Bible Study Israel’s Final Restoration

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Note: Much of this article is still speculative with me and my hope in sharing it is that there might be more truth brought out concerning it. It is my belief that God has never “broken off” His union with Israel, just His fellowship, which will be reestablished during the final coming of the Lord Jesus.


Israel’s Final Restoration

One of the most important Biblical doctrines which has not been recovered, even within the Reformation is that which has to do with the dispensation of God’s people Israel. Scripture-obscurity is often the cause of misunderstanding various truths but nevertheless, God eventually reveals them to the persistent searcher.

Due to promises concerning Abraham’s grandson Israel (Jacob), God is going to “put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27). It’s clear this prophecy relates directly to the lineage of Abraham by language such as “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land” (v 24), which has been transpiring since the time of Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948.

It has yet to be seen concerning Eze 36:27, along with its companion-prophecy of Jer 31:31-33 which speaks of undeniable Jewish blood posterity concerning another but final law covenant “with the house of Israel” (v 33). The present position of Israel attests to the fact that these and all related prophecies (except the beginning of their present return to their land) are futuristic, and the Jews whom God will covenant with will be those who are still alive at Christ’s coming.

Those within the prior dispensation who believed (trusted) in God from Adam to Christ are in Heaven, but those who did not believe have perished (Heb 11:31). In the present dispensation since Christ’s coming, all who do not believe in Him perish, for they are “condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18).

I consider dispensations as periods which have existed in the present life on the old earth, e.g. earthly dispensations, thus, in my opinion the final dispensation is from the initial transpiration of the occurrences within the prophecies of Revelation until the removal of the present old earth. I believe it is during this time period—and principally within the Millennium (Rev 20:4)—where most of the obscurities concerning Israel’s end-time prophecies exist and will then become clear.

My understanding is that it is during the Millennium (thousand years on this old earth) when God will bring to pass Israel’s end-time Scriptural prophecies and declarations, i.e. Eze/Jer, Luke 22:29, 30, etc. I strongly suspect that the remaining nation of Israel who will be alive at this time will not enter into these prophecies until they see the Lord Jesus at His return.

None of the Apostles and disciples were familiar enough with the concept concerning Christ's resurrection to believe in it, that's why they couldn't believe in it until they saw Him (John 20:9, 20), even though this was foretold within the analogies of the OT sacrificial ordinances of the Law, and hinted of by Christ. I believe there is much instruction from what Jesus said, that “because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The learning here is contained within the word “blessed,” which I believe designs the intention of a greater glory and position for those who learn to believe on Christ’s resurrection—after His ascension—in order that faith in His resurrection cannot be derived from physical proof. I also do not think the fact of Christ’s resurrection was intended to be clear enough to His followers to attribute fault as to their being dull of hearing concerning His resurrection, which shows me that God did not want to reveal this until ‘ex post facto’, e.g. after He was raised.

It must be realized that though the post-ascension believers did not have the opportunity to see the Lord Jesus in His resurrected body, they do have the advantage of the Spirit of God “confirming” (Rom 8:16; 1John 5:6) everything to them in their faith (which the disciples did not have until after His ascension). The remaining nation of Israel who believe in God but not in His Son (John 14:1) will be the recipients of God putting His “Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27), which will finally bring them to faith in Christ, but the “blessing” of son-ship will not be known among them, only the position of being “people of God” (Jer 32:38-40; Heb 8:10).

This is unlike the position of son-ship and people of God for all who believe in Christ prior to His final return (Rom 9:24-26). He will be seen in the capacity of vengeance (Rev 19:16) but His final glory, which will bring again God’s fellowship with Israel forever will not occur until His final appearing at the “first resurrection.”

- NC
 
One of the most important Biblical doctrines which has not been recovered, even within the Reformation is that which has to do with the dispensation of God’s people Israel.
Even to this day, many do not believe that God will actually fulfil His promises to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David. Neither do they really believe the Prophets. But the apostles expected the restoration of Israel at the first coming of Christ. They did not realize that that could only happen at the second coming.

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Acts 1:6,7).
 
They did not realize that that could only happen at the second coming.
Hi Mal - Amen! It's comforting to see another like-beliefs brother, thanks for your fellowship! Through the patriarchal covenants (Abraham, Issac, Jacob) God reveals His rejection and perishing concerning unbelieving Israel, unbroken union but no fellowship with believing but disobedient Israel, and fellowship with believing and obedient Israel.

