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gingercat

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I always look at the fruit of the starter's credibility when look into the Christian organization. I don't know much about the JW's bad ruputation.

Can anyone tell me about the JW's bad witnesses besides their doctrine?

Thank you. :D
 
If I am not mistaken, JW is based on the interpretation of the Bible by a man named Russell. He decided that he didn't like the idea of 'hell' so he re-wrote the Bible, thereby creating 'his own', eliminating this concept of 'hell'. He also believed the literal meaning of the numbers mentioned in Revelation, thus teaching his followers that 'they' would be the ones alluded to in Revelations, (12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel). Unfortunately for him, upon the increase of the membership of his organization 'beyond' the 144,000, he had to recant these numbers and come up with a 'new' formula with additional numbers added.

I also know from discussion with actual members, that they are not allowed to 'debate' their doctrine. They may explain their beliefs, but are NOT allowed by their 'church' to debate issues concerning 'differences' in interpretation.

They are very devoted and do NOT attend church, as traditionals practice it. They have more of an 'informational gathering', rather than a ritual infused gathering.

They do NOT believe in 'trinity'. They don't believe in hell. And they are VERY strict concerning the behavior of their members, choosing to follow a more Biblical understanding of those 'living in sin' and how they were to be treated according to their membership in the 'body'. They are also very forgiving of those that they welcome back with open arms once they have ceased their un-righteous ways.

So, in direct answer to your original question. The only real discrepancy of their belief system, as far as I can tell, would be that this Russell character created a 'cult-like' religion by 'throwing out' a number of Biblical principles for his own understanding. Other than that, these people are VERY devoted and sincere. And I only use the reference to 'cult-like' in the respect of their relationship compared to the 'traditionalist, (to them, ALL other denominations are 'cult-like'.

Hope this helps.

MEC
 
gingercat said:
I always look at the fruit of the starter's credibility when look into the Christian organization. I don't know much about the JW's bad ruputation.

Can anyone tell me about the JW's bad witnesses besides their doctrine?

Thank you. :D

JW's are a Bible based group that are called a "cult" by the ever so righteous judgment of those who like to manipulate by using fear tactics.

The have one well known but interesting doctrine that one should not take blood tranfusions. I have never been able to demonstrate from the Bible how that could be wrong. People have to resort to philosophical arguments to deal with that one because the Bible appears to be on their side for that matter.
 
TruthMiner said:
gingercat said:
I always look at the fruit of the starter's credibility when look into the Christian organization. I don't know much about the JW's bad ruputation.

Can anyone tell me about the JW's bad witnesses besides their doctrine?

Thank you. :D

JW's are a Bible based group that are called a "cult" by the ever so righteous judgment of those who like to manipulate by using fear tactics.

The have one well known but interesting doctrine that one should not take blood tranfusions. I have never been able to demonstrate from the Bible how that could be wrong. People have to resort to philosophical arguments to deal with that one because the Bible appears to be on their side for that matter.

Actually, when I asked about the Blood Transfusion thing, they showed me something in the OT that talks about eating blood. I can't remember where it was. I studied with them for almost 2 years, but I left them. I have no desire in more than 23-24 years to refoin them.
 
Thank you every one. How about imoral practice, e.g catholics killed many christians and mormons starter had multiple wives ect..
 
gingercat said:
Thank you every one. How about imoral practice, e.g catholics killed many christians and mormons starter had multiple wives ect..

You mean immoral according to yourself.

The crusaders sure thought they were doing their god's work and felt perfectly justified. The Mormons obviously find it perfectly moral to have multiple wives.

Perhaps you should describe your morals to this forum before expecting people to read your mind and comment about how these practices may or may not fit your own morals. :roll:
 
Novum said:
gingercat said:
Thank you every one. How about imoral practice, e.g catholics killed many christians and mormons starter had multiple wives ect..

You mean immoral according to yourself.

