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It isn't Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you!

julian said:
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THanks, but I almost choked on my breakfast when I saw this ! :rolling
 
Hammer said:
Christians are Abraham's only legitimate descendants. ...All Jews today are either Talmudic Jews (not even as really Jewish as Muslims) or cultural Jews. Paul spoke of the elect under the circumcision. ... There's not a single legitimate circumcised non-Christian on the face of the Earth today.
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Circumcision is of the flesh only so OF COURSE there are "legitimate circumcised non-Christians" on earth today. My great grandson who is going on 3 has been circumcised. Does that make HIM a Christian??? In just such an illogical way you proclaim there are no more Jews "of the flesh". REALLY??? Then why do the Islamists you seem so willing to favor hate the Israelis so much? Why do THEY call them Jews? (And far worse names) You are choosing to reject the words of Paul who spoke of his kinsman as the BELOVED because of the fathers AND as the "elect". 2 Tim 2:10 And what is it with you and the talmud anyway? It too contains God's words, you know?!

Hammer said:
Jews today are either Talmudic Jews (not even as really Jewish as Muslims)
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Are you seriously saying Muslims are Jewish?
Furthermore, Christians are not ABRAHAM'S "descendents" since that would mean we are related to him by natural means. We are heir to the promises given Abraham by FAITH and the mercy of God Who grafted us into the "natural tree". Romans 11
 
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The Unbeliever said:
Modern Israel could be construed as the product of political machinations emanating from the collusion of Allied powers (with the support of Zionist agitators) during the waning moments of World War II, in order to both resolve the "Jewish Problem" of the Germans without committing themselves to the Nazi's solution and to assuage their own guilt over what was done to the Jewish people by simply making it someone else's problem (the Arabs who were then living in the Palestine region). I do not necessarily endorse this reading of history, but it does have it's proponents.
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So does the idea that "ancient aliens" have visited us with "helpful" objectives in mind and about as noteworthy!
 
Hammer said:
That's what Israel does, attack people who are no real threat to them and then claim it be self-defense, as all aggressors claim. Iran has not made real threats against Israel
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Oh yeah, I forgot, darn! Those Israelis just keep on making suicide bombers out of their young men and sending them to poor little defenseless Iran to blow up their helpless citizens!:rolleyes2
 
You are choosing to reject the words of Paul who spoke of his kinsman as the BELOVED because of the fathers AND as the "elect". 2 Tim 2:10 And what is it with you and the talmud anyway? It too contains God's words, you know?!
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Paul said only a remnant of of his kinsmen were preserved... and Talmudic Jews aren't Paul's kinsmen.

Are you seriously saying Muslims are Jewish? Good grief, man, GET A GRIP!
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Arabs really are the natural Children of Abraham and Muslims follow the Old Testament more closely than do Talmudic Jews.

Furthermore, Christians are not ABRAHAM'S "descendents" since that would mean we are related to him by natural means.
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And what is it with you and the talmud anyway? It too contains God's words, you know?!
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I have an objective definition of a cult. A cult has doctrines based on supposed revelation outside the Bible. That would include the Talmud. Further, the Talmud says Jesus is being punished in boiling excrement... anyone who believes that's God's word is in danger of Hell fire. .
 
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Personal attacks will stop now... I will be deleting some of them... Any more and the posts will be deleted, and could result in an infraction.

Take a look at what is missing form your posts to an idea of what is not tolerated.
 
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Hi, Hammer, here's another example of those "peaceful" Muslims in action:
The statements came as French authorities remain on alert after a sweep this month that left one man dead and several others in detention on suspicion of being involved in the bombing of a Jewish shop or of planning other anti-Semitic attacks. President François Hollande vowed after the arrests to step up security measures for the Jewish community in France, the largest in Europe.

France’s SPCJ Jewish security watchdog said last week that anti-Semitic acts surged by 45 percent in the first eight months of this year and were given new impetus by deadly attacks in March by Islamic radical Mohamed Merah. Merah went on a shooting rampage in and around the southern city of Toulouse, killing a rabbi, three Jewish children and three French paratroopers before being shot dead in a police siege.
 
tessiewebb said:
Hi, Hammer, here's another example of those "peaceful" Muslims in action:
The statements came as French authorities remain on alert after a sweep this month that left one man dead and several others in detention on suspicion of being involved in the bombing of a Jewish shop or of planning other anti-Semitic attacks. President François Hollande vowed after the arrests to step up security measures for the Jewish community in France, the largest in Europe.

France’s SPCJ Jewish security watchdog said last week that anti-Semitic acts surged by 45 percent in the first eight months of this year and were given new impetus by deadly attacks in March by Islamic radical Mohamed Merah. Merah went on a shooting rampage in and around the southern city of Toulouse, killing a rabbi, three Jewish children and three French paratroopers before being shot dead in a police siege.
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While I don't dispute your account, it's important to take into account the socio-economic conditions of the people, and not just their religion when analyzing behavior and motivations
 
For anyone who thinks that Islamists are going to just shake their finger at those who dare say anything against their "prophet" or religion, check this out, http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/...e-kills-man-court-had-acquitted-of-blasphemy/

:A Pakistani man who was acquitted of a blasphemy charge has been shot dead by two men in Punjab province. He had been arrested in February 2011 after Sath Sanaullah, a resident of his neighborhood, accused him of committing blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed during a private conversation.

