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The antichrist will be able to establish peace - throughout the entire world.
The antichrist is dead and gone. Paul said that he had already been seated in the temple in his own day.

3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,
4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- [the day doth not come]. YLT


Note that Paul said that the man of sin "is opposing" and "is raising himself up" and "has sat down" in the temple.
 
The antichrist is dead and gone. Paul said that he had already been seated in the temple in his own day.

3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,
4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- [the day doth not come]. YLT


Note that Paul said that the man of sin "is opposing" and "is raising himself up" and "has sat down" in the temple.
If he is dead and gone who was he?
 
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

If the fig tree is Israel, who are all the other trees that are budding?


Found this:

Mark Twain in the Holy Land

Mark Twain visited Israel in 1867, and published his impressions in Innocents Abroad. He described a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population:

"...A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely… We never saw a human being on the whole route. We pressed on toward the goal of our crusade, renowned Jerusalem. The further we went the hotter the sun got and the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country. No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds the approaches to Jerusalem… Jerusalem is mournful, dreary and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land… Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes...”

From: http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/return_to_the_land_of_israel/


All the other trees did their budding within five years of Israel becoming a nation. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt share borders with Israel.

From the CIA World Fact Book:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/wfbExt/region_mde.html
Click the name of the country then "introduction" you'll find this:

Lebanon

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French separated out the region of Lebanon in 1920, and granted this area independence in 1943.

Jordan

Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950.

Syria

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946.

Egypt

Following the completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, Egypt became an important world transportation hub, but also fell heavily into debt. Ostensibly to protect its investments, Britain seized control of Egypt's government in 1882, but nominal allegiance to the Ottoman Empire continued until 1914. Partially independent from the UK in 1922, Egypt acquired full sovereignty with the overthrow of the British-backed monarchy in 1952.


All between the years 1943 and 1952 – all within five years of the birth of The Fig Tree in 1948. These guys were not even nations before WW1 they were just parts of the Ottoman Empire and then parts of the British Empire or the French. Their birth around the birth of Israel in 1948 makes them look like "all the trees" to me.



And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Then all the trees of the woods will rejoice before the Lord.
For He is coming, for He is coming to judge the earth.
He shall judge the world with righteousness,
And the peoples with His truth.
 
modern day Jordan was moab/edom in the days of isreal and in ad 70 it was called something else.
 
The antichrist is dead and gone. Paul said that he had already been seated in the temple in his own day.

3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,
4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- [the day doth not come]. YLT


Note that Paul said that the man of sin "is opposing" and "is raising himself up" and "has sat down" in the temple.



hath sat down? HUH?

Who was he then? Nero? EDITED no need to be rude, reba
King James Version
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

English Standard Version
who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Complete Jewish Bible
He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.

American Standard Version
he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

Bible in Basic English
Who puts himself against all authority, lifting himself up over all which is named God or is given worship; so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, putting himself forward as God.

Good News Translation
He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

New Century Version
He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God.

New Living Translation
He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

Today's New International Version
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
 
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hath sat down? HUH?

Who was he then? Nero? EDITED no need to be rude reba
King James Version
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

English Standard Version
who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Complete Jewish Bible
He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.

American Standard Version
he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

Bible in Basic English
Who puts himself against all authority, lifting himself up over all which is named God or is given worship; so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, putting himself forward as God.

Good News Translation
He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

New Century Version
He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God.

New Living Translation
He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

Today's New International Version
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
:yes
 
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hath sat down? HUH?

Who was he then? Nero? EDITED no need to be rude reba

King James Version
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

English Standard Version
who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Complete Jewish Bible
He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.

American Standard Version
he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

Bible in Basic English
Who puts himself against all authority, lifting himself up over all which is named God or is given worship; so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, putting himself forward as God.

Good News Translation
He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

New Century Version
He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God.

New Living Translation
He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

Today's New International Version
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

What? You don't believe in the literal translation of scripture?

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
The Young's Literal Translation was translated by Robert Young, who believed in a strictly literal translation of God's word. This version of the Bible is in the public domain.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.cfm#ylt
 
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Explain your statement please.