By God manifesting His faithfulness to Israel He manifests His faithfulness also to the Church which are Christ-believing Jews and Gentiles, where Gentiles will make up the majority of the Church because there will be many more saved from them, considering they make up the majority of earth's population (even though the majority of the Gentiles will not be saved).
 
Israel lost her right to be called Gods chosen people, (God did save a faithful remnant), as they fell into idolatry worshipping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts, 1Kings 9:1-9. God’s judgment against them led them to be captured, 605 – 537 B.C., by Nebuchadnezzar into Babylon for seventy years while Nebuchadnezzar’s army killed many Jews in Judah and Jerusalem destroying the whole city of Jerusalem including the first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem.

The second Temple was built under Ezra’s leadership and then Israel started practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population. Roman rule refurbished the temple as Herod, Romans vassal king, rules the land of Israel. In 70 A.D. the Temple is once again destroyed. The Temple Mount was taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock and there has not been any other Temple built since that time on the original Temple Mount.

God gave Israel 490 years to repent. They were set free from Babylon when the Medes and Persian conquered Babylon (Chaldeans) around 538 B.C. They were allowed back in the land and to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, however, they still did not repent for their sin of idol worshipping and they continued to receive punishment from God as the kingdom was taken away and eventually taken over by the Roman Empire. Malachi Chapter 4.

The 490 years were up and the Jews not only did not repent but they killed the very Messiah they had been waiting for as well as in 24 A.D. they made an opened display of rejecting the Gospel message as they stoned Stephen being the final messenger that was sent to give them their last chance to repent. The Jews were now rejected as God’s chosen people and were no different from the Gentiles as from that time forth each individual, Jew and Gentile has to make their own decision to accept or reject Jesus as Lord and Savior, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10. The disciples were called first to preach to the Jews, Matthew 10:6, and Paul was called to preach to the Gentiles, Acts 22:21. God has saved a remnant out of the twelve tribes of Israel even up to a thousand generations that have always been faithful to Him, Exodus 20:1-6; Psalms 105:7, 8, but those who have yet to accept Jesus as Messiah God will continue to cut them off.

2Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
Note: Much of this article is still speculative with me and my hope in sharing it is that there might be more truth brought out concerning it. It is my belief that God has never “broken off” His union with Israel, just His fellowship, which will be reestablished during the final coming of the Lord Jesus.


Israel’s Final Restoration

One of the most important Biblical doctrines which has not been recovered, even within the Reformation is that which has to do with the dispensation of God’s people Israel. Scripture-obscurity is often the cause of misunderstanding various truths but nevertheless, God eventually reveals them to the persistent searcher.

Due to promises concerning Abraham’s grandson Israel (Jacob), God is going to “put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27). It’s clear this prophecy relates directly to the lineage of Abraham by language such as “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land” (v 24), which has been transpiring since the time of Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948.

It has yet to be seen concerning Eze 36:27, along with its companion-prophecy of Jer 31:31-33 which speaks of undeniable Jewish blood posterity concerning another but final law covenant “with the house of Israel” (v 33). The present position of Israel attests to the fact that these and all related prophecies (except the beginning of their present return to their land) are futuristic, and the Jews whom God will covenant with will be those who are still alive at Christ’s coming.

Those within the prior dispensation who believed (trusted) in God from Adam to Christ are in Heaven, but those who did not believe have perished (Heb 11:31). In the present dispensation since Christ’s coming, all who do not believe in Him perish, for they are “condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18).

I consider dispensations as periods which have existed in the present life on the old earth, e.g. earthly dispensations, thus, in my opinion the final dispensation is from the initial transpiration of the occurrences within the prophecies of Revelation until the removal of the present old earth. I believe it is during this time period—and principally within the Millennium (Rev 20:4)—where most of the obscurities concerning Israel’s end-time prophecies exist and will then become clear.

My understanding is that it is during the Millennium (thousand years on this old earth) when God will bring to pass Israel’s end-time Scriptural prophecies and declarations, i.e. Eze/Jer, Luke 22:29, 30, etc. I strongly suspect that the remaining nation of Israel who will be alive at this time will not enter into these prophecies until they see the Lord Jesus at His return.

