Islam Is Of The Devil

[Free]

Yes, just like the crusades, oh and the inquisition, oh and the Nazis. People have committed atrocities while claiming to be Christian too. No human group is exempt from evil and the same criticism you're giving can be thrown right back at us.

One significant difference is that Jesus taught non-violence and Christianity initially spread through peaceful means, through the truth of what was taught, whereas Islam initially spread through violence, initiated by its founder.

"When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice." -John 10:4
"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." -John 10:16

I take this together with my favourite parable, the parable of the workers in the vineyard. The reason it's my favourite is because it's an example of Jesus turning everything you might think on its head.

"Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you.15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’16 So the last will be first, and the first last.” -Matthew 20:14-16

The key principle is that not everyone gets what they deserve. None of us do. I don't make distinctions based on culture or geography. We are all human and we are all one in Christ. We are also all sinners equally. I have lived among Muslims i the Middle East. My father works with Hindus and Buddhists. There are many good, moral, ethical people among them. Most importantly though, anyone can be led by the Holy Spirit, and if you see the fruit of someone's life, you can tell if the Holy Spirit is at work on them. Remember from back in John 10. The sheep know his voice and they follow him. They do not need to be of the same culture or same system of beliefs in order to be under grace and in order for the Holy Spirit to work through them. We are all one under God and Christ. This doesn't diminish the message of the cross. The grace is available to those people too, and it is manifest through the work of the Holy Spirit.

Firstly, context is very important:

John 10:1-6, 1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. 7 So Jesus again said to them,"Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." (ESV)

What we see then even here, is that Jesus is "the door," that no one will be saved if they do not enter by him. This agrees with what he says later in John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (ESV). So just how does one enter through that door? We look at some other things that are said. Consider Peter and Paul for example:

Acts 2:37-38, 37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" 38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (ESV)

Romans 10:9-13, 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (ESV)

So we can see that in the least, one must repent, "confess...Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead," in order to be saved. And even more than that, verse 13 is a quote from Joel 2:32a: "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." Note that in Joel, "LORD" is Yahweh. It is likely then that Paul is saying in verse 9 that one must confess Jesus is God. Being "good, moral and ethical" does not mean that one is being led by the Holy Spirit or is saved.

All that to say I don't know how one can belong to a belief system which rejects the deity of Jesus or his death and physical resurrection, or both, and yet that person be considered to be being led by the Holy Spirit. Of course one could become saved within one of those belief systems and be trying to find a way out without losing their life, but in no way can one hold both the teachings of Christianity and the teachings of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism to be true.

Secondly, we are all human and we all have sinned, but in no way are we all one in Christ. The NT makes it clear that only those who are believers are one in Christ. Maybe that's what you were saying but it comes across as though all humanity is one in Christ.

 

[th1b.taylor]

One thing to note is that he said we need to love others, which is distinct from loving what they believe.

Before I fell off the side of the truck and was diagnosed with Sevier MS, every Muslim in the company knew Bill Taylor was a Professing Christian because the love of the Lost Man moved me to testify to them in the Driver's Lounge. But loving the man does not mean his religion is not evil. There are Arab Christians and they are cool but every follower of Islam must support Jahad and Jahad means murdering Jew3s and Christians. But it does not stop there, they "must" also murder Buddhists and all others that will not convert to Islam. Islam is pure evil, period.

 

[turnorburn]

What i would like to know is why do people think this is a religion of peace, and just what is their definition for peace. We hear a name "The Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem" it has a certain ring to it wouldn't you say, i see a grand parade with his coach being drawn by Lipizzaner Stallions don't you, that is until you read his epitaph

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem died on July 4th, 1974. Over the course of his 80-year life, the Palestinian Islamic religious and political leader conspired to slaughter over six-million Jews. He was among the most evil men whoever lived..

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Clubs_Supreme_Muslim_Council.Islam

tob

 

[th1b.taylor]

What i would like to know is why do people think this is a religion of peace, and just what is their definition for peace. We hear a name "The Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem" it has a certain ring to it wouldn't you say, i see a grand parade with his coach being drawn by Lipizzaner Stallions don't you, that is until you read his epitaph

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem died on July 4th, 1974. Over the course of his 80-year life, the Palestinian Islamic religious and political leader conspired to slaughter over six-million Jews. He was among the most evil men whoever lived..

