Is there Marriage & Sex in Heaven and the New Earth?

[Agape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0gZMFD34Vc

Missler supports a version of the ancient astronaut hypothesis, saying that modern-day UFO sightings may be connected to the return of the Biblical Nephilim. :o
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Missler

 

[Agape]

And?

Yes he does. You say that like it's too farout for you to consider. I like Chuck Missler myself. I've been listening to him for years, even before he began teaching on this subject. He is well educated, well spoken, and makes sense to me. He backs everything he says with scripture and sure does have the ring of truth in his words, to me at least. I don't believe any old thing that anyone says, but I find myself agreeing with him.

You're darn right this is some far reaching interpretation and makes one sit back and question very much so everything they have ever learned. We do know that we have been lied to our whole lives, and we do know that Scripture says that knowledge will be increased in the last days. Knowing that, we need to approach new conjectures with open mind and open heart, while praying for illumination, wisdom & understanding from Gods Holy Spirit. I am certainly not saying that anyone should believe me or Chuck Missler. Do your own homework and prayer and decide for yourself what you will believe. The man does back his conjectures up with scripture so there is very much to consider here.

In the whats the point of the Flood thread, no one could hardly agree or give interpretation of the Genesis 6 chapter which much of this is based on. That the blood lines of man were being attacked in this manner to corrupt the blood lines and foil Jesus's coming is a feasible conjecture, and if true, could explain very much about the why. It certainly deserves a closer look and study, being no less absurd than other conjectures in that thread, such as the flood was purely a fictional story. I didn't subscribe to it overnight. I gave it very much consideration with open mind and open heart. Others should do the same.

Edward, thanks for your concerns, but I do not subscribe to that interpretation. Nor do I intend to watch that video. You know Missler and trust him, good for you.

 

[YosefHayim]

When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Mark 12:25

He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:4

Doesn't the bible speak of angels mating with humans?

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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Genesis 6:1-4

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For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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2 Peter 2:4

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Do our spirits differ from what the angels are?

 

[iLOVE]

Doesn't the bible speak of angels mating with humans?

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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Genesis 6:1-4

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For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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2 Peter 2:4

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Do our spirits differ from what the angels are?

God destroyed the world with water because of these wicked angels polluting the blood line and the un-natural marriages. These Sons of God are in prison today with chains because of rebelling against God.

 

[Sparkey]

Re: There is no Sex in Heaven?

Here is what I said

In Job 1:6 "ben 'elohiym" clearly means angels.
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In the book of Job Satan is shown as talking to God and Job 1:6 says that he came also among angels. I don't understand why you are saying that Satan is excluded? "Came also among the sons of God" does not mean excluded from their group.

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD and Satan came also among them".

If I spent an hour picking apples and also picked up a rock, then I said, "The apples and the rock were brought into my kitchen," would that mean that there was no distinction between the rock and the apples? If we were to say that Satan came along with the ben 'elohiym (translated "sons of God"), would that mean that the two were the same? Isn't it possible that by virtue of the fact that Satan was mentioned separately, he may not be considered as one of the sons?

I'd like to reiterate my point where we recalled what Jesus said to the Pharisees, when he called them "sons of their father, the devil," in John 8:44. I clearly see a distinction between the rock and the good apples (fit for a pie). Both might be called "the fruit of my labor" but I still would not include the rock in the pie. Further I see the same type of distinction between the Pharisees whom were lambasted by Jesus, and Christians who share his nature. Paul, for instance. He was a Pharisee, but when he met Jesus on the road to Damascus, his very nature changed.

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (NIV)

No. Satan is no "son of God". Why not, you say? The term "sons of God" refers only to those whose nature is from God (as opposed to fallen angels and/or unsaved men). Again only they who share God's nature can rightly be called sons. If I were to say, "Now there was a day when the Pharisees came to present themselves before the LORD and Paul came also among them," - what would you think I mean?

Angels and men are both "creatures" in that they are both created. Select members of both may rightly claim the title "sons of God". See Rev 12:7-11

We (Christians) are the adopted sons. (Eph 1:5,10)

"Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" - 1 Peter 1:10-13 KJV

When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (NIV)

Is that your final answer? That is what Jesus said.

 

[Agape]

Re: There is no Sex in Heaven?

Angels and men are both "creatures" in that they are both created.

That does not explain why "sons of God" are juxtaposed against "daughters of men" in Genesis 6. Nor does this help us understand why God did not spare the "sons of God" from the flood.

So the contrast, in Genesis 6, is between heavenly beings and earthly beings, creatures of God and creatures of men, sons of God and daughters of men.

