Ritajanice
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Thank you for sharing thisHello for_his_glory ..my spirit is Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit..I can only go by Gods word.
The Holy Spirit is the messenger, he is Alive and Active in our heart/spirit...only he can deliver the word of God, no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit, he witnessed the truth of Jesus death and resurrection to my heart, when he birthed my spirit...we know of Jesus in our heart/ spirit, that is where we grow and mature, in our heart/spirit...imo.
Thank you also for sharing, we learn a lot about the Lord through each other, I believe he talks to us at times through each other.Thank you for sharing this
This seems like a different topic than the OP.We have been forgiven of all so, past, present, future.
John is writing to believers, but he is writing about believers AND unbelievers.Just because we have been forgiven does not mean we do not/ cannot sin.
If that were so then John did not know what he was talking about:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Remember John was writing to Born again BELIEVERS, not unregenerate pagans.
If you were reborn of God's seed, why would any of Adam's seed remain in-on you ? (2 Cor 5:17)No one is saying we aren’t without sin, we still live in this body of sin.
Care to rephrase that ?We have been set free from sin the moment God brought us to repentance and forgave our sin, then gave birth to our spirit, Born Again of imperishable seed..that seed remains us where?
Hopeful, what is YOUR definition of sin?John is writing to believers, but he is writing about believers AND unbelievers.
Believers don't walk in darkness-sin.
Unbelievers don't walk in the light-God.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 apply to believers, who are, or are about to, walk in the light-God.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 apply to those who walk in darkness-sin.
It is the unbelievers/those walking in darkness-sin, who cannot say they have no sin, or that they have fellowship with God, or that they know God.
Believers can say they have fellowship with God, and that they have no sin. and that they know God.
Like John did, I use 1 John 5:17..."All unrighteousness is sin"...)That is EXACTLY what you were saying by this:
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And again - what is your definition of "sin?"
All of "us" is made new.No point carrying on our discussion D-D-W , if you can’t explain what it means.
What in us has been Born Again?
I have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which means what?If you were reborn of God's seed, why would any of Adam's seed remain in-on you ? (2 Cor 5:17)
My body of sin was destroyed at my baptism into Christ and into His death ! (Rom 6:3-6)
No,Care to rephrase that ?
We have been birthed in the Spirit, which means what?All of "us" is made new.
2 Cor 5:17..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
What does "witness" have to do with this topic ?Sorry, we are Born Again of imperishable seed, by whose witness are we Born Again of imperishable seed?
Who is the imperishable seed?
Would you say that reading your Bible is Gods Witness. Or is there another witness, ?
I ask you again D-D-W ..what in you, has been Born Of The Spirit? and by whose witness?
Which means what?All of "us" is made new.
A lot..by whose witness do we need to know that our sins have been forgiven?What does "witness" have to do with this topic ?
That statement means that nobody serves God anymore.There are far too many post about the false teaching that Christians do not sin.
I thing the first is to establish what is sin?
Then to determine whether one does that?
For me I belief the bible teaches that who ever does not Love God with All their mind, body and soul and who does not Love their neighbour as they Love themselves is guilty of sinning.
By this standard We All repeatedly sin.
You do realize that is only one of several biblical definitions, right?Like John did, I use 1 John 5:17..."All unrighteousness is sin"...)
If all have actually fallen, then Jesus also fell.In the OT the word translated sin is chata. חָטָא
In the NT the word translated sin is hamartia. ἁμαρτία
If you look them up, they are both archery terms meaning to aim at a target but miss the bullseye, or the mark.
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23
Can you honestly tell me that it is impossible for a born again child of God to not sin when it means trying to obey but falling short?
Yes.In the OT the word translated sin is chata. חָטָא
In the NT the word translated sin is hamartia. ἁμαρτία
If you look them up, they are both archery terms meaning to aim at a target but miss the bullseye, or the mark.
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23
Can you honestly tell me that it is impossible for a born again child of God to not sin when it means trying to obey but falling short?
Then why be born again ?Being born again is different from how we live.
Using your reasoning then, aren't the sinners not born of God ?We are born again when the Spirit prompts us about our sin, about Jesus's salvation offer and we respond accepting the gift of faith, salvation etc etc.
Gods seed as far as I know is that gift of faith that lead to our salvation, that motivates us to live for God, challenges us about our thoughts, words and actions.
Our Lord was the one and only exception:If all have actually fallen, then Jesus also fell..
True, in part. I take it much wider than that.The verses Paul uses in Rom 3 were intended to show the Jews that even with the Law, they were no better off than the Gentiles.
Then almost every christian alive today is lost and going to hell. None are free from having faith (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word [rhema = spoken word] of God)Those now in Christ don't sin.