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It is impossible for Michael to be Jesus. (Yahshua)
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The Earth is also a heaven.
Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic insertion.
That would be correct.
You keep making this claim without substantiation. I have asked you for any citation at all that ties The Assumption Of Moses to Gnosticism. Why are you continuing to avoid doing so, while now moving on to telling someone else the same falsehood?
See post #8.
See post #8.
The battle to cast satan out of Heaven, was won by Michael, Michael has HIs angels, as we see of Jesus Christ also. ( Heaven also is very distant from the earth, so our words, on earth have to be few or we answer for them on judgement day.)
Ecclesiastes 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
I saw Post #8. That's what it means when people quote it in their reply to you.
Making the assertion that the authorized canon has been corrupted by Gnostics is a very serious allegation, and you need to be a lot more careful with what you are doing. It is entirely unsubstantiated, and as I told you already, there is zero in Post #8 that supports your claim. It's spiritually irresponsible.Seriously consider what you are doing before the Lord Jesus Christ, because you will be held accountable for what you do with the Word of God.
Hidden In Him
It is not difficult to know that Michael is Jesus.
What is difficult, is for anyone on the forum to learn the way of peace, to walk away from vanity, to take up their cross and follow Jesus, to join Christ in death, to rise up away from pride, lies, unholiness, and stop the deceit of the forums.
What is difficult, is for anyone on the forum to learn the way of peace, to walk away from vanity, to take up their cross and follow Jesus, to join Christ in death, to rise up away from pride, lies, unholiness, and stop the deceit of the forums.
Hello Gordon, if that's true, then why hasn't Michael = Jesus/Jesus = Michael ever been taught by any of our churches (churches that fall within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, that is)
The thing is, if that was what the Bible actually taught (that Michael = Jesus), then every Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant church would teach it too (just like the whole of the Christian church teaches the Trinity and the Deity of Christ), but none of them ever have.This idea is hardly unknown to our churches, and while it continues to be vetted by some from time to time, it also continues to be rejected as heretical.
WOW, where did that come from
I've just returned here recently, but from the threads that I've read through and/or joined, I wouldn't be able qualify even a small part our members as non-Christians, much less all of them like you do (which all of us would have to be, unsaved, that is, if what you just said is actually true of the lot of us).Can you, for instance, point me/us to a post in this thread that is clearly/intentionally filled with "pride, lies, unholiness and/or deceit", or at least somewhere where you (or any of the rest of us) have been put down or attacked in some way? (I haven't seen anything like that yet, certainly not in this thread anyway .. but I could have missed it, I suppose?).
Thanks for your help with that!
--David
Heaven
Genesis 1
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Luke 17
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is among you.
The Earth is a Heaven.
The adversary being here on Earth is not cast out of God's kingdom of heaven, but thrown down to the ground.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, (cast down to the ground) and his (angels / messengers) were cast out with him.
"At hand means, "is here." (Present)
Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Christ speaking to Daniel about Michael.
Daniel 10:5-6
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.
Speaking of the last days.
Dan 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Dan12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up,…
So how do we know the person speaking to Daniel is Christ, it is because the book of Revelation tells us so?
Revelation 1:13-15
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
Revelation 2:18
To the Church in Thyatira
“To the messenger of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
Odd.
Revelation 1:13
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.
The Greek text says his "breast" were bound. (girded) But the translators gave the interpretation "chest."
Although not impossible, just extremely unlikely. Perhaps someone thought it funny to replace the word "waist" with "breast."
Because Daniel speaks of Michael, and of that knowledge increased at the end time now. ( sealed unto the time of the end)Hello Gordon, if that's true, then why hasn't Michael = Jesus/Jesus = Michael ever been taught by any of our churches (churches that fall within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, that is)
This idea is hardly unknown to our churches, and while it continues to be vetted by some from time to time, it also continues to be rejected as heretical.
WOW, where did that come from
Can you, for instance, point me/us to a post in this thread that is clearly/intentionally filled with "pride, lies, unholiness and/or deceit", or at least somewhere where you (or any of the rest of us) have been put down or attacked in some way? (I haven't seen anything like that yet, certainly not in this thread anyway .. but I could have missed it, I suppose?).
Thanks for your help with that!
--David
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Heaven is where we are at with Christ, not on earth:
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Daniel 9, has Gabriel caused to fly swiftly to talk with Daniel and give him skill and understanding.
At he beginning of Daniels supplications the commandment came forth, ( to Gabriel from God) and Gabriel came to show Daniel, to understand the matter and to consider the vision, as Gabriel was telling Daniel he is greatly beloved. ( of God).
Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
Here again the same words to Daniel, the man greatly beloved, ( of God) for Daniel to understand the words spoken to him, as this servant was sent to Daniel.
Again it is repeated, that from the first day Daniel set is heart to understand and to chasten himself before God, ( as Gabriel had said he was caused to fly swiftly to Daniel from the beginning of his supplications.) the words of Daniel were heard, and he was come forth for his words. ( servant sent to Daniel again.)
This servant continues how Michael came to help him.
Now Daniel understood why this servant came to him, ( as Gabriel had come to him before) and he shows us what is noted in the scripture of truth, and none holds with that servant of these things, but Michael our Prince.
Daniel 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.
12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Daniel 10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Speaking of our Prince:
Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Again it was Michael our Prince who holds with Gabriel in these things ( no others hold in it) and Gabriel is told by our Prince to make Daniel understand the vision.
This was the mans voice between the banks of Ulai. ( the man clothed in linen upon the waters, swore by Him that lives for ever, the end of these wonders is when He had accomplished to scatter the power of the holy ones.)
That is the same end coming as in 1 Corinthians 15, when the Kingdom is delivered up to God, ( by Jesus Christ/Michael) when He has put down all rule authority and power. ( Michael our Prince is witnessed to do exactly that putting down of power, the devil is cast out and then came salvation.)
Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
This was the mans voice between the banks of Ulai. ( the man clothed in linen upon the waters, swore by Him that lives for ever, the end of these wonders is when He had accomplished to scatter the power of the holy ones.)
That is the same end coming as in 1 Corinthians 15, when the Kingdom is delivered up to God, ( by Jesus Christ/Michael) when He has put down all rule authority and power. ( Michael our Prince is witnessed to do exactly that putting down of power, the devil is cast out and then came salvation.)
Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
The devil then comes with all lying signs ands false wonders, and the robbers of our people try to exalt themselves to establish the vision, but they fail.
Daniel 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
Now I told you guys the answer to your questions, why this was not known in the churches ?
It was sealed to know about Michael, but I know, it is no longer sealed.
Then the seventh angel utters and stands upon the sea, and swears to Him who lives for ever there shall be time no longer. Then the mystery of God should be finished, as Her has declared to is servants the prophets.
The seventh angel sounds, and the Kingdoms of this world are become the Kingdoms of our Lord ( our Lord Jesus Christ.) and of HIs Christ.
Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Daniel 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
Now I told you guys the answer to your questions, why this was not known in the churches ?
It was sealed to know about Michael, but I know, it is no longer sealed.
Then the seventh angel utters and stands upon the sea, and swears to Him who lives for ever there shall be time no longer. Then the mystery of God should be finished, as Her has declared to is servants the prophets.
The seventh angel sounds, and the Kingdoms of this world are become the Kingdoms of our Lord ( our Lord Jesus Christ.) and of HIs Christ.
Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.