 

[farouk]

... If there's no physical sex between partners, will there be heavenly sex/spiritual sex?
7. Does God have surprises for us in Heaven and the New Earth/any scriptures supporting this?

Sorry, urk, if I may ask, whatever are you talking about?

Is this profitable?

 

[reba]

I might be grasping at straws here but what the heck, just some ideas to ponder. Is it that false to think that God has surprises for us that he doesn't want us to know about, we are talking about eternity here. I just wanna make sure we haven't missed anything. ;)

1. Matthew 6:10 - Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven
2. Psalm 16:11 states pleasure(s) plural
3. Does sexuality in the Song of Solomon in Bible refer to earth and not Heaven?
4. Would Adam and Eve had sex if there was no fall?
5. Is there wine in Heaven, if so why not physical sex?
6. If there's no physical sex between partners, will there be heavenly sex/spiritual sex?
7. Does God have surprises for us in Heaven and the New Earth/any scriptures supporting this?

Good grief life is more then sex.

 

[Guest]

Sorry, urk, if I may ask, whatever are you talking about?

Is this profitable?

To be honest, I have very little knowledge on this thread I started. I needed help from my fellow brothers and sisters. I guess what I was trying to say is that we don't physically need sex anymore because the glory and love of God will be enough. Please note 1-7 on post #34 also, I was purposely throwing ideas out there just in case we missed anything. In regards to thread, I'm learning more from everyone here than I am myself. Blessings farouk. :yes

 

[Sparkey]

Re: There is no Sex in Heaven?

That does not explain why "sons of God" are juxtaposed against "daughters of men" in Genesis 6. Nor does this help us understand why God did not spare the "sons of God" from the flood.

So the contrast, in Genesis 6, is between heavenly beings and earthly beings, creatures of God and creatures of men, sons of God and daughters of men.

I understand that you see it that way. The burden of proof for introducing the complication would be on you (well, not you literally, but on those who thought of it), not me. I take of what Jesus said at face value. Angels don't marry. If we were to set aside my thought there, we would still face a problem with the "fallen angel" theory because they can not be rightly called "sons of God" when they start absurd acts like fornicating with daughters of men. But on the other hand, if we thought that the sons of God mentioned here were men (who were created by God, descendants of Adam, and called sons of God - not saying that the term couldn't apply to faithful angels, but that it CAN apply to men too), and they looked at the "daughters of men" and saw that they were fair and took them in marriage, then maybe there would be some mystery left (I'm okay with that) but what we'd be talking about is a common occurrence: some males marry for beauty.

This is just my speculation, and given in the spirit of casual talk, but the contrast seen in "sons of God" marrying "daughters of men" might be considered what is called "first mention" of a principle of separation, later given in a more complete form, where the sons of Israel were told not to marry daughters of other nations because they worshiped strange gods. That concept just occurred to me (in the middle of our discussion here), so you can summarily dismiss it as you like. Just like I will dismiss the idea that you've read about. Angels don't marry. Too bad Joseph didn't have a camera when the angel appeared to him, that would resolve the whole thing. I try not to use my imagination too much when there is an easier way to understand is all.

 

[Sparkey]

To be honest, I have very little knowledge on this thread I started. I needed help from my fellow brothers and sisters. I guess what I was trying to say is that we don't physically need sex anymore because the glory and love of God will be enough. Please note 1-7 on post #34 also, I was purposely throwing ideas out there just in case we missed anything. In regards to thread, I'm learning more from everyone here than I am myself. Blessings farouk. :yes

I think you've hit the nail on the head there (again). The glory and love of God will be so much more than can even enter our minds so that (dare I say it?) we won't even even miss sexual relations, even the best as they are surrounded in marital bliss. I'm not saying that the marital union isn't a wonder, and marvelous, but those are ideas that can enter my mind, have entered, and we can think about what it will be like, while we consider the "wedding of the Lamb" and our invitation (what it means to be given a white wedding garment, for instance. The garments are given to both bad and good alike (see Mt 22:10). Marriage is given the honor of being the only analogy that speaks to the relationship of Christ and the Church - and even Paul (who was celibate) remarked about it and explained the mystery (man leaving his father and mother and the two become one flesh). Check out Ephesians 1:10. This isn't the place for a sermon too much but that Scripture talks about what I'm trying to talk about.

What is the mystery of his will? Has He made it known to us? Read one Scripture above Ephesians 1:10. He has.

 

[Agape]

Re: There is no Sex in Heaven?

