Islam Is Of The Devil

[Sparkey]

"And he [the Angel of the LORD] said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai."

The book of Genesis speaks of origins. We have heard the promise made to Abraham. That promise was indeed made by Our God, none other.

~Sparrow

 

[Sparkey]

Here's a way to put it bluntly: I don't believe belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation.

The only way to salvation is through the message of Jesus (what he represents)...his death as propitiation for our sins.

How can sin be covered by the sinful. There is a need for justice to be satisfied and Jesus is truly the foundation block of anything and everything that shall endure. Without him? There is no entrance for He is the Door as well as The Way.

He is the Word of God and those who know that also understand that there is no shadow of turning in God. Nothing to grab onto, nothing to use as leverage in order to turn him, not so much as a shadow of something that can be used to turn Him. Nothing whatsoever.

How then may we try to turn God from His Plan to save the world through the righteous and compassionate acts of His Son, our propitiation (our covering)? You've heard it before, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son..."

Answer: There is no shadow of turning there. No need for anything that has not been provided. The need remains for us to accept the gift and sadly some will not.

~Sparrow

 

[turnorburn]

The information on The Muslim Brotherhood In America is something i just found, haven't watched any of these presentations as my speakers aren't working..

The overview:

By allowing our attention to be focused exclusively on the danger and prevention of terrorism, we ignore the many other ways we are being attacked. This series is an introduction to 'civilization jihad', a form of warfare that employs manipulative financial techniques, lawfare, infiltration of our civil institutions and government and insidious information dominance.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america/

tob

 

[Free]

Here's a way to put it bluntly: I don't believe belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation.

The only way to salvation is through the message of Jesus (what he represents)...his death as propitiation for our sins.

The "message of Jesus," or at least the part that concerns this discussion, is that believing in him is the only way to salvation (see John 3:14-18 and John 14:5-7, for example). This is reaffirmed again throughout the NT. Who Jesus is, and believing in who he is, is central to salvation. His sacrifice is only meaningful precisely because he is God, something Islam very much denies.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Please show me how it's out of context. I don't see anything else in the rest of the passage that contradicts that. I didn't post the whole thing for the sake of brevity. I'm not pigeon-holing it either. There are other scriptures too...I just feel that saying the same thing in 5 threads is repetitive. Maybe that's just me. Also... I don't see how the Bible is worthless with my perspective. Without it I have nothing but logic and philosophy. It's entirely grounded in philosophy. I think what may be in order is a large post in its own thread that outlines my beliefs.

I'm not following this: "You seem to be stuck in the Commentary on the Bible Jesus taught from and you need to study the Complete Word of God." It doesn't make sense to me. I don't take the whole Bible 100% literally, and I interpret what is written there in the context of 3 things: 1) The rest of scripture 2) Philosophy and logic 3) The universe God created. I think the reason there may be some confusion here is because nobody actually understands the framework for my system of beliefs.

What I've learned from my discussions so far is that I need to explain what I believe so that people understand the framework that my beliefs rest on.

I also don't feel you're addressing my points, instead resorting to personal arguments. Address my arguments, not my style, please.

Tristan,
I'm sorry, I missed a couple of your posts. I do feel you are in serious trouble and need to repent. No, I am not addressing you point for point. I'm going to the meat of the issue and ignoring the fat.

So, to the meat. You have stated that you do not believe portions of scripture. Easy, yes you did when you said you do not believe Jesus spoke the truth when He said He was "the" way meaning there is no other way to enter into Heaven. By stating you do not believe this truth you have called Jesus a liar or you have called the Bible a liar and both of those assumptions feed directly into heresy. Here you are guilty of teaching the same many paths into Heaven that Rick Warren has taught on National TV on the Larry King Show.

As for you seeming to be stuck in the Commentary and ignoring the Bible, yu might want to try reading what I said again and consider the context. The Bible that Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and all of the Disciples taught from is the first 39 books of the Christian Bible. The New Testament is composed of their, God inspired, comments on that 39 books.