Please remember that the UN is trying to get America to enact Sharia "blasphemy laws" even now.

The penalty for "blasphemy" under Sharia law is death.

And the penalty for blaspheming God or Jesus? You get to hang your blasphemy in a public place!
 
tessiewebb said:
The penalty for "blasphemy" under Sharia law is death.

And the penalty for blaspheming God or Jesus? You get to hang your blasphemy in a public place!
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The Old Testament penalty for blasphemy is death. "Rightwing" Christians usually ignore blasphemy from Hollywood because of their infatuation with the perpetrators.
 
The Unbeliever said:
While I don't dispute your account, it's important to take into account the socio-economic conditions of the people, and not just their religion when analyzing behavior and motivations
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Who would need to "analyze behavior and motivations"??? These are hard cold facts, friend. No need of analyzing anything. A rabbi, 3 Jewish children and 3 of France's own paratroopers are D E A D! Analyze this and you'll find exactly this: Hatred of Jews and 3 paratroopers who were caught in the melee!

Does ANYONE out there in Forum land REMEMBER the street celebrations of men, women and children in Muslim attire when nearly 3000 Americans and visitors died as the twin towers came down??? Were all of those dead "blasphemers" in anyone's eyes? Were those who jumped to their deaths rather than be burned to death anti-Islam? The hedge of God's protection over America was broken down that day and so few are taking it to heart! Instead of repenting and turning back to God, we filled the churches and then forgot about it and went on our merry way to catastrophe! We can whistle in the dark for a time yet, or we can get real and see the threat at our doorways. The stupid frog in the heating water parable has NOTHING on Americans!!
 
tessiewebb said:
Does ANYONE out there in Forum land REMEMBER the street celebrations of men, women and children in Muslim attire when nearly 3000 Americans and visitors died as the twin towers came down??? Were all of those dead "blasphemers" in anyone's eyes? Were those who jumped to their deaths rather than be burned to death anti-Islam? The hedge of God's protection over America was broken down that day and so few are taking it to heart! Instead of repenting and turning back to God, we filled the churches and then forgot about it and went on our merry way to catastrophe! We can whistle in the dark for a time yet, or we can get real and see the threat at our doorways. The stupid frog in the heating water parable has NOTHING on Americans!!
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I remember and i know most of the news accountings withheld much of that type of information from Joe Public.... It was manipulation then and it still is.. Some one's "they" did not want to "wake a sleeping giant".
 
reba said:
I remember and i know most of the news accountings withheld much of that type of information from Joe Public.... It was manipulation then and it still is.. Some one's "they" did not want to "wake a sleeping giant".
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Exactly, Reba. I remember too. And on top of the supposed 3000 that were killed, does anyone think there were really only 3000 in those towers? And how about the money the Fed sent out of the country the same day?? Anyone ever hear about that again after 9/11? Like that fire repair company ad, "like it never even happened"!
 
tessiewebb said:
Who would need to "analyze behavior and motivations"??? These are hard cold facts, friend. No need of analyzing anything. A rabbi, 3 Jewish children and 3 of France's own paratroopers are D E A D! Analyze this and you'll find exactly this: Hatred of Jews and 3 paratroopers who were caught in the melee!

Does ANYONE out there in Forum land REMEMBER the street celebrations of men, women and children in Muslim attire when nearly 3000 Americans and visitors died as the twin towers came down??? Were all of those dead "blasphemers" in anyone's eyes? Were those who jumped to their deaths rather than be burned to death anti-Islam? The hedge of God's protection over America was broken down that day and so few are taking it to heart! Instead of repenting and turning back to God, we filled the churches and then forgot about it and went on our merry way to catastrophe! We can whistle in the dark for a time yet, or we can get real and see the threat at our doorways. The stupid frog in the heating water parable has NOTHING on Americans!!
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Cold hard facts are nothing without a narrative to bring meaning to them. Besides, I was simply pointing to "cold hard facts" as well, they were simply facts that you have so far not granted a place in the narrative you weave. Please consider this, and the fact that these things you speak of do not occur in an ahistorical vacuum.
 
The Unbeliever said:
Cold hard facts are nothing without a narrative to bring meaning to them. Besides, I was simply pointing to "cold hard facts" as well, they were simply facts that you have so far not granted a place in the narrative you weave. Please consider this, and the fact that these things you speak of do not occur in an a historical vacuum.
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In a round about way, it appears you are saying that because there have been facts I've not granted a place in the narrative I 'weave'" the behavior I've posted is somehow negated. Are you insinuating I'm not being "fair" or should I say "tolerant"? Why don't you post those "facts" I've "not granted a place"? Then we can discuss what you see. Deal?
 
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