I take of what Jesus said at face value. Angels don't marry.

So do I but the Lord did not say that angels don't sin. See. ;)

So that argument does not contradict the idea that fallen angels took the form of men and married women. And I say it again, if "men of God" were godly men, how come God did not spare them from the flood?
You may think, that's not sufficient evidence and I could not agree more on that. And you recall that it bothered me to see how Genesis 6 made it clear that God was angry against "men" not "angels". So, are there any scriptures that support that intepretation? Does the Bible talk about God being angry against fallen angels, at the time of Noah?

Let us see what Peter tells us in 1 peter 3:18 : "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,"

So, the above scripture makes it clear that Christ died in the flesh but was alive in the Spirit. Agreed.

Now, let us what else Peter says in the next verse:

1 Peter 3:19 "by whom [the Spirit] also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,"

Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, between His death and resurrection.
But who are those spirits?
We get the answer in verse 20

1 Peter 3:20 "who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water."

The spirits that are in this prison are the spirits who were disobedient to God in the time of Noah, before the Flood. And again in 2 Peter 2:4-5, Peter affirmed that God did not spare angels who sinned and delivered them into chains of darkness to be held for judgment. We've already noticed that God did not spare "sons of God" from the flood in the book of Genesis. We noticed it because only Noah and his family were spared from the flood. It is like a logical conclusion, but here we have a scripture that says it plainly.

"4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;"

So when we read Genesis we see that God brought the flood to destroy mankind but Peter tells us that God did not spare angels then either. But, why were "fallen angels" called "men of God"? Well, I learned from a couple of reliable sources that, in the Old Testament, the phrase "men of God" never refers to men. It always referred to angels. So, the contrast is not between "men of God" and "men of Satan". That's not what the text says or even imply, since neither were spared from the flood. Rather, the contrast is between heavenly creatures and earthly creatures.

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day" Jude 6

 

[iLOVE]

God destroyed the world with water because of these wicked angels polluting the blood line and the un-natural marriages. These Sons of God are in prison today with chains because of rebelling against God.

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 1 Corinthians 6:3
Christian Believers will judge those fallen Angels of God that are in prison and chained for rebelling against God.

 

[Agape]

Matthew 24:37
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

So whatever it was that was going on back then...is going on again now. Are we to presume that fallen Angels are fornicating with our earthly women now?

No, it is not "whatever", it is what the text plainly says.
Matthew 24:35-39 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

The context makes it obvious that it is about the unexpectedness of the coming of the Lord. People of the end times will be doing routine things without any thought of the coming of the Son of Man. No one knows the day or hour.

 

[Arch Angle]

you will experience the unlimited "joy". With whatever particles your "soul"is using to be. So if sex is "joy", then so be it. But ifreproduction is more akin to one set of particles aligning another set ofparticles to the same state, then no "sex" is needed. But you will/can still have joy.

 

[Agape]

I get that part, it's very plain as you say. There is more to it than that though based on what Genesis 6 says. That is the hard one to understand. What do you believe this means?

I don't have a clue what you're getting at. If you see more to it and believe it is hard for me to understand, why don't you simply say it?

 

[Agape]

I get that part, it's very plain as you say. There is more to it than that though based on what Genesis 6 says

I said it's hard for me to understand.

You've already concluded that there is more to Matthew 24 based on Genesis 6 and now you ask me to explain your own argument. So you conclude before you understand?

 

[Agape]

Matthew 24:37
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man./ (NIV)

So I go to Genesis 6 to see what was going on in the days of Noah, and see...

Genesis 6:1-8

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man". This is not about the wickedness of men but about the suddenness and the unexpectedness of the coming of the Lord. In the days of Noah, people were doing routine things without any thought of the coming flood. Jesus said that people of the end times will also be doing these routine things, eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, without any thought of the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24:35-39 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

I can't do better and don't see more than what it clearly says.

 

[Agape]

So you have no thoughts about Genesis 6:1-4?

Yes I do and my last post is here http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=49629&p=762168&viewfull=1#post762168

 

[EdenBorn]

There probably is no sex or marriage in Heaven.

The blessing of marriage includes 'until death do us part'. A widow or a widower is free to remarry because that bond is broken at death. But two people who are still alive who remarry are committing adultery, a little fact that goes ignored in Scripture.

As such, how many marriages are there out there which are actually sanctified? With the divorce rate as high as it is, marriage has become more of a past time. I would rather find it contradictory that all marriages exist in Heaven even if it were possible, which in my opinion it isn't- marriage is a worldly thing left at the pearly gates.