Now, this many paths ideology: This is the One World Religion the Bible teaches against, it is heresy.

 

[Tristan]

If I wasn't so serious a person, I would find this quite funny.

I believe everything in scripture. That said, my interpretation has to stand up to different forms of scrutiny. I take this moment to quote Galileo: "I do not believe the same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, intended us to forgo their use." I don't take everything I read at face value as if it has to be superficial, easy and simple. This is a God of infinite depth. The message may be simple, but how we arrive at it is not.

Jesus is not a liar. Are you joking? Why would I call myself a Christian and dare say Christ is a liar? That's just silly.

When you communicate, is everything you say literal and simple? If so, you must live a simple life. There is always a meaning behind what someone says. Very rarely are things quite as simple or in the case of many fundamentalists...black...or...white! My God is incredibly intelligent, and therefore the existence of everything is nuanced with meaning. Careful meaning. There are shades of grey everywhere (well over 50!).

All of this derives from a fundamental misunderstanding of what I believe. There is one way to heaven, and that is through Christ, but that does not mean that you have to accept Christianity to be saved. (The sparks fly.) Acceptance is an action, and we don't believe in works based salvation, right? Remember that Christ died for everyone. The whole world. His death and resurrection. The gospel. That is what Jesus is! Jesus and his life on Earth are directly about our salvation. God is love. Jesus is love. So if your heart is full of love, you are speaking about Jesus without actually saying his name. You are speaking the language of love. You are led by the Holy Spirit.

"The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks." -Luke 6:45

I have long considered the context. I've looked behind the words into what God/Jesus is really speaking about and what I see is a gospel of love that's accessible to everyone. Your belief in God doesn't save you:

"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" James 2:19

The demons believe in God. They know his gospel is true, but that doesn't save them, does it? Your belief in the message of salvation doesn't save you either...because the demons believe it too. Be very careful before calling me a heretic. I am grounded not only in scripture, but in philosophy and science, where I can defend my beliefs as well. The only one I fear is the Lord himself.

Nonbelievers are open to salvation if they allow the Holy Spirit to work in them. That is the purpose of Jesus and the gospel of salvation. So I will be completely clear here. God loves Muslims, and there will be some in the kingdom.

 

[Sparkey]

"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" James 2:19

That is one of the most profound scriptures I know. There is much to chew on here.

 

[Tristan]

Further:

"And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee." -2 Corinthians 1:21+22

"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," -Ephesians 1:13

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." -Ephesians 4:30

"saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”" -Revelation 7:3

The Lord speaks to us through the Holy Spirit. Even if the word does not spread verbally to us through someone else, God is in all of us and calls each of us. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit on our foreheads...in our minds. What distinguishes those who are saved from those who aren't, is the seal of God (as opposed to the mark of the beast). All of this is done through the Holy Spirit (which is still God and Jesus). I will not exempt anyone from the grace of Jesus Christ. God is the final judge through the work of the Holy Spirit.

 

[reba]

Nonbelievers are open to salvation if they allow the Holy Spirit to work in them. That is the purpose of Jesus and the gospel of salvation. So I will be completely clear here. God loves Muslims, and there will be some in the kingdom.

A question what do you mean by the word muslim?

 

[Tristan]

Someone who believes in the fundamental principles as I outlined in my first post here.

 

[reba]

Here are the six core beliefs of Islam. Tell me that they are so drastically different from us:

1) There is one God.
2) God created angels.
3) There are prophets of God
4) Truth is revealed through written books.
5) There will be a day of judgment
6) God has a divine will that is manifest in the universe.

You can't take the extremists and make them the norm. Their God is our God.

Here are the six core beliefs of Islam. Tell me that they are so drastically different from us:

1) There is one God.

The Christian God has a Son.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

2) God created angels.
3) There are prophets of God

agree

4) Truth is revealed through written books.

the Truth is reveled in Christ. He is Truth

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

5) There will be a day of judgment
6) God has a divine will that is manifest in the universe.

yup
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You can't take the extremists and make them the norm. Their God is our God.

You may serve their god that is your choice.

