Is this chip the mark?

[for_his_glory]

Bitcoin uses alot of power

I was only using that as an example as some believe it's a RFID chip and some believe it's the Bitcoin or even a tattoo, but in all reality no one knows for sure what this mark is in Rev 13. All I do know for fact is that we as a child of God are not to take this mark, but to have faith in Christ.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

It doesn't really matter if rfid is the mark or not. It's the underlying message of it. We already know that anything that could be abused will be abused...And guess who always gets the short end of it? Us.

I don't need anything from the government. Their entire system is whitewash. I would never need or want or take such a device from our government. We don't even need their monetary system, the Lord showed me that in Colorado already. Scripture prophesied all this anyway.

So no chips for me. I don't even have any tattoos, lol. So, I know the day is coming eventually that I won't be able to go grocery shopping anymore. It is what it is. Prepping for no grocery stores is just prepping for camping, lol. People don't barter commonly because money is convenient. But people will barter in an instant if the situation arises. Some will go hungry, some will barter and get by, some will be fed manna from heaven. The shadows are all there in the OT.

I guess this is our Egyptian bondage?

History does repeat itself. God will provide that manna in the wilderness that we will flee to if we have faith and trust in Christ during this time.

 

[jasonc]

I was only using that as an example as some believe it's a RFID chip and some believe it's the Bitcoin or even a tattoo, but in all reality no one knows for sure what this mark is in Rev 13. All I do know for fact is that we as a child of God are not to take this mark, but to have faith in Christ.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Bitcoin isn't physical money it uses encryption to work.it takes alot of computation to do that

 

[for_his_glory]

Bitcoin isn't physical money it uses encryption to work.it takes alot of computation to do that

I know it's not physical money, I was just saying some think it's the mark of the beast just as many believe the RFID is the mark. It does have a pentagram on it and that can't be good

 

[DiscipleDave]

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It's an RFID (Radio Frequency I D) device. Pass it over a magnetic field and it broadcasts your ID so that funds can be transferred from your account to theirs of from theirs to yours.

What we do know for certain is what the Word of God plainly and clearly tells us. Stay away from these two clues and you will not take the mark unawares.
1) a mark that goes into the right hand or forehead, and
2) you can buy and sell because of it.

 

[john darling]

It's not a secure enough technology for "the chip" to buy or sell

Maybe at this moment, but technology is always evolving. When metal coins became popular they had to deal with people shaving bits of the coin off the sides and then later with counterfeiting. With cheques and credit cards there's the problem of identity theft. Each of these problems were probably debated along the way but none of them stopped the inexorable change of money to an ever more efficient format as solutions to the problems were developed. Perhaps at some point people thought personal computers would become limited in use because of the threat of viruses and hacking, but instead a lucrative market of updated anti-viruses vs updated viruses was born and exploited.

The prophecy says the purpose of the Mark will be to control buying and selling, and since most people in the world believe they cannot live without buying and selling, most people will almost certainly end up taking the mark (whatever form it may take) regardless of whatever bravado they espouse before hand.

You may think now that you do not want the chip, but for many people that stance is mostly just a good intention which they like to imagine about themselves. When it comes to putting bread on the table most people will invariably compromise on the basis that they have no other choice. Something like giving to Caesar or obeying the laws of the land will become awfully convenient doctrines for anyone struggling with their conscience.

It will be especially bad for those who support a pre-tribulation rapture, because they will believe that a microchip implant in the hand cannot be the Mark, because they would have been raptured by then. In other words, their desire to escape suffering for their faith will cause them to accept whatever it takes to remain comfortable until Jesus finally does return.

If you are not prepared to be homeless, to watch your children starve, to be separated from family members who think your position is crazy or extremist, or to be shunned and outcast by a worldly system which teaches you that the value of your life is measured by how much you buy and sell then you will almost certainly end up taking the Mark regardless of the form it may finally take.

 

[JLB]

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It's an RFID (Radio Frequency I D) device. Pass it over a magnetic field and it broadcasts your ID so that funds can be transferred from your account to theirs of from theirs to yours.

