Is Tithing required by the New Testament?

[Stan1953]

that is rare then since every church that tithes teaches it that way.

but Deborah has a point. did Abraham tithe when he wasn't gaining spoils? the bible doesn't say that. that is where she is coming from. I do know people who have given and weren't raised out any poverty situation any time soon. I have also seen some be blessed when they did tithe.

Not every one Jason, as I can attest to. IMO Abraham tithed, period. It was about gain of ANY kind, so that would be all the gain he had on his own lands. I am NOT trying to compel/force anyone to tithe. I am just pointing out that tithing was not JUST in the written Law of the OT but existed long before it was written down.

 

[jasonc]

Not every one Jason, as I can attest to. IMO Abraham tithed, period. It was about gain of ANY kind, so that would be all the gain he had on his own lands. I am NOT trying to compel/force anyone to tithe. I am just pointing out that tithing was not JUST in the written Law of the OT but existed long before it was written down.

so was circumcision. im familiar with the concepts of the oral torah and written torah. but keep in mind that Abraham was in a very direct relationship with God. there wasn't a priest, he offered to the Lord.

 

[Stan1953]

so was circumcision. im familiar with the concepts of the oral torah and written torah. but keep in mind that Abraham was in a very direct relationship with God. there wasn't a priest, he offered to the Lord.

No sorry the oral Torah was AFTER the written Torah came into effect and way after Abraham was gone. Tradition shows God gave Moses the oral Torah at the same time He gave him the 10 commandments. We're talking about Gen 14 here.
Actually Melchizedek WAS a HIGH priest. Hebrews 7 (NIV)

 

[jasonc]

No sorry the oral Torah was AFTER the written Torah came into effect and way after Abraham was gone. Tradition shows God gave Moses the oral Torah at the same time He gave him the 10 commandments. We're talking about Gen 14 here.
Actually Melchizedek WAS a HIGH priest. Hebrews 7 (NIV)

I know that but Abraham built altars.
oral torah? how did joseph know that adultery was sin if there was NO torah from GOD on that? how would Abraham also not be praised by God for teaching the statues which weren't written to his sons.
genesis happened first and was told to the Hebrews orally. that is called oral tradition. its implied in the commands given. there was no written book called Genesis moses wrote that. none of the patriarchs called GOD the YHWH but the Lord Almighty. see exodus 6:3. the accounts of Abraham are too limited. ie did he zoom back a few hundred miles just to atone at Salem? he went to Egypt, and also to the Philestines.

Abraham's altars he built:
genesis 13:17, genesis 22:2, genesis 13:4

so who told him to build those , in Hebrew the word torah isn't the word for law as we often see it but simply instructions. as a dad tells his son .

the first recording of that is in genesis 3.

 

[Stan1953]

I know that but Abraham built altars.
oral torah? how did joseph know that adultery was sin if there was NO torah from GOD on that? how would Abraham also not be praised by God for teaching the statues which weren't written to his sons.
genesis happened first and was told to the Hebrews orally. that is called oral tradition. its implied in the commands given. there was no written book called Genesis moses wrote that. none of the patriarchs called GOD the YHWH but the Lord Almighty. see exodus 6:3. the accounts of Abraham are too limited. ie did he zoom back a few hundred miles just to atone at Salem? he went to Egypt, and also to the Philestines.
Abraham's altars he built:
genesis 13:17, genesis 22:2, genesis 13:4
so who told him to build those , in Hebrew the word torah isn't the word for law as we often see it but simply instructions. as a dad tells his son .
the first recording of that is in genesis 3.

Again, these are principles communicated to these men by God. I'm not sure why you bring this up as it has nothing to do with tithing?
Torah is the Hebrew word for the Pentateuch that Moses wrote. The oral torah only happened prior to the Babylonian exile of 586-530 BC. It didn't exist in Abrahams day.
The first mention of an altar is in Genesis 8. I don't know where you see 'altar' in Gen 3?

 

[iLOVE]

It takes faith to give the first 10 percent, not the last 10. Cain didn’t bring God his first fruits, and he reaped the consequences. When we have the heart of Cain in our finances, we also have the spirit of mammon on our lives. It takes faith to tithe. Every time you get paid are you going to believe that God’s Word works, that 90 percent with God’s blessing goes further than 100 percent without?

 

[Malachi]

Is the tithe food or money in the New Testament (NT)?

Neither. It is not mentioned in the New Testament other than (1) irrelevant (mint and cumin) or boastful tithing by the hypocrites and (2) a reference to the Levitical priesthood and Abraham giving tithes to Melchizedek (see Heb 7).

Has the term tithe been deleted in the NT and replace with 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 NASB?

That is correct, but not just those two verses. Go through the entire chapter. It is a matter of "bounty" and "bountifulness". Also other Scriptures.