None of the Apostles and disciples were familiar enough with the concept concerning Christ's resurrection to believe in it, that's why they couldn't believe in it until they saw Him (John 20:9, 20), even though this was foretold within the analogies of the OT sacrificial ordinances of the Law, and hinted of by Christ. I believe there is much instruction from what Jesus said, that “because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The learning here is contained within the word “blessed,” which I believe designs the intention of a greater glory and position for those who learn to believe on Christ’s resurrection—after His ascension—in order that faith in His resurrection cannot be derived from physical proof. I also do not think the fact of Christ’s resurrection was intended to be clear enough to His followers to attribute fault as to their being dull of hearing concerning His resurrection, which shows me that God did not want to reveal this until ‘ex post facto’, e.g. after He was raised.

It must be realized that though the post-ascension believers did not have the opportunity to see the Lord Jesus in His resurrected body, they do have the advantage of the Spirit of God “confirming” (Rom 8:16; 1John 5:6) everything to them in their faith (which the disciples did not have until after His ascension). The remaining nation of Israel who believe in God but not in His Son (John 14:1) will be the recipients of God putting His “Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27), which will finally bring them to faith in Christ, but the “blessing” of son-ship will not be known among them, only the position of being “people of God” (Jer 32:38-40; Heb 8:10).

This is unlike the position of son-ship and people of God for all who believe in Christ prior to His final return (Rom 9:24-26). He will be seen in the capacity of vengeance (Rev 19:16) but His final glory, which will bring again God’s fellowship with Israel forever will not occur until His final appearing at the “first resurrection.”

- NC
Hello Netchaplain, I like you understand that all Israel will be saved because God can not and does not lie. I have studied this and along with the wonderful scriptures you pointed out, Zechariah chapter 12 and 13 seems to point to this also, as happening during the Great Tribulation.

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. {{ Cup of trembling and a Burdensome Stone is exactly what Israel is to the Whole World now, but God vows to defeat all the meddle with Israel. }}

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. {{ After 2000-2500 years of turning His back on Israel, He fights their battles again, or turns back to favor them. }}

Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. {{ God sends His Angel to defend Israel and vows to destroy everyone that comes against Israel, by smiting every nation that comes against her. }}

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. {{ God pours the Spirit of Grace and Prayer upon Israel and Supernaturally, no doubt, reveals to All Israel, that Jesus Christ i their Messiah, the One whom the Pierced. And they all Mourn in that Day. }}

Zechariah 13:1 IN THAT DAY there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. {{ In that Day ( What Day ? ) In that Day that Israel is shown that Jesus is their Messiah what Happens ? a FOUNTAIN is Opened ( the Blood of Jesus Amen !! ) for Sin and Uncleanness. AMEN }}

2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. {{ Again, IN THAT DAY, God will cut off the Idols, and the false prophets (Rabbis) and unclean spirits (lying demons) will be cast out of the land [of Israel], no one will believe their lies about Jesus from this point forward, God has supernaturally shown them that Jesus is their Messiah, Amen. }}

3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the Lord: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth. {{Even their parents will not put up with anymore lies about Jesus, their Messiah.}}

4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive: {{ Most of these prophets (Rabbis) will be ashamed of their FORMER VISION, where they lied about Jesus or spoke falsehoods about him. }}

5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. {{ Then will they say/admit, I am no prophet, I am but a farmer and husband !! Amen. }}

So all Israel will be saved, this will happen during the Tribulation, this is why in Rev. 12 God herds Israel into the Wilderness, to protect them for 3 1/2 years, because they believe in Jesus then as their Messiah.
 
So all Israel will be saved
Hi Rondmon - Amen, and it will be at least most (sometimes all can mean most) and all at once. I believe it will be when Jesus returns because they will see Him then (John 20:29).
 
"Due to promises concerning Abraham’s grandson Israel (Jacob), God is going to “put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27). It’s clear this prophecy relates directly to the lineage of Abraham by language such as “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land” (v 24),"

The good guys of Israel went into captivity during the 400 years right before Christ Jesus. They were returned to a land of faith and wrote the New Teatsment.

Hebrews 11:9 KJV
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Spiritual Israel arrived at Pentecost. Spiritual Gentiles arrived at the Gentile Pentecost.