The one like this that is the size of a grain of rice, is probably it.




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Whatever this mark of the beast is we are warned not to take it as this will be the time of great testing for all who have faith of Christ and trust Him for all our need as we are to flee from the beast.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[john darling]

Whatever this mark of the beast is we are warned not to take it as this will be the time of great testing for all who have faith of Christ and trust Him for all our need as we are to flee from the beast.

What you're sharing here is a good sentiment. We should not take the Mark regardless of whatever form it may take. The problem is that, regardless of the form it may take, you won't be able to buy or sell without it.

So it's not just a matter of saying, "I won't take the Mark" but rather, "I'm prepared to lose my house, to become homeless, to not be able to buy food in the shops or pay the bills as normal, to be rejected (and probably persecuted) by a society that will at the least think I'm crazy, but more likely that I'm a trouble-maker, and to be abandoned (or even persecuted) by my family who think I'm crazy.

If we are not prepared to literally face these possibilities, we'll almost certainly end up taking the Mark, probably by convincing ourselves that the Mark is some other thing besides what allows me to continue buying/selling.

 

[John Prewett]

Christians will believe and heed the following:
Matthew 6:31
Therefore, take no thought, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’
or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’

btw: Jesus can energize a person so that the person does not even have to eat.
(will cite scripture to prove that if anyone challenges that statement)

Also ,,,, consider the "manna" God gave the Hebrews when they needed it

 

[for_his_glory]

What you're sharing here is a good sentiment. We should not take the Mark regardless of whatever form it may take. The problem is that, regardless of the form it may take, you won't be able to buy or sell without it.

So it's not just a matter of saying, "I won't take the Mark" but rather, "I'm prepared to lose my house, to become homeless, to not be able to buy food in the shops or pay the bills as normal, to be rejected (and probably persecuted) by a society that will at the least think I'm crazy, but more likely that I'm a trouble-maker, and to be abandoned (or even persecuted) by my family who think I'm crazy.

If we are not prepared to literally face these possibilities, we'll almost certainly end up taking the Mark, probably by convincing ourselves that the Mark is some other thing besides what allows me to continue buying/selling.

It will be a time of a greater stronger faith as we trust Jesus and believe He will provide for our needs during this time of the beast.

 

[for_his_glory]

Christians will believe and heed the following:
Matthew 6:31
Therefore, take no thought, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’
or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’

btw: Jesus can energize a person so that the person does not even have to eat.
(will cite scripture to prove that if anyone challenges that statement)

Also ,,,, consider the "manna" God gave the Hebrews when they needed it

I'm not challenging you, but can you give us that scripture, Thank you.

 

[John Prewett]

I'm not challenging you, but can you give us that scripture, Thank you.

Will give you two

1) To "run and not be weary" one must be being energized from on high.

"but those who wait upon the Lord
shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings as eagles,
they shall run and not be weary,
and they shall walk and not faint." Isaiah 40:31

2) 31 Meanwhile His disciples urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
32 But He said to them, “I have food to eat of which you do not know.”
John 4

Jesus did not have to eat normal food. He was energized from on high.

 

[for_his_glory]

Will give you two

1) To "run and not be weary" one must be being energized from on high.

"but those who wait upon the Lord
shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings as eagles,
they shall run and not be weary,
and they shall walk and not faint." Isaiah 40:31

2) 31 Meanwhile His disciples urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
32 But He said to them, “I have food to eat of which you do not know.”
John 4

Jesus did not have to eat normal food. He was energized from on high.

Thank you. I'm not sure with Jesus being fully God and fully man, but without the sin nature, would of had the same nutritional needs as we do to sustain life. He did state at one time He was hungry and was fed. Something I never considered before.

All I do know is that when the son of perdition takes his seat in Jerusalem we are told by Jesus to flee away into a place He has prepared for us. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock and water flowed out of it and also manna coming down from heaven I believe the same for those who are Christ own will also be taken care of until Christ returns.