 

[Free]

Further:

"And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee." -2 Corinthians 1:21+22

"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," -Ephesians 1:13

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." -Ephesians 4:30

"saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”" -Revelation 7:3

The Lord speaks to us through the Holy Spirit. Even if the word does not spread verbally to us through someone else, God is in all of us and calls each of us. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit on our foreheads...in our minds. What distinguishes those who are saved from those who aren't, is the seal of God (as opposed to the mark of the beast). All of this is done through the Holy Spirit (which is still God and Jesus). I will not exempt anyone from the grace of Jesus Christ. God is the final judge through the work of the Holy Spirit.

This is, of course, speaking about those who are believers, those who have already repented, confessed Jesus is Lord, and believed that he died and rose again. This precludes Muslims.

 

[Tristan]

Ah, but the actions themselves are not the issue here. You can deny Christ in the words, but if he is in your heart, you are not denying anything. Remember that Peter denied Christ 3 times in his words. He is forgiven, just like we are. I'm not concerned with outward appearances. I don't care what you claim to be or who you say you follow. I look for the fruit of the Spirit. If I see that in someone, then they are not denying Christ in their heart, and that is where God looks. Remember that belief or disbelief is not the deciding factor, because if that was the case, we would have some demons in heaven!

Here, let's take your verses in 2 John 1. He is the partaker of evil works. How can someone filled with the Spirit be a partaker of evil work? Your actions are a reflection of the state of your heart. Go to the verse before those two:

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. " -2 John 1:9

Again, God cares about what's in heart. Can Muslims abide in the teachings of Christ without recognizing it? Certainly! God's will is manifest in everyone and everything. Who's to say that the Holy Spirit cannot do its work in someone not of the same belief system as us? Remember that all are called, so all are influenced by the Holy Spirit.

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,

and write them on their hearts,

and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people." -Hebrews 8:10

To be clear, again, NO, this message is NOT only for believers. Unbelief is a sin that can has been forgiven, like all the rest. The ONLY eternal sin is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit...which rather conveniently is explained by those who choose to reject its work in our lives. The Holy Spirit is the key here.

 

[th1b.taylor]

If I wasn't so serious a person, I would find this quite funny.

Tristan,
Being catty is never constructive and you "funny" remark has nothing to do with the subjest, leaving it in the catty category and the usual reason for remaks of this type are to draw anger and thereby justify angery exchange. (Not Christian.)

I believe everything in scripture. That said, my interpretation has to stand up to different forms of scrutiny. I take this moment to quote Galileo: "I do not believe the same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, intended us to forgo their use." I don't take everything I read at face value as if it has to be superficial, easy and simple. This is a God of infinite depth. The message may be simple, but how we arrive at it is not.

If you believe everything God has had recorded then you must believe what Jesus said when He said, He was the way. He did not say He was one way nor did He say He was a way, He was very specific, He is the way meaning He is the only way and He bothered to make that point more than once.

From Genesis 1:1 through the very last Amen of Revelation 22 God has emphasised points by repeating them elsewhere in His Word. God did not put quotes for emphasis not did He underline, He repeated and while it is essential to pay attention to "all" of His Word, when He emphasizes a point by saying it twice we, really, need to pay attention and points made three times, we had better listen close. (Yes, I teach Sunday School and I teach the Bible, on the www and in person.)

The scriptures do not include one item that is superficial and that may be the root of your error. I, on the other hand do not attempt to determine what is important in the scriptures, I rely completely on the Holy Ghost leading me there and study only in prayer and submission. You comments, when grouped together demonstrate, at the very least, a lack of the leading of the Holy Spirit and all that you have replied, thus far is, either, New Testament or Ndew Covenant Christian teachings. Of course, there is no such an animal as either, there are Christians, Lost Men and Pretenders. Any division of the church of the Christ is not of God, this is, at best, of men.