Dead Israel did not write the New Testament.

At the last trump we all will see the final change.

That was pretty strong. Oh well: live and learn, and share it before you die.

eddif
 
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Hi Ed -
I can under the reasons why people would think that the Eze/Jer prophecies would relate also to the Gentile believers, and I can understand why they relate solely to those of Israel blood posterity. I also realize the obscurity of Scriptures relating to this issue, but I believe God is gradually demonstrating His revelation in His Word concerning this very significant teaching.

I've been for a long time now attempting to biblically determine this issue without spiritualizing Israel to be the Church because I'm best convinced by Scripture confirmation, which for this issue supports mostly that the prophecies mentioned above are Jewish when taken as they read. I'll just share why my understanding is where it is by looking at a model that is apart from spiritualizing and that relates to the mandates of these prophecies.

"I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah." If this covenant included Gentiles there's no sensible reason why they are never mentioned concerning this final covenant with Israel. Plus the covenant Jesus revealed, which is in His "Blood" clearly includes every believer, as revealed in the Gospels. Christ's Blood covenant is not with Israel nor the Gentiles, but with the Father, which is another obscure teaching in Scripture but nonetheless true. If it were a covenant between Jesus and man I believe He would plainly state it just as the prior and future covenant is stated. Hence, this prophetic new covenant of Israel has yet to occur.

"Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers." Clear confirmation that their final covenant will be similar to the prior covenant, which include statues, ordinances and judgments, which are not related in the Blood covenant because it is not law-centric (Jer 31:33); and law (in the specific sense, i.e. ordinances etc,) and grace are separate systems (John 1:17).

Israel (those who believe in God, but not in Christ until they see Him when these prophecies will take place) will never cease to be a nation on this earth, nor in the new earth.

God's blessings to your Family!
 
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The day of Jewish Pentecost was for Israel. I was not running them together with my comment.

To join both together I would use:
Ephesians 2:19 KJV
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

But I would only join them after their inclusion.

Ephesians 2:13 KJV
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Isaiah 19 is very clear in including Egypt with Israel in worsjip (eventually).

The discussion almost seems like a trinity discussion (so very much alike in agreement, but so very different).

Kidneys do no function like a liver, but both are part of a human body. Ask a liver to describe a kidney, and it probably would stutter looking for knowledge. So are members of the body of Christ. We each can have differing callings and struggle to understand others.

eddif
 
Isaiah 19:21 KJV
And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23 in that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, evena blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

eddif
 
Hi Rondmon - Amen, and it will be at least most (sometimes all can mean most) and all at once. I believe it will be when Jesus returns because they will see Him then (John 20:29).
This is the key to Israel's salvation in the future. They must acknowledge that Jesus of Nazareth is their true Messiah, and mourn for their rebellion and rejection of Him. There will then be genuine repentance among Jews, who will be brought from across the world to Israel. They will see whom they have pierced and mourn. They will also be subjected to the time of Jacob's trouble and go through the furnace of affliction.

It is at that time that the Deliverer will come out of Zion, and deliver Jacob (Israel) from ungodliness as well as their enemies: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. ((Rom 11:26,27).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7).
 
The Millennial Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ

24 “ ‘My servant David will be their king
, and they will all have one shepherd. They will live by my rules and obey my laws. 25 They will live on the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land in which your ancestors lived. They will all live on the land forever: they, their children, and their grandchildren. David my servant will be their king forever. 26 I will make an agreement of peace with them, an agreement that continues forever. I will put them in their land and make them grow in number. Then I will put my Temple among them forever. 27 The place where I live will be with them. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 When my Temple is among them forever, the nations will know that I, the Lord, make Israel holy.’ ” Ezekiel 37:24-28 NCV
 
This is the key to Israel's salvation in the future. They must acknowledge that Jesus of Nazareth is their true Messiah, and mourn for their rebellion and rejection of Him. There will then be genuine repentance among Jews, who will be brought from across the world to Israel. They will see whom they have pierced and mourn. They will also be subjected to the time of Jacob's trouble and go through the furnace of affliction.

It is at that time that the Deliverer will come out of Zion, and deliver Jacob (Israel) from ungodliness as well as their enemies: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. ((Rom 11:26,27).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7).