 

[for_his_glory]

What you're sharing here is a good sentiment. We should not take the Mark regardless of whatever form it may take. The problem is that, regardless of the form it may take, you won't be able to buy or sell without it.

So it's not just a matter of saying, "I won't take the Mark" but rather, "I'm prepared to lose my house, to become homeless, to not be able to buy food in the shops or pay the bills as normal, to be rejected (and probably persecuted) by a society that will at the least think I'm crazy, but more likely that I'm a trouble-maker, and to be abandoned (or even persecuted) by my family who think I'm crazy.

If we are not prepared to literally face these possibilities, we'll almost certainly end up taking the Mark, probably by convincing ourselves that the Mark is some other thing besides what allows me to continue buying/selling.

Are many true Christians not even now persecuted by society and even their own families? Even to death in many countries.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

[john darling]

Are many true Christians not even now persecuted by society and even their own families? Even to death in many countries.

I guess that's up to the individual to work out for himself. But, from my experience, in Western countries like the US, Australia, the U.K. etc most of the persecution which comes up between family members relates either to politics or theological differences.

The kind of persecution I'm referring to in reference to the Mark is that of a wife who does not want to become involved with electronic money while her husband does, and how that could tear them apart.

Or, what about a husband who does not want to continue down the path of becoming more and more dependent on electronic money which would ultimately culminate in reliance on the Mark and decides that neither should his children? When his children become homeless with him, will his extended family be okay with that? It would be easy for those with no faith in God to presume that he's gone crazy and has become a danger to his children.

It would be easy for adult children to decide their parents who refuse to follow the norms of society have gone crazy and should be hospitalized for their own good.

When it comes to money, people's perspective can change quickly and dramatically. They can end up behaving in ways we never thought they would. You can see examples of this in bitter divorce situations where the couple shared joint ownership of bank accounts and property, or situations where extended family members loan one another property or money with the expectation that it will be paid back and then is not.

If you are not prepared to lose your husband, wife, or children; if you are not prepared to have your extended family declare you crazy; if you are not prepared to lose all your material wealth to family members who think you've become incompetent; if you are not prepared to be called a bad father/mother or an unfaithful husband/wife or a disobedient child by those you love most; if you are not prepared to lose everything then you will probably end up taking the Mark.

 

[for_his_glory]

I guess that's up to the individual to work out for himself. But, from my experience, in Western countries like the US, Australia, the U.K. etc most of the persecution which comes up between family members relates either to politics or theological differences.

The kind of persecution I'm referring to in reference to the Mark is that of a wife who does not want to become involved with electronic money while her husband does, and how that could tear them apart.

Or, what about a husband who does not want to continue down the path of becoming more and more dependent on electronic money which would ultimately culminate in reliance on the Mark and decides that neither should his children? When his children become homeless with him, will his extended family be okay with that? It would be easy for those with no faith in God to presume that he's gone crazy and has become a danger to his children.

It would be easy for adult children to decide their parents who refuse to follow the norms of society have gone crazy and should be hospitalized for their own good.

When it comes to money, people's perspective can change quickly and dramatically. They can end up behaving in ways we never thought they would. You can see examples of this in bitter divorce situations where the couple shared joint ownership of bank accounts and property, or situations where extended family members loan one another property or money with the expectation that it will be paid back and then is not.

If you are not prepared to lose your husband, wife, or children; if you are not prepared to have your extended family declare you crazy; if you are not prepared to lose all your material wealth to family members who think you've become incompetent; if you are not prepared to be called a bad father/mother or an unfaithful husband/wife or a disobedient child by those you love most; if you are not prepared to lose everything then you will probably end up taking the Mark.

I'm talking about how many have died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ in the past, even by their own family members and those who refuse the mark of this beast in the future that will be persecuted to death, Rev 13:15.

The beast that rises out of the sea is a Luciferian system of world economics, political and false religious power that will deceive the world into taking its mark as the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition will cause everyone to bow down to him and take his mark or be killed. Even the elect of God can be deceived if they lose faith for fearing what will happen to them if they do not take the mark of the beast.