Now, I have been spoken to by God in a number of ways, to include that, still small voice, and I have had to learn a good bit of three languages but God has never asked me to translate His scriptures and I'm suspecting He has not asked you to either. What you are doing is failing to allow the scripture to speak to you but you are, without the leading of the Spirit, adding and subtracting to and from the Word of God. Three times, once in the Penteteuch, and one other (I forget where) in the Word, God forbid us, under the worse possible penalty, to never do that.

I, like Galileo, try to get folks to think, so many have just taken one or more of the lies taught by the smooth talking Ear Ticklers and use the lies for a new gospel, such as the one you are teaching here.

Jesus is not a liar. Are you joking? Why would I call myself a Christian and dare say Christ is a liar? That's just silly.

Reread the passage where Jesus stated that He was the way and the gate because when you preach or teach that there are other ways to Heaven, you are calling Him a liar, He clearly pointed out that none may enter into Heaven but through Him.

When you communicate, is everything you say literal and simple? If so, you must live a simple life. There is always a meaning behind what someone says. Very rarely are things quite as simple or in the case of many fundamentalists...black...or...white! My God is incredibly intelligent, and therefore the existence of everything is nuanced with meaning. Careful meaning. There are shades of grey everywhere (well over 50!).

I'm going to need to translate and that is dangerous but you are not ca\ear here.

What I have to say is of no import, the Bible, onb the other hand is, it's the Word of god and it matters. The day before I was indwelt I was doing my best to translate what the Bible had to say, just as you have indicated you are doing, that next night the Hoy spirit vercam e me and every word I( read made perfect sense and my interpretation was completely wrong.

What I'm trying to get you to do is to do a spiritual inventory of yourself, ift might be revealing.

 

[Tristan]

Oh please. Catty?

He IS the way. He IS the only way. Without his death, we are still bound by the old Law...the law of works and we are all doomed to death. Jesus death is necessary as propitiation for our sins, and the new Law is one of love. It is one of being filled with the Holy Spirit. All of that is possible because of Christ. What you're preaching is works based. You have to believe (which is a verb...an action). You have to accept (which is a verb, an action). This not a works based religion. It is about the work of the Holy Spirit...which IS Christ.

You're asking me not to interpret and instead to just take it all at face value which undermines what I've been trying to get at. The Bible is not a textbook. It's not meant to be read 100% literally. God, like any other effective communicator, uses different means to communicate aside from straight, literal word for word belief. He uses symbolism and metaphor. You will find a greater meaning to his parables. God didn't give me a brain so that I could just read and absorb his word like a sponge and believe it without thinking about it. This is a deep, complex, massive God. The core of his message is simple, but there is plenty of meat to chew and digest if you're willing to delve in.

Um...and you're assuming I'm not being led by the Holy Spirit? Proclaiming that we should love everyone and that the salvation of Christ is for all. You haven't presented anything that demonstrates to me that what I preach is evil. You accuse me of blasphemy (along with many other accusations and judgments), but you do not present to me proper evidence. These are personal attacks, because you have been unable to refute me. Nobody has actually addressed my points. You just keep reposting your point of view and criticizing mine. It's the same thing I've experienced with nonbelievers. They behave in the same manner. Ignore what the other person says, attack them, and keep repeating yourself.

You don't know what God has asked me, you're right. Yet you tell me that God is absent from me? Yes, let's reject the products of God's universe, like reason, philosophy, nature, etc. Only literal interpretation of scripture (one product of God) is the way to go. I'm sorry, but I don't throw my brain out the window in order to be a Christian.

The Holy Spirit does speak to me, just like he speaks to you and everyone else. He calls all of us. You know what he has impressed upon me? That we should love everyone, no matter who they are and what they believe. That is how we emulate Christ. Radical love. Unconditional love, like God has for us. God loved the whole world! Not just a few. There is no distinction. You, me, and the Hindu down the corner are one. We are all under the grace of God and because of the death of Christ and the fulfillment of the first covenant, we are now bound by a law of love and of faith.

Nobody enters the heavenly gates unless they go through Christ? I have good news for you! Christ came and fulfilled the first covenant so that we are no longer bound by the Law of works. Because of him, we now have access to heaven! Where before it was impossible, now it IS possible! Praise the Lord!