It means that the bible version Dave Watchman derisively referred to edited (YLT). If you desire a strictly literal translation then this is the bible version for you. I use it all the time in conjunction with other translations to try and achieve a harmony between different ways of saying the same thing. Often I find that the straightforward way I might understand a verse in an easy-to-read NKJV, NIV, NLT etc. won't mesh with the literal language of the YLT, but a more roundabout way of interpreting the verse can rectify the differences in language. Basically, the easy to read versions smooth over the translator's biases, while difficult to read versions, which certainly also contain biases, use difficult language which forces one to examine everything to make sense of it. It's milk verses meat; one has to chew meat.
 
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It means that the bible version Dave Watchman derisively referred to as the 'Fisher Price Preterist translation' is called Young's Literal Translation (YLT). If you desire a strictly literal translation then this is the bible version for you. I use it all the time in conjunction with other translations to try and achieve a harmony between different ways of saying the same thing. Often I find that the straightforward way I might understand a verse in an easy-to-read NKJV, NIV, NLT etc. won't mesh with the literal language of the YLT, but a more roundabout way of interpreting the verse can rectify the differences in language. Basically, the easy to read versions smooth over the translator's biases, while difficult to read versions, which certainly also contain biases, use difficult language which forces one to examine everything to make sense of it. It's milk verses meat; one has to chew meat.
No thanks.
 
2.4: . . . Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

 
TOG could this be the begining that israel stands alone. Of Ezekiel 38-39 Imo yes.
-Everything may start toppling into place. The "War" involves israel being invaded. Could the countrys imo declare all out War on your dates TOG imo yes.

So I'm waiting and seeing. But being ready just in case. The setting for the End may be coming swiftly I just am not sure.
 
TOG could this be the begining that israel stands alone. Of Ezekiel 38-39 Imo yes.
-Everything may start toppling into place. The "War" involves israel being invaded. Could the countrys imo declare all out War on your dates TOG imo yes.

So I'm waiting and seeing. But being ready just in case. The setting for the End may be coming swiftly I just am not sure.
 
hath sat down? HUH?

Who was he then? Nero? EDITED no need to be rude, reba
King James Version
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

English Standard Version
who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Complete Jewish Bible
He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.

American Standard Version
he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

Bible in Basic English
Who puts himself against all authority, lifting himself up over all which is named God or is given worship; so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, putting himself forward as God.

Good News Translation
He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

New Century Version
He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God's Temple and sit there and say that he is God.

New Living Translation
He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

Today's New International Version
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Those translations which render the verb "has sat down" as future are incorrect. They reflect the translator's interpretations. There are NO FUTURE VERBS in the text. The verb "has sat down" is an aorist infinitive. Jesus used the aorist infinitive saying, "Before Abraham was (aorist infinitive) I am." Therefore, Young's translation "has sat down" stands.

Paul told the Thessalonians about the identity of the man of sin (vs. 5). They knew who the man of sin was and that's all that counts. It doesn't concern modern day Christians at all. Speculations about his identity are therefore altogether futile.

Furthermore, Paul had just told them that the Lord would come from heaven to give them relief from their persecutions (1:3-8). The man of sin was to be openly revealed just before the Lord came from heaven. Therefore, the man of sin lived and is dead and gone.
 
Those translations which render the verb "has sat down" as future are incorrect. They reflect the translator's interpretations. There are NO FUTURE VERBS in the text. The verb "has sat down" is an aorist infinitive. Jesus used the aorist infinitive saying, "Before Abraham was (aorist infinitive) I am." Therefore, Young's translation "has sat down" stands.

Paul told the Thessalonians about the identity of the man of sin (vs. 5). They knew who the man of sin was and that's all that counts. It doesn't concern modern day Christians at all. Speculations about his identity are therefore altogether futile.

Furthermore, Paul had just told them that the Lord would come from heaven to give them relief from their persecutions (1:3-8). The man of sin was to be openly revealed just before the Lord came from heaven. Therefore, the man of sin lived and is dead and gone.
Hu? :confused
 
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