedly sin.
Ritajanice
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If you don’t know 100% what you have been Born Again
What penetrates our spirit ,when it’s Born of imperishable seed?
How does one know Of God?
How do you know that God is who he says he is and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected, just by reading you Bible?
Who gives birth to our spirit?
Disagree ,you aren’t explaining what it means to be Born Of imperishable seed, we either are or we aren’t.
What penetrates our spirit ,when it’s Born of imperishable seed?
How does one know Of God?
How do you know that God is who he says he is and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected, just by reading you Bible?
Who gives birth to our spirit?
Ritajanice
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Thanks for your opinion.
Maybe you can explain what it means that Gods seed remains in us, remains where?
What in us has been Born Again? thank you.
Ritajanice
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Be back later, bye for now.
D-D-W
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In the OT the word translated sin is chata. חָטָא
In the NT the word translated sin is hamartia. ἁμαρτία
If you look them up, they are both archery terms meaning to aim at a target but miss the bullseye, or the mark.
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23
Can you honestly tell me that it is impossible for a born again child of God to not sin when it means trying to obey but falling short?
In the NT the word translated sin is hamartia. ἁμαρτία
If you look them up, they are both archery terms meaning to aim at a target but miss the bullseye, or the mark.
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23
Can you honestly tell me that it is impossible for a born again child of God to not sin when it means trying to obey but falling short?
Ritajanice
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A Born Again cannot sin because they have been Born of God His seed remains in them..in not telling you, God is..still no answer to a few of my questions.
How can I understand where you are coming from, if you don’t answer my questions.
Sin.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Being born again is different from how we live.
We are born again when the Spirit prompts us about our sin, about Jesus's salvation offer and we respond accepting the gift of faith, salvation etc etc.
Gods seed as far as I know is that gift of faith that lead to our salvation, that motivates us to live for God, challenges us about our thoughts, words and actions.
Ritajanice
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How do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?