What if the Holy Spirit has called me to prophesy to the world and to my fellow believers? What am I preaching? Complete unity. Unconditional and unquestioned love for mankind. Salvation for mankind. Being led by the Holy Spirit. None of these things are evil or wrong.

This is not about division, it's about unity. You're seeking to divide us all into factions. That's God's job, not mine or yours. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Oh please. Catty?

He IS the way. He IS the only way. Without his death, we are still bound by the old Law...the law of works and we are all doomed to death. Jesus death is necessary as propitiation for our sins, and the new Law is one of love. It is one of being filled with the Holy Spirit. All of that is possible because of Christ. What you're preaching is works based. You have to believe (which is a verb...an action). You have to accept (which is a verb, an action). This not a works based religion. It is about the work of the Holy Spirit...which IS Christ.

You're asking me not to interpret and instead to just take it all at face value which undermines what I've been trying to get at. The Bible is not a textbook. It's not meant to be read 100% literally. God, like any other effective communicator, uses different means to communicate aside from straight, literal word for word belief. He uses symbolism and metaphor. You will find a greater meaning to his parables. God didn't give me a brain so that I could just read and absorb his word like a sponge and believe it without thinking about it. This is a deep, complex, massive God. The core of his message is simple, but there is plenty of meat to chew and digest if you're willing to delve in.

Um...and you're assuming I'm not being led by the Holy Spirit? Proclaiming that we should love everyone and that the salvation of Christ is for all. You haven't presented anything that demonstrates to me that what I preach is evil. You accuse me of blasphemy (along with many other accusations and judgments), but you do not present to me proper evidence. These are personal attacks, because you have been unable to refute me. Nobody has actually addressed my points. You just keep reposting your point of view and criticizing mine. It's the same thing I've experienced with nonbelievers. They behave in the same manner. Ignore what the other person says, attack them, and keep repeating yourself.

You don't know what God has asked me, you're right. Yet you tell me that God is absent from me? Yes, let's reject the products of God's universe, like reason, philosophy, nature, etc. Only literal interpretation of scripture (one product of God) is the way to go. I'm sorry, but I don't throw my brain out the window in order to be a Christian.

The Holy Spirit does speak to me, just like he speaks to you and everyone else. He calls all of us. You know what he has impressed upon me? That we should love everyone, no matter who they are and what they believe. That is how we emulate Christ. Radical love. Unconditional love, like God has for us. God loved the whole world! Not just a few. There is no distinction. You, me, and the Hindu down the corner are one. We are all under the grace of God and because of the death of Christ and the fulfillment of the first covenant, we are now bound by a law of love and of faith.

Nobody enters the heavenly gates unless they go through Christ? I have good news for you! Christ came and fulfilled the first covenant so that we are no longer bound by the Law of works. Because of him, we now have access to heaven! Where before it was impossible, now it IS possible! Praise the Lord!

What if the Holy Spirit has called me to prophesy to the world and to my fellow believers? What am I preaching? Complete unity. Unconditional and unquestioned love for mankind. Salvation for mankind. Being led by the Holy Spirit. None of these things are evil or wrong.

This is not about division, it's about unity. You're seeking to divide us all into factions. That's God's job, not mine or yours. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

Tristan,
You are good at beating a dead horse and with many lashes. Please, read what you have posted. The Word of God is the Living Word, it is not dead and it is not like a good mystery. You have said the "you" are either interpreting or translating the Word and that is not a requirement for the Living Word, it interprets itself when the Spirit is present.

You will notice, of course, that I have begun to attempt to draw you to the essential point by ignoring the distractions.

God loves everyone on this planet, truth, but few there will be that will be in Heaven, also biblical truth. The Mosaic Law is extremely essential to any Christian because it is the perfect word picture of Jesus and we are, as His followers to immulate Him as closely as we can, otherwise we are lost.