That is not the key to my salvation at least not according to YHVH my God. You see we are told time and time again why he has hidden His face from us. We have done worse than our fathers, we have forsaken YHVH, we have not kept His Torah, we dont listen to YHVH. It is why he cast us out of the land.

But there comes a day when we will return He will seek us out from the ends of the earth and bring us home not because of anything we have done but because it was His promise to us.

As for the nations YOU will say to YHVH: "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthless idols, and things in which there is no profit." He will show you His might and you will finally know His name is Yehovah.

Jeremiah 16
 
That is not the key to my salvation at least not according to YHVH my God. You see we are told time and time again why he has hidden His face from us. We have done worse than our fathers, we have forsaken YHVH, we have not kept His Torah, we dont listen to YHVH. It is why he cast us out of the land.

But there comes a day when we will return He will seek us out from the ends of the earth and bring us home not because of anything we have done but because it was His promise to us.

As for the nations YOU will say to YHVH: "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthless idols, and things in which there is no profit." He will show you His might and you will finally know His name is Yehovah.

Jeremiah 16
This is intended to agree with your post.

Acts 2:5 KJV
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

The Jews that had mourned over the sins of Israel were brought out of captivity to hear the mighty works of God (400 years of being scattered / captivity / your description).

The whole group was changed / empowered on that day to preach the gospel. Devout men and not those who thought the disciples were drunk.

The former problem overcome group then wrote the NC / NT that we read today. The group from the nations were no longer bound by the idols that had bound Israel. There was a major change. Out of bondage into the marvelous light of Jesus Christ.

Given a few more chapters the Gentiles would have their day of Pentecost at the preaching of Jewish Peter. The one new man would arrive. The sinner Gentiles would hear.

The redneck Gentile
eddif
 
I truly appreciate your opinion. However, the point I was trying to make was to bring to light that nowhere does God ever mention the key to my salvation is to believe in a human sacrifice as a necessity to my future. In fact the only thing He has ever said he requires of us is to do good, love justice and walk humbly with Him. It has been said by God himself, Moses, and Jesus that the most important commandment is to love Yehovah your God. All else is commentary, meaning the rest of His instruction explains how to love Him i.e. follow His instruction for us (to do good, love justice) and to walk humbly with Him (stay on the path of righteousness).

In the end days He also said He will write His Torah on our hearts. That is something I know many have on our hearts, others detest it or say its done away with. I suspect those are the ones who most likley will be saying "Surely our fathers have inherited lies..."
 
Hi Selihah - I wanted to share this for instruction: “Then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (Heb 10:9, 10).

All of the animal sacrifices required by the Law were to show Israel God’s only sacrifice of His Son, which was the analogy of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son.

"The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent His own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins" (Rom 8:3 NLT).

God's blessings to your Family!
 
Most can't believe their eyes when they read this, and for some strange reason, look instead to the future:

Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Are enemies was/is a present tense statement. Not future tense.

But then again, that's why Paul terms it, a MYSTERY.
 
Most can't believe their eyes when they read this, and for some strange reason, look instead to the future:

Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Are enemies was/is a present tense statement. Not future tense.

But then again, that's why Paul terms it, a MYSTERY.
Thanks for your input! Truth can only be understood if you stay open to it!
 
I truly appreciate your opinion. However, the point I was trying to make was to bring to light that nowhere does God ever mention the key to my salvation is to believe in a human sacrifice as a necessity to my future. In fact the only thing He has ever said he requires of us is to do good, love justice and walk humbly with Him. It has been said by God himself, Moses, and Jesus that the most important commandment is to love Yehovah your God. All else is commentary, meaning the rest of His instruction explains how to love Him i.e. follow His instruction for us (to do good, love justice) and to walk humbly with Him (stay on the path of righteousness).

In the end days He also said He will write His Torah on our hearts. That is something I know many have on our hearts, others detest it or say its done away with. I suspect those are the ones who most likley will be saying "Surely our fathers have inherited lies..."

The only chance for a fallen humanity has always been dependent on what God chooses to do about our predicament, because nothing we can do on our own is sufficient to save us from the grave. The key to salvation is not to believe in a mere human sacrifice; even pagans do that. The key to salvation is to believe in a Divine sacrifice.