This will be the greatest test of faith as Jesus told us to flee from this beast as He has prepared a safe place for us and will meet out needs until Christ returns. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock and water flowed out of it and manna came down from heaven so will it be for those who are God's own in the end of days.

A house will be divided as Jesus said in Luke 12:49-53 if parts of the house refuses to heed the word of God taught to them. No one knows what this mark of the beast will be until it presents itself to the public, but even yet when we see the son of perdition taking a literal seat in Jerusalem it's time to head to the hills.

 

[john darling]

No one knows what this mark of the beast will be until it presents itself to the public,

I don't think there is any part of your post I could disagree with, except maybe this part and even then I think the difference is only that I'm suggesting we be more specific about what this time of testing will look like in practical terms.

We may not have 100% certainty at this moment what physical form the Mark will take, but we do know that it will be found on the right hand/forehead, that it will be worldwide, and that it will be used to control buying and selling.

Those criteria are pretty specific so we can use them to narrow down the potential prospects quickly. Based on world banking trends it is almost certain that the Mark will eventually end up taking the form of some kind of implant in the right hand (or forehead for amputees, or possibly as some kind of fashion statement).

However, that is beside the main point. Whatever form the Mark may eventually take, the bottom line is our willingness to reject our only means to pay the bills.

You mention God's warning to flee and hints that we'll be provided for in the wilderness; I believe this is something that will happen, but even then this protection will not necessarily be absolute. God will allow us to die, mostly because our willingness to die will be a powerful testimony to the world that we have something worth dying for.

Those deaths could be through starvation or exposure, particularly for Christians who reject the Mark but have never prepared for a life outside of dependence on money for their daily bread.

But even those of us who are preparing for that time of testing by letting go of dependence on various forms of digital banking (like cards with smart chips, passports with smartchips, or any kind of payment requiring a smartchip)
will almost certainly end up dying anyway because our lack of participation in the system will become obvious, which will make us prime targets for persecution.

This will be particularly true of those who have families who disagree with rejecting the Mark. They will probably see our refusal as some kind of betrayal of the relationship because obviously one person who takes the Mark will not get along well with one who rejects the Mark.

What I'm suggesting is that we all take a long, hard look at the practicalities of rejecting our only means of financial stability. What will that look in real terms?

Are you prepared to have your travel restricted? Are you prepared to become homeless? Are you prepared to have your family think you're crazy? To lose your spouse and probably your children as well?

How much pressure will it take to make you think, "this microchip probably isn't the real Mark of the Beast. After all, the Mark is all about worship. And besides, God gave me my family for a reason; he wouldn't want me to make choices that would put them in danger. Even Jesus said we should give to Caesar what belongs to him. How can we do that if we're not working to pay our taxes? And, Paul was a tentmaker. He even said that I'd be worse than an infidel if I don't take care of my family. I'm supposed to obey the laws of the land and respect those who rule over me and the rules say I have to take this implant if I want to pay the bills".

It is one thing to talk about resistance in theory. It is very different to talk about resistance which could end up costing us everything. When the pressure is on, most professing Christians will crack.

 

[John Prewett]

For Christians (not nominal christians)
the time the Beast reigns will be a WONDERFUL time of serving Jesus IN POWER.
Exactly as the early Church (led by Jesus through His Spirit led Apostles)
served Jesus even as the Satan's Caesars reigned over the Roman Empire.

"but those who wait upon the Lord
shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings as eagles,
they shall run and not be weary,
and they shall walk and not faint." Isaiah 40:31

ps: little less than 2 hours until midnight New York City. I'm all-a-twitter.

 

[Who Me]

There are two passage in Rev that talk of having a mark of the beast. They are in separete parts of John's vision so the question is are they linked?

Rev is a series of word pictures that make it difficult to understand whether he is discribing what has happened, is happening or is going to happen, worse all three interpretations can be said to apply.


Rev13:15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

Rev14:9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.

Are these marks the same mark?