Is this Divinely Inspired / or Divinely Retarded?

[Soma-Sight]

I am ever present to those who have realized me in every creature. Seeing all life as my manisestation, they are never separate from me. The worship me in the hearts of all, and all their actions proceed from me. Whereever they live, they abide in me.

When a person responds to the joys and sorrows of others as if they were his own, he has attained the highest state of spiritual union.

That one I love who is incapable of ill will, who is friendly and compassionate... who looks upon friend and foe with equal regard....

He alone sees truly who sees the Lord the same in every creature, who sees the deathless in the hearts of all that die. Seeing the same Lord everywhere, he does no harm to himself or others. Thus he attains the supreme goal.

 

[Gary]

In context?... pretty silly!

Who is a yogi?

Supreme bliss comes to a Self-realized yogi whose mind is tranquil, whose desires are under control, and who is free from sin (or faults). (6.27) Such a sinless yogi, who constantly engages his or her mind and intellect with the Eternal Being (Brahm), easily enjoys the infinite bliss of contact with Brahm. (6.28) Because of perceiving the omnipresent Eternal Being (Brahm) abiding in all beings, and all beings abiding in the Eternal Being; a yogi, who is in union with the Eternal Being, sees every being with an equal eye. (See also 4.35, 5.18) (6.29) Those who perceive Me in everything and behold everything in Me, are not separated from Me, and I am not separated from them. (6.30) The non-dualists, who adore Me as abiding in all beings, abide in Me irrespective of their mode of living. (6.31) One is considered the best yogi who regards every being like oneself, and who can feel the pain and pleasures of others as one’s own, O Arjun. (6.32)

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I was wondering..... did this Self-realized, sinless yogi consider himself like Hitler or Stalin? Jack-the-Ripper?

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[bibleberean]

"Supreme bliss comes to a Self-realized yogi whose mind is tranquil, whose desires are under control, and who is free from sin (or faults). "(6.27)


The bible states:

2 Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Gary,

I urge you to read this book just as you have read the Koran, (if indeed you have actually read it free from commentaries)

You are a learned man and I would be curious to see what you think after reading the Eknath Easwaren version....

For a Christian that seeks to control his mind from lust, anger, malice, hate to the qualities of peace, love, understanding, wisdom.... the Gita PRAGMATICALLY rather than the Biblical form of METAPHORICALLY shows the seeker TECHNIQUES to still the mind rather than just CONCEPTS!

REGARDLESS OF YOUR THEOLOGICAL BASIS ON THE NATURE OF MAN TO SIN (which it differs somewhat from X-tian paradigms) THIS BOOK HAS MANY TRUTHS THAT CORRESPOND TO MODERN SCIENTIFIC, PSYCHOLOGICAL, EMPIRICAL AND BEHAVIORAL TRUTHS THAT HAVE BEEN REVEALED IN THE LAST CENTURY

Arjuna, I am the taste of pure water and the radiance of the sun and moon. I am the sacred word and the sound heard in the air, and the courage of human beings. I am the sweet fragrance of the earth and the radiance of fire; I am the life in every creature and the striving of the spiritual aspirant.

Satanic? Divine?

Read the Gita WITHOUT Christian blinders and just see it as it is.... a true masterpiece for the seeker![/b]

 

[bibleberean]

I would urge people to read the bible for truth and light.

Turn to the true God not the false god's of the heathen.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Soma-Sight]

BB,

If any man without sin is a liar.....

What does this mean?

Job 1

1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

BLAMELESS AND UPRIGHT?

Interesting indeed......

I wonder if PAUL knew about this.....

"Be ye therefore perfect even as your FATHER which is in Heaven is perfect !"


Or this????????????????[/b]

 

[bibleberean]

BB,

If any man without sin is a liar.....

What does this mean?

Job 1

1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

BLAMELESS AND UPRIGHT?

Interesting indeed......

I wonder if PAUL knew about this.....

"Be ye therefore perfect even as your FATHER which is in Heaven is perfect !"


Or this????????????????[/b]

Job was blameless in that he believed God... Just like Abraham.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Job repented and humbled himself before God...

Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Job 42:7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

If you would simply read things in the context they are written you would understand. You choose to remain in darkness because you want to prove the bible wrong.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

That isn't saying that a man can be perfect and without sin. It means treat your enemies decently and be good to those who use you.

The only reason this is difficult for you to see is because you are fighting with the God of the bible and making a pact with the god of the heathen.

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

[Soma-Sight]

If you would simply read things in the context they are written you would understand. You choose to remain in darkness because you want to prove the bible wrong.

I seek not to prove the Bible wrong!

I seek to awaken you on the Truth written in its pages!

It is possible to live a life full of righteousness for the Lord and many do just that!

We all make mistakes and repentance should not be brushed aside for this is the sin of PRIDE!

We should however realize that Gid dwells in all and all is connected to Him in somne way. The perfection of Christ's love is inside us and manifests itself in infinite ways.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


The power of Christ and the Holy spirit are made manifest through our own bodies through Christlike actions....

REGARDLESS OF CULTURAL CONDITIONINGS OR BELIEFS ABOUT SEMAMTICS!

Those who follow this path, resolving deep within themselves to seek ME alone, attain singleness of purpose. For those who lack resolution, the decisions of life are many branched and endless.

There are ignorant people who speak flowery words and take delight in the letter of the Law, saying that there is nothing else. There hearts are full of selfish desires, Arjuna. Their idea of heaven is their own enjoyment, and the aim of all their activities is pleasure and power. The fruit of their actions is continual rebirth. Those whose minds are swept away by the pursuit of pleasure and power are incapable of following the supreme goal and will not attain samadhi.