An Islamic, you keep confusing them with Muslims, also believes in Jesus, a different Jesus. The Jesus they believe in is the Lieutenant of the 12th Imam, not the Christ, they do not believe He is God. Are they loved, yes, even by me but they are commanded 164 times by their false god to murder me, you, the Jew and just about everyone else. Just look at the trouble in Israel, God loves them but they love a god of Mohammed's creation. They can be save but they will not be saved believing in a man made god.

 

[Tristan]

Who's to say that my interpretation is not something that is presented by the Spirit through me? I'm a messenger, this is not something derived of me. I didn't make it up. It is something that has been revealed to me over time and I am to pass it on to others so that the Lord's work can continue.

No, the Mosaic Law was nailed to the cross. It has been fulfilled:

"But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code." -Romans 7:6

"The Jesus they believe in is the Lieutenant of the 12th Imam, not the Christ, they do not believe He is God. Are they loved, yes, even by me but they are commanded 164 times by their false god to murder me, you, the Jew and just about everyone else." UTTERLY wrong. Slanderous and disparaging, I daresay: http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/61-why-do-muslims-kill-infidels They seem to have issues with people taking verses out of their scriptures as well. No, I don't agree with them in everything...but I don't need to. My job is to love them, just as I love you. I'm not here to judge them or condemn them. The fruit of the Spirit is not hatred and condemnation, it is love, joy, peace, patience, etc. When you tell 1 billion followers of Islam that their beliefs are of the DEVIL and they they are all going to Hell, you are not being loving. You're making them angry by being inflammatory, and doing so knowing full well what it will cause.

I don't even care if their perception of God is wrong. His Spirit can still work through them, and good can come of them. Don't take the extremists and assume that ALL of their followers are like that.

Let me give you a historical example that has a section in scripture too. The Romans were not nice people. They were pagan, violent, and all committed all sorts of vile acts. I'd say they were probably as barbaric as the "barbarians"...if not more so. Did Jesus ever say something bad about them? They even crucified him. All he did was ask his Father to forgive them. If we are to emulate Christ, we are to show love to others no matter what.

Don't start talking about a religion you don't know the truth about. I've lived among Muslims, and I have a general understanding of their system of beliefs. I can talk about them, and I will defend them. Some of them are truly good people, and this is the Holy Spirit at work. We share much and that is what I focus on when I spend time with them. Love is the most important, and that is what I preach.

Here, let me go over some of their beliefs with you...next post...(in the context of Christianity of course. I don't promote their beliefs. I just want to show you the parallels.)

 

[Tristan]

There are 5 attitudes that represent Islam:

Surrender, submission, obedience, sincerity, and peace. All of these come from giving yourself up to God and his will. On the particular site I've retrieved this information from, they liken it to the Lord's prayer "your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven." Muslims consider the term "Islam" to refer to a way of life. A manner in which you can live in a balance with God's creation. They strive to put the 'unity' back in universe. Does our perception of God differ from this? Does our God not want us to be united and to live in harmony with his creation?

They do differ in terms of salvation. You can almost put them together with the Jews in that they still adhere to a system of laws as the key to salvation. It may not be correct, but the Holy Spirit can still work through them. If we see the fruit of the Spirit, we know it is at work in others. This is why I believe that one can be saved without having to verbally claim they are a Christian. They are saved by the blood of Christ, and if they can live by the Holy Spirit, their salvation is in the hands of God. They confess Christ in their kindness and love for others. Whenever they say something uplifting and encouraging, they are confessing Christ. Whenever they show love for someone else through their actions (which are an overflow of their heart), they are confessing and believing in Christ. Unbelief is a sin, but it is not an eternal sin.

Is this what your itching ears want to hear?

Source page

 

[Tristan]

 

[th1b.taylor]

Who's to say that my interpretation is not something that is presented by the Spirit through me? I'm a messenger, this is not something derived of me. I didn't make it up. It is something that has been revealed to me over time and I am to pass it on to others so that the Lord's work can continue.