What is the dictionary meaning of tithe?

One-tenth.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not teach His disciples to tithe, knowing full well that very soon He would abolish the Levitical priesthood by His one great sacrifice for sins. The Holy Spirit taught the first Christians to give 100% ("good measure, pressed down, running over") similar to the widow who gave all, and similar to Christ, who also gave all. Study the book of Acts.

At the same time, the purpose of sharing their bounty would be to supply the needs of others, not build magnificent cathedrals and set up a clerical hierarchy living like kings, or have preachers extorting from their churches for their own selfish reasons a la Creflo Dollar.

 

[iLOVE]

It takes faith to give the first 10 percent, not the last 10. Cain didn’t bring God his first fruits, and he reaped the consequences. When we have the heart of Cain in our finances, we also have the spirit of mammon on our lives. It takes faith to tithe. Every time you get paid are you going to believe that God’s Word works, that 90 percent with God’s blessing goes further than 100 percent without?

But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength.
They will soar high on wings like eagles.
They will run and not grow weary.
They will walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:31 NLT

This is called the second mile!

 

[brother Paul]

We must not use old covenant terms of agreement to confuse new covenant terms of agreement...nowhere in the New Covenant agreement is tithing specified as a requirement (though it is honoring to God)....it appears to me that in the New Covenant your time and gifted abilities (doing the works God foreordained you to do - Ephesians 2:10) are more important than money except where the money allows us to do His appointed works (which no longer involves supporting the Levites as our pastors get paid, or funding the Tabernacle/Temple services)...

Again though I think tithing is an wonderful and important action I side with the "its all His" group when it comes to the NT....notice at the Jerusalem council when asked what was binding on gentiles, this was a non-issue. I find too many churches (especially Evangelicals and Pentecostals) over emphasize this and the result is wealthy pastors and a poorer flock....motivated largely by guilt or empty promises that for most never unfold.

Paul

 

[Stan1953]

Neither. It is not mentioned in the New Testament other than (1) irrelevant (mint and cumin) or boastful tithing by the hypocrites and (2) a reference to the Levitical priesthood and Abraham giving tithes to Melchizedek (see Heb 7).

I disagree....NOTHING Jesus said in the NT is IRRELEVANT. It is God's Word and God's absolute truth.

 

[Malachi]

I disagree....NOTHING Jesus said in the NT is IRRELEVANT. It is God's Word and God's absolute truth.

It's not what Jesus said, but what the hypocrites offered as tithes -- mint and cumin -- which was totally irrelevant! Totally irrelevant to Christ, so before you get on your high horse, it would be wise to look at what was said about mint and cumin, and the foolishness of tithing those herbs. The real issue, which you have dodged, is that the Lord never taught His disciples tithing. Instead He pointed to that poor widow. When Christ finished His work of redemption, He also abolished the Levitical priesthood and all that pertained to it (tithes included).

 

[Stan1953]

It's not what Jesus said, but what the hypocrites offered as tithes -- mint and cumin -- which was totally irrelevant! Totally irrelevant to Christ, so before you get on your high horse, it would be wise to look at what was said about mint and cumin, and the foolishness of tithing those herbs. The real issue, which you have dodged, is that the Lord never taught His disciples tithing. Instead He pointed to that poor widow. When Christ finished His work of redemption, He also abolished the Levitical priesthood and all that pertained to it (tithes included).

If it was irrelevant, as you insist, then Jesus would NOT have addressed it. He said; "You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." Their OVERALL attitude was not acceptable to Jesus, i.e.; legalistic vs. compassionate. Jesus didn't abolish the Levitical priesthood, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD did that as they were no longer needed.

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus didn't abolish the Levitical priesthood, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD did that as they were no longer needed.

Who do you think determined the destruction in 70 AD? And why?

 

[jasonc]

Again, these are principles communicated to these men by God. I'm not sure why you bring this up as it has nothing to do with tithing?
Torah is the Hebrew word for the Pentateuch that Moses wrote. The oral torah only happened prior to the Babylonian exile of 586-530 BC. It didn't exist in Abrahams day.
The first mention of an altar is in Genesis 8. I don't know where you see 'altar' in Gen 3?

what is the midrash? the Mishnah.

I guess I have to be silly. the torah is the Hebrew word for instruction. what instructions did god tell adam and eve to eat in the garden.
how on earth without genesis being written did the Egyptian handmaids fear god if the Hebrews didn't tell them anything about God that they were told and taught by their parents. if they did have a written account, kindly show me the pre genesis genesis. mose not anyone else wrote genesis, he wrote down the account as he heard it or was told by god. he knew to circumcise his sons and yet nearly died for not circumcising his younger. yet where is WRITTEN prior to that mentioning of that in exodus that he was to circumcise? its in the account of genesis.

well that makes me want to get the mjaa podcasts even more.