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Clubs_Supreme_Muslim_Council.Islam

tob

tob,
I know when I ask folks to study I am guilty of expecting to much of them but I never made the ninth grade and I love to learn... I just cannot understand why people choose to comment on a thing without studying. Even the scriptures advise us to keep our mouths shut so that people will think us wise.

But folks like you and I are not well thought of... we keep going against the PC stream.

 

[Tristan]

Yes, Jesus is the one single way. There are two things to note here. Jesus' death is for everyone:

"This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." -1 Timothy 2:3-6

The grace through the blood of Jesus is the only way to be saved, yes, and God is the final judge (keeping in mind they are manifestations of the same entity.) Nothing I'm bringing up goes against that at all.

What are the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit." -Galatians 5:22-25

Are you saying there are no nonbelievers that can possible exemplify that? Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work through everyone? I'd like to see where that is written. I feel these threads are leapfrogging each other and I'd rather not copy-paste.

I'm not going to get into Muslim beliefs. I'm a Christian. What I defend is their right to salvation through Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. I defend their right to be godly.

@TOB: You and I are just as evil as the one who kills 6 million of anyone. We are not to pass judgment on one another because we are all sinners...nobody is worse off than someone else.

 

[turnorburn]

When Lewis started this thread it was his intent to reprove the works of darkness, you'll have to help me here Lewis, I'm thinking that's why you started it? Its in the title "Islam is of the devil" yes or no, we've shown it to be yes in the affirmative. When someone says that those that live in darkness are accepted in the beloved that's wrong that's 180 degrees wrong. There is no salvation in the works of darkness, only death and destruction lie in its path...

tob

 

[Tristan]

"Therefore you have fno excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and jpatience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed." -Romans 2:1-5

Islam is not of the devil by the logic presented. By that same logic, Christianity is of the devil. What heresy. You and I are not in position to judge who is living in darkness and who isn't. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

[Sparkey]

Would it be "love" to allow others to believe that they will be rewarded for their religious acts? Some religions pretend that they are pleasing to God. The Christ was very specific about that. So is the Bible. Our "righteousness" is as filthy rags. Jesus is not one of the many ways, not one of many doors, not one of many truths.

Those who deny the son, also deny the Father and it doesn't matter what the believe regarding angels, creation, and etcetera beliefs don't satisfy the upright requirement of the law.

All that He saves understand that He paid their debt on the cross and died on their behalf. Each entrance to heaven needs to accept the sacrifice of the sinless one and understand that Jesus is the only begotton son of God.

 

[Free]

Yes, Jesus is the one single way. There are two things to note here. Jesus' death is for everyone:

"This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." -1 Timothy 2:3-6

The grace through the blood of Jesus is the only way to be saved, yes, and God is the final judge (keeping in mind they are manifestations of the same entity.) Nothing I'm bringing up goes against that at all.

Just to be clear, yes, Jesus' death and resurrection make salvation available to all, but as the passages I provided previously show, only those who actually believe certain things have that salvation given to them. In this case, Islam rejects the deity of Christ as well as his death and resurrection. The Christ of Islam is not the Christ of Christianity. There is therefore no salvation by adhering to the ways and teachings of Islam.

What are the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit." -Galatians 5:22-25

Are you saying there are no nonbelievers that can possible exemplify that? Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work through everyone? I'd like to see where that is written. I feel these threads are leapfrogging each other and I'd rather not copy-paste.

I'm not going to get into Muslim beliefs. I'm a Christian. What I defend is their right to salvation through Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. I defend their right to be godly.

Anyone can show any of those virtues but that does not mean that they are saved nor indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Of course Muslims have the right to salvation through Jesus, no one is debating that, but first they have to acknowledge his deity and his death and resurrection, at a minimum based on what I have presented. They would then of course no longer be Muslims but Christians, followers of Christ.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes, Jesus is the one single way. There are two things to note here. Jesus' death is for everyone:

"This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." -1 Timothy 2:3-6

The grace through the blood of Jesus is the only way to be saved, yes, and God is the final judge (keeping in mind they are manifestations of the same entity.) Nothing I'm bringing up goes against that at all.

What are the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit." -Galatians 5:22-25

Are you saying there are no nonbelievers that can possible exemplify that? Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work through everyone? I'd like to see where that is written. I feel these threads are leapfrogging each other and I'd rather not copy-paste.

I'm not going to get into Muslim beliefs. I'm a Christian. What I defend is their right to salvation through Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. I defend their right to be godly.