There are quite a list of verses to answer this but two should do here.
Matt. 13:11
Due. 29:29

No, the Mosaic Law was nailed to the cross. It has been fulfilled:

Matt. 5:17 Jesus did not remove the Mosaic Law, He never intended anyone to be saved by the works of the Law, nor was anyone. Anyone that has ever been saved is saved by faith in Jesus and by none other. And Jesus is the God of all the Bible, Olod and New Testaments. And as I have mentioned and you seem to have ignored (Mal. 3:6a) our God is the "never"changing God, He is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow.

"But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code." -Romans 7:6

All of Romans 2, paying close attention to vs:15-20 the Law is written on your heart and you live, no man was ever meant to be saved by the Law, the Law points us to Jesus, who is God, the Son, creator of all that is.
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"The Jesus they believe in is the Lieutenant of the 12th Imam, not the Christ, they do not believe He is God. Are they loved, yes, even by me but they are commanded 164 times by their false god to murder me, you, the Jew and just about everyone else." UTTERLY wrong. Slanderous and disparaging, I daresay: http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/61-why-do-muslims-kill-infidels They seem to have issues with people taking verses out of their scriptures as well. No, I don't agree with them in everything...but I don't need to. My job is to love them, just as I love you. I'm not here to judge them or condemn them. The fruit of the Spirit is not hatred and condemnation, it is love, joy, peace, patience, etc. When you tell 1 billion followers of Islam that their beliefs are of the DEVIL and they they are all going to Hell, you are not being loving. You're making them angry by being inflammatory, and doing so knowing full well what it will cause.[/quote]
When Jesus stood in front of the Sanhedrin, He was hated and yet He told them the complete truth and He loved them in spite of themselves but they will be sent to Hell at the Great White Throne Judgement. And once again, we are taught to become like Jesus, He is the Judge and will rule with a rod of iron, not a cushy feather. And how can you deny what Mohamed recorded in their Qur'an 164 times and then tell me I know not of which I speak. Unlike yourself I bothered to search the web and I bothered to get a copy of their book and to check it out. I do not care what propaganda they post. It is basic to their religion that any lie that fools the infidel (you and me) and furthers the goal of Islam is not a lie to their god and is justified.

Study man.

I don't even care if their perception of God is wrong. His Spirit can still work through them, and good can come of them. Don't take the extremists and assume that ALL of their followers are like that.

They, every one of them support Jihad, the Qur'an demands it, again, study.

Let me give you a historical example that has a section in scripture too. The Romans were not nice people. They were pagan, violent, and all committed all sorts of vile acts. I'd say they were probably as barbaric as the "barbarians"...if not more so. Did Jesus ever say something bad about them? They even crucified him. All he did was ask his Father to forgive them. If we are to emulate Christ, we are to show love to others no matter what.

If my bowing down and allowing them to murder me would save 10 of them, I would do that but all if would accomplish is the rape of my wife, daughter and granddaughter followed by their deaths. Because I love them I was a soldier in the service of my nation and because of love, I will die to protect them from what the peaceful Islamists are doing, right now, in Great Briton. Please, study and do not be deceived.

Don't start talking about a religion you don't know the truth about. I've lived among Muslims, and I have a general understanding of their system of beliefs. I can talk about them, and I will defend them. Some of them are truly good people, and this is the Holy Spirit at work. We share much and that is what I focus on when I spend time with them. Love is the most important, and that is what I preach.

I live among them and before my MS took me out of the labor force I worked among them and I actively discussed their religion and my relationship with Jesus. I also took the time to study what they do as opposed to what they say and you need to turn you whole life over to God and to study the whole
Word.

Here, let me go over some of their beliefs with you...next post...(in the context of Christianity of course. I don't promote their beliefs. I just want to show you the parallels.)

Please get off that horse, I live with them here also, I'm not stupid, I have just done what the Bible teaches us to do and have examined what they teach in the light of truth, God's truth. The Bible is the Finale Court of Arbitration until my LORD set foot on the earth outside Jerusalem again. How can you say you are a Christian and then support the people that, daily, demand the death of all Jewish people and their Qur'an says we are next? Please again, study, you can google "164 Jihad sutras or verses" and ou can download a pdf copy of the Qur'an.