 

[bibleberean]

Soma,

Not everyone is of God.

You don't agree with the bible.

God is not "in" everyone and everything...

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Soma,

Not everyone is of God.

You don't agree with the bible.

God is not "in" everyone and everything...

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

BB,

Everyone, thing, created and uncreated is of God.

You don't agree with the Bible.

God is "in" everyone and everything through the power of His Spirit....

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

John 4:24

24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

1 John 4:8

8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

In Christ were created all things in heaven and on earth
everything visible and everything invisible.... Before anything was created, he existed, and he holds all things in unity.
â€â€Col. 1-15-17

Who laid [the earth's] cornerstone
when all the stars of the morning were singing with joy,
and the Sons of God in chorus were chanting praise?...
Which is the way to the home of the light,
and where does darkness live?...
Who carves a channel for the downpour,
and hacks a way for rolling thunder?
What womb brings forth the ice,
and gives birth to the frost of heaven...?
Whose skill details every cloud
and tilts the flasks of heaven...?
Who makes provision for the raven
when his squabs cry out to God
and crane their necks in hunger?
â€â€Job 38.6-7,19,25,29,37,41



Need more verse!?

 

[Gary]

Soma: We all make mistakes...

Bhagavad-Gita: Supreme bliss comes to a Self-realized yogi whose mind is tranquil, whose desires are under control, and who is free from sin (or faults). (6.27)

Gary: So which is it? Sinless yogi or sinful Soma and sinful mankind?

By the way, does your sinless yogi also identify with Hitler, Stalin and Jack-the-Ripper?

Bhagavad-Gita: One is considered the best yogi who regards every being like oneself, and who can feel the pain and pleasures of others as one’s own, O Arjun. (6.32)

:o

 

[Gary]

I urge you to read this book just as you have read the Koran, (if indeed you have actually read it free from commentaries)

I have read the Quran many, many times and many different translations. The first I read was Yusuf Ali's translation and then the Saudi Arabian published translation by Dr Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali / Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan. Since that time, I have studied many different translations. So what is your point?

Now questions for you.

Have you read the Quran? In total, without commentaries? Which translation? Have you read the Hadith? Which collection? How many?

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I have read the Bhagavad Gita, translated by A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. No commentary. So what is your point?

Why do you recommend Eknath Easwaren's version? .... What other versions have you actually read? Have you read A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's translation?

Read the Gita WITHOUT Christian blinders and just see it as it is.... a true masterpiece for the seeker

By the way, can YOU read the Bible without your pagan blinders? I doubt it....

Not having been born again of the Holy Spirit, you are still totally blinded.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

can YOU read the Bible without your pagan blinders

Not having been born again of the Holy Spirit, you are still totally blinded.

You choose to remain in darkness because you want to prove the bible wrong.

The only reason this is difficult for you to see is because you are fighting with the God of the bible and making a pact with the god of the heathen.

It is most distressing to see those who presume Soma to be 'fallen' or not 'born again' turn like ravenous wolves to devour. All done in the name of 'defending the bible,' no less.

I see the ultimate and final expression of Truth and He who is Truth within the Gospel- but I see great truths everywhere. So did Paul, who often quoted Greek philosophers. Much of Hebrew wisdom was inherited from other cultures. And I have no doubt that our brothers in the East have much to teach us.

These truths help many find their way, should they be humble and able to receive grace, to He who is Truth and He who is the Only Door. There is only one Door and one Way leading from the Door- but there many pathways that lead to the Door. Humility is the vehicle that helps us ascend to the singular Door.

Protestant Evangelicalism is a programming, a matrix, really- and when minds begin to become freed, the Agents are dispensed to terminate the rogue dissidents.

There is a lot of fear in Evangelical Fundamentalism, a lot of 'don't touch, don't taste.' Very regimented and quick to judge, quick to speak and unwilling to listen.

 

[bibleberean]

"Supreme bliss comes to a Self-realized yogi whose mind is tranquil, whose desires are under control, and who is free from sin (or faults). "(6.27)


The bible states:

2 Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I thought I would repost this and then add...

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

If we could become sinless then Christ need not save us.

It is an insult to Christ and His finished work on the cross to claim we can achieve sinless perfection after many deaths and rebirths.

That is what the false god and gods of the Hindi teach.

 

[Gary]

... and OC claims to have found truth in the Gita. Why not show us what truth you found there OC?

 

[bibleberean]

There is no doubt that people who are not saved have some truth.

The problem is that truth will not save them.

Only Jesus can save the lost and that is the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

There is no doubt that people who are not saved have some truth.

The problem is that truth will not save them.

Only Jesus can save the lost and that is the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I agree that only Jesus can save. What we disagree on is our ability to know who He will save and when.

 

[Gary]

There is no doubt that people who are not saved have some truth.

The problem is that truth will not save them.

Only Jesus can save the lost and that is the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

True. I learnt maths from a teacher. That had a lot of truth. Einstein even uncovered the truth of E=MC(2). That has also been shown to have some truth.

But I am still interested in what "truth" OC found in the Gita.

This should be fun!

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[Orthodox Christian]

... and OC claims to have found truth in the Gita. Why not show us what truth you found there OC?

Why don't you show me where I specifically stated that I found truth "in Gita"- or that I didn't. Why don't you quote it right here, Gary, then we can discuss. :wink:

But I am still interested in what "truth" MC found in the Gita.

This should be fun!

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Oh, and now I'm "MC" and you've got the party hats on. I guess you've figured out that when we get to discussin,' I spin the records, and you dance to my tune, eh Gary?:

 

[Gary]

Last time we discovered you had not even read the Quran nor even understood what was in the Hadith .... I guess the same will be true of the Gita!

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