It's Almost Sukkot

[jasoncran]

Please don't take an attitude with me...

Where were the offerings to be offered...

Paul affirms the teachings found within torah... and within the talmud. So did stephen. And they were christians... so why would I discredit what you call a talmudic jew? Have you ever been yoked to the torah? Did you once have to try and live within that covenant?

jesus must ah sinned when he celebrated that talmudic holiday called channukah... yes one would think that somehow the hebrews had men who study and taught the law. yet many assume that they didnt cause its not in the bible!.

 

[stovebolts]

When the Feast of Booths was given to the Isrealites, there was no temple. The sacrifices were done at the booths (AKA tabernacles).

Hammer,
I understand your misunderstanding. Not a biggie as I can see how you've come to that conclusion.

As your aware, the Temple wasn't built until Solomon. However, God showed Moses a copy of the heavenly tabernacle.

Exodus 25:25 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from everyone whose heart prompts them to give. 3 These are the offerings you are to receive from them: gold, silver and bronze; 4 blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen; goat hair; 5 ram skins dyed red and another type of durable leather[a]; acacia wood; 6 olive oil for the light; spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense; 7 and onyx stones and other gems to be mounted on the ephod and breastpiece.

8 “Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them. 9 Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you.

We also see Exodus 40:40 Then the Lord said to Moses: 2 “Set up the tabernacle, the tent of meeting, on the first day of the first month.

Now then, if we look at the Hebrew word for tabernacle in Exodus 25:9 and Exodus 40:40, we see Strongs 4908. mishkan


If we look at the word tabernacle in Levitcus 23:33 we see Strongs 5521. cukkah
We also see that Leviticus 23 is in reference to sacred assemblies. These are to be held at the Tabernacle (mishkan) upon the Altar on the 7th month, not outside of their cukkah (tabernacle).

Hope that helps. Let me know ok.

Grace and Peace.

 

[nmwings]

If you're going to practice the pre-Christ jewish holidays, you'll need eight animals to sacrifice.

The Lord says these feasts are for everyone. Tabernacles is an 8-day literal FEAST before theLORD with 191 animals on the menu (not including the daily burned offerings, sin offerings, etc) along with baskets and baskets of bread and kegs of wine (see Num 29:12-40.) This is THE WEDDING FEAST which the believers will celebrate with our King at the end of the Great Tribulation.

And, you've got your booths for this, not the Temple.

The Lord warned us that if we sacrifice to Him in any place other than at His Altar He would consider it a sacrifice to demons. (see Lev 17:1-9) Therefore, PLEASE DON’T DO IT in your booths.

Christians don't practice the pre-Christ jewish holidays because we don't sacrifice. We have our one-and-all-sufficient sacrifice in Christ.

Of the 13 different sacrifices, only 2 were for sin. The other 11 offerings are gifts to the Lord that He asks us to bring to Him if we want to worship Him, praise Him, give thanks to Him, or celebrate something with Him.

 

[jasoncran]

i will do sukkhot next year. though im not binding myself to it.

 

[joethemechanic]

I hope it doesn't rain, I'm pretty sure the roof of my Sukkah leaks

 

[tim-from-pa]

I hope it doesn't rain, I'm pretty sure the roof of my Sukkah leaks

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[Hammer]

The Lord warned us that if we sacrifice to Him in any place other than at His Altar He would consider it a sacrifice to demons. (see Lev 17:1-9) Therefore, PLEASE DON’T DO IT in your booths.

Apparently, there was an issue with Israelites tending to sacrifice to false gods. So, Israelites were instructed to give their sacrifices to the priests, so it won't be to pagan gods. A sacrifice to God is to God, not demons, wherever it's done.

But, before Christ, and before the law given by Moses, God's people offered sacrifices, without the temple, without the tabernacle, and without the priesthood.

The argument against animal sacrifices by Jews seems to be that without a temple it can't be done "right" so it shouldn't be done at all. That kind of reasoning is like saying that if there's five people in a house on fire, if you can only rescue 4, you shouldn't rescue anyone.

If you really want to go the rout of throwing out animal sacrifices because there's no temple, then why don't you follow that logic through and throw out the rest, as well? (That's where Christianity comes in.)

 

[tim-from-pa]

I hope it doesn't rain, I'm pretty sure the roof of my Sukkah leaks

Hey Joe, from what I see, it's better that your booth is leaky than your theology. :toofunny

Now for me, I'm lazy and pitch a tent.

 

[nmwings]

If you really want to go the rout of throwing out animal sacrifices because there's no temple, then why don't you follow that logic through and throw out the rest, as well? (That's where Christianity comes in.)

I do not follow Christianity on this subject because I believe the Altar and the offerings are eternal and that we will worship the Lord in the Kingdom the same way He instructed us at Sinai.

