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It shall not be so among you.

dude. if it a conspiracy then. lets also ban the jewish idea of how they put the bible together. it was done by the Sanhedrin. whom also were a hierarchy. they were appointed men.

I know that the church aint perfect. I could post a lot on the failures of the churches these days. I have been and seen:
1) robbed of a church of legal wages
2) seen and met one they discriminated against and later that woman sued for her right to work there in any position she wanted and could do
3) my church had a pastor steal money and the elders went to the denomational hq and they made the pastor in question look innocent. there fore my pastor tells the church to pay in cash for tithes and offerings that financial damage still plaques the church today.
4) my pastor cleared out some members who sang in the choir as he said we must wear something that shows we are in submission to the Holy God. women showed too much cleavage and also were into clubs that didn't really reach nor glorify god.

so please. I know that no leader or body is perfect.
 
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Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

At what point do you leave/expose those churches without being judged as one seeking to have their ears tickled? Ya, Christ might be taught in pretense and we shall rejoice for it...but how long shall we put up with them?

I seek to have my ears tickled by the word of God, not the prosperity gospel...and if that means I have to spend the rest of my christian life breaking bread in a household of 7 brethren, then so be it.
 
if its the rcc and the issues of that. well I know of that. uhm jews don't like the rcc. does that mean a church leader is bad? I guess we shouldn't vote , pay taxes etc or support anything with men as a
leader as they can corrupt themselves.

off topic. I will not vote for any local republican. all of them are that corrupt but I will still vote for someone to run and hold the office.
 
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The Spirit of Christ, the spirit of anti Christ. Just the opposite. Jesus came as a humble servant. Anyone who exalts himself is the opposite of Christ or an anti Christ.
 
Jesus told His followers that the worlds leaders lord it over their subservients but it shall not be so among you. Yet today we have men lording it over the sheep and are paid to do so. Is there a problem here?

Yep, it is called this...

Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
 
Been studying the subject further. I was kinda hoping others would to. The life and death of His people depend on whether or not we can reform the situation.
 
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The Spirit of Christ, the spirit of anti Christ. Just the opposite. Jesus came as a humble servant. Anyone who exalts himself is the opposite of Christ or an anti Christ.

This ^ is a human description of antichrist....below is the Scriptural description of antichrist...

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist
 
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