@TOB: You and I are just as evil as the one who kills 6 million of anyone. We are not to pass judgment on one another because we are all sinners...nobody is worse off than someone else.

It is impossible not to judge people and live for God. Your defense of Islam is the perfect example. Islam is not a people! Islam is pure evil and those that follow it foll0ow Satan, period. That required me to discern (Judge) the truth. As I have repeated already, Tristan, you need to study the whole Bible. I believe you have a good heart but you are deceived. You want God to save everyone and the truth is that there are to many Pharaohs in the world for that to happen. They have hardened their hearts and God has hardened their heart further and they will die and go t0o Hell.

 

[reba]

Here are the six core beliefs of Islam. Tell me that they are so drastically different from us:

1) There is one God.
2) God created angels.
3) There are prophets of God
4) Truth is revealed through written books.
5) There will be a day of judgment
6) God has a divine will that is manifest in the universe.

You can't take the extremists and make them the norm. Their God is our God.

Our God has a Son . Their god is not my God.

1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[reba]

KiwidanI do not understand your post.

 

[Free]

I dont make much sense sometimes. All i was trying to say is why would God want to trick people into following Jesus, and not stop Paul and the gospels. And then randomly centurys later give some final revelation. It does not add up. lol.

It makes everything on both side contradict and pointless.

Quite correct. And then we would have no reason for stopping there. We would have to give legitimacy to every supposed new revelation from God, such as Joseph Smith's claims.

 

[reba]

got it Kiwidan

 

[th1b.taylor]

Edit cause confusion.

Dan,
I just opened your post in my email and you must have posted without reading the string and that can always be dangerous. It might also be that you have been hidden in a cave for the past thirteen years but, somehow, I don't believe that. Your post was not proper for the context of this string and not at all relevant to the title of this conversation. Nobody has suggested that the lost Arab be regarded as anything other than a lost person. This discussion was and is about Islam and the truth is that Jesus taught that He is "the" way and that there is no other way and that makes every religion evil.

The sad truth is that Jesus did not come for the religious, if He had, the Jews of the Sanhedran, certinly, filled that bill. I often come under assault for teaching that the religion of Christianity is as good as any other religion for getting one into Hell but that is the truth. The Son of God died for our sins that we might have a relationship with Him and any good study of the Bible He taught from and the Life Application Commentary He inspired to be appended to it will teach any saved man that truth.

In summary, Islam, Christianity and all religions are evil. I am a practicing Christian and I even go to a Baptist Church to gather together to practice my preformed religion but that does nothing to keep me out of Hell, my following Jesus, as the Holy Spirit leads me, is my salvation because I am an evil but forgiven man that has turned his life to the God led service, in His name.

I stumbled onto a web site one day and found 164 sutras of the Qur'an that called for the death, particularly of every Jew and every follower of the Book, that's me. I immediately downloaded a copy of the Qur'an from an Islamic site and, sure enough, the evil is primary to their scriptures, if I may presume to call such a polluted buntch of evil scriptures. It is told us in God's Word to study that we not be led astray and that, sir, is my prayer, that you will study.

 

[th1b.taylor]

God is perfect and Just from beginning to end, and Jesus is the only one who has expressed that and the gospels try to explain. No other faith or religion that i have studied has a God that is Perfect and Just from beginning to end in there text, only the NT.

So is the word corrupt?. Maybe somewhere in there, i dont know. Suppose thats what study is for.

Finding the right path and truth.

I could go athiest and take the easy way out, just believe the living comes from the non living and that the big bang is a cause that somehow come from a non cause without reason.

Ouch!! I do now pray that you are not deceived so much as to not know which Bible Jesus taught from. There was no New Testament for Him to teach Peter, Paul and the others from.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I dont make much sense sometimes. All i was trying to say is why would God want to trick people into following Jesus, and not stop Paul and the gospels. And then randomly centurys later give some final revelation. It does not add up. lol.

It makes everything on both side contradict and pointless if that was the case.

Just read this, I pulled my gun to fast?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thats why i always edit or delete because sometimes, lets say most of the time, i do make mistakes. As you said i may have posted without reading the strings and that can be dangerous.

Forgive me world for sometimes i am wrong.

I'll do that if you forgive the grumpy old man as he hops off the field on one leg suffering with Foot In Mouth disease.

 

[Tristan]

Here's a way to put it bluntly: I don't believe belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation.

The only way to salvation is through the message of Jesus (what he represents)...his death as propitiation for our sins.

 

[turnorburn]

tob