I do not base my decision on my own faulty human logic. I base it on the fact that I have heard the instruction of the Lord (Lev 17:1-9) and I will obey by not sacrificing without a priest and the Altar. However, once the Altar in Jerusalem is re-established, you can bet your bottom dollar that (the Lord willing) I will go and worship Him the way He has instructed.

A sacrifice to God is to God, not demons, wherever it's done.

Ignoring Lev 17:1-9 is not conforming with, "Man lives by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."



I will be unavailable during Sukkot. Maybe we can continue our conversation after Sukkot?

 

[Deborah13]

I'm only repeating what I read...

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/601092/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Matrilineal.htm

I found this info interesting. I had heard the same before but didn't know why.

Starting thinking with this in mind.

Isaac loved Esau - because he like the food that Esau brought him - lost the blessing of the first born - willing to give up his birthright for food

Rebekah loved Jacob - Jacob became Israel because Rebekah believed God before they were even born

 

[jasoncran]

I do not follow Christianity on this subject because I believe the Altar and the offerings are eternal and that we will worship the Lord in the Kingdom the same way He instructed us at Sinai.

I do not base my decision on my own faulty human logic. I base it on the fact that I have heard the instruction of the Lord (Lev 17:1-9) and I will obey by not sacrificing without a priest and the Altar. However, once the Altar in Jerusalem is re-established, you can bet your bottom dollar that (the Lord willing) I will go and worship Him the way He has instructed.

Ignoring Lev 17:1-9 is not conforming with, "Man lives by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."



I will be unavailable during Sukkot. Maybe we can continue our conversation after Sukkot?

a dirty gentile will be able to enter the holy of holies? you and all gentiles are as such if the Lord Jesus didnt change the covenant and cant enter into the presense of the lord.I prefer the new way. the Law is a burden. i have an orthodox Jew tell me that. be glad you dont have to do the torah in that manner for Your jesus.

only a levite could. and at that the high priest.

 

[stovebolts]

I found this info interesting. I had heard the same before but didn't know why.

Starting thinking with this in mind.

Isaac loved Esau - because he like the food that Esau brought him - lost the blessing of the first born - willing to give up his birthright for food

Rebekah loved Jacob - Jacob became Israel because Rebekah believed God before they were even born

Keeping the article in mind, now that is absolutely fascinating!

Not to diminish that Jacob still received his identity from Isaac.

 

[Contrarian]

My boys had fun camping last night. Our little one complained that he got a little cold, so we'll run an extension cord and space heater in tonight.

There's no use turning an 8 yr old off of camping because he's uncomfortable.

Our teenage boys had a great time.

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Oh... The burden of observing the Lord's commandments... We're suffering tremendously. ;)

 

[stovebolts]

My boys had fun camping last night. Our little one complained that he got a little cold, so we'll run an extension cord and space heater in tonight.

There's no use turning an 8 yr old off of camping because he's uncomfortable.

Our teenage boys had a great time.

...

Oh... The burden of observing the Lord's commandments... We're suffering tremendously. ;)

Heaven forbid the family is together talking about God!

 

[jasoncran]

we cant have that, jeff. nope thats a sin. to study and maybe do the feasts and see. im not agaisnt this at all. done it myself.

on a side note jeff, on fb i posted a link to what is going on locally and here as well with my unit. orthodox jews stick out. i can see how much my grandpa was by these isreali parents. the dad reminded me of him alot but way MORE intidimadating! well his daughter has his personality and afghanistan wouldnt stand a chance!

of course these are very hasidic,my family wasnt. i dont recall any cranmans having beards and being unshaven or wearing kippahs or being consertively dressed like the 40s if one was a woman. in my time with my grandparents. the old pics Yes.

 

[NightLight]

That's not a biblical Judaism website. It's a talmudic Judaism website. Their doctrines are as irrelevant to the Bible as are Muslim doctrines. Why would you take a post-70AD "jewish" authority over the Bible? By what authority are Jews forbidden to sacrifice? The same authority that says Jesus isn't the Christ?

If you're going to practice the pre-Christ jewish holidays, you'll need eight animals to sacrifice. And, you've got your booths for this, not the Temple.

Christians don't practice the pre-Christ jewish holidays because we don't sacrifice. We have our one-and-all-sufficient sacrifice in Christ. We don't look foward to the coming of Christ, but back to arrival of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17. I choose not to live in shadows, but to live in the light of Christ, so there won't be any judaizing at my house, let alone psuedo-judaizing with talmudic judaism.

stating that Christ was some sort of animal sacrifice seems bizarre to me, makes Christianity sound like some primitive ooga booga religion.

And besides, what kind of God demands human sacrifices? You make God sound like some sort of demon.