The crusaders sure thought they were doing their god's work and felt perfectly justified. The Mormons obviously find it perfectly moral to have multiple wives.

Perhaps you should describe your morals to this forum before expecting people to read your mind and comment about how these practices may or may not fit your own morals. :roll:

Geez, Can't you use common sense? Ok then, how about using New Testament standard? Is that good enough for you?
 
Common sense is surprisingly uncommon. And the bible is only one source of morality. :)
 
If anyone wants detailed information about Jehovah Witnesses then might I recommend the following book:

The Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin, General Editor: Ravi Zacharias.

The book also talks about the following faiths:
Christian Science
Mormons
Spiritism
The Theosophical Society (Gnosticism)
Buddhismâ€â€Classical, Zen, and Nichiren Shoshu
The Baha’i Faith
Unitarian Universalism
Scientology
The Unification Church
The New Age Cult
Islam

In the Appendix it talks about, among other things, Seventh-day Adventism (which it does not call non-Christian).

For a book specifically devoted to Jehovah Witnesses check out Walter Martin’s book entitled Jehovah’s Witnesses.
 
gingercat said:
Can anyone tell me about the JW's bad witnesses besides their doctrine?
Are you saying that the JW's have bad doctrine?
 
Free said:
gingercat said:
Free said:
gingercat said:
Can anyone tell me about the JW's bad witnesses besides their doctrine?
Are you saying that the JW's have bad doctrine?

According to most denominations they are cult.
That is not what I asked.

I can say that I studied when I was a teenager with the Jehovah's Witnesses. The believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, that Jesus was raised in the spirit and not the flesh, so no. I don't trust their teachings.
I have nothing against Catholics, Petnacostles, fundamentalists, or whatever, but I can't belong to any religion that says that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, because the Bible says he was The Son of God. I can accept that there may be no Trinity, but I do believe that Jesus is God! I can believe that The Holy Spirit may be a part of God, and not a separate entity (although as for now I believe in the Trinity) like a lot of you believe. But there is no way I will ever be a Jehovah's Witness.
As for if they have a bad doctrine? I am not qualified to answer that.
Christine
I am 40 years old now, and no longer a teenager. I am much stronger in my faith than I was back then.
 
Thank you Christine. You make sense. But I dont believe a lot of protestants' doctrines either. Many of them are much worse than JW.
 
Yep, and I personally have witnessed their devotion and it is impressive. Most that I have met are extremely in line with their doctrine. And as I stated previous, they don't put up with 'pretending'. They will quickly ask a brother or sister to leave if they are not living a life that offers a sound testimony.

So far, the only difference in the definition of a 'cult' that I have found is that their 'groups' are smaller. I have often felt that some of the 'largest' groups are cults as far as the amount of liberty that they take in discerning the Word. Just my opinion.

Funny how every 'other' denomination use to be considered a 'cult' to every other denomination. Notice how this is changing? It needs be in order for there to be a 'universal' type religion that can be led by a single leader. Getting closer every day.

I am always amazed when I visit the churches. It's like they have mostly become generic 'clones' of sorts, (at least what I have witnessed of the major denominations). It's like each has copied the changes that draw a crowd. They all now have their giant computer screen so no one really need even bother bringing their Bible, (didn't really need it before for there is rarely more than three or four lines of scripture that is used). They all have their own personal items for sale in their neat little 'book stores'. The music has turned into this contemporary POP music, (electric guitars, drums, semi-professional singers). And the pastors have all adopted this 'bad boy' spikey hair doo. Other than the frequency of the sacrament, it's really hard to tell them apart.
 
From another thread:
gingercat said:
They each have their favorite god to serve. They serve the image of their favorite philosophy about God which they have called "theology" to comfort themselves and in this way have made for themselves images of God to serve....

From this thread:
gingercat said:
But I dont believe a lot of protestants' doctrines either. Many of them are much worse than JW.
Again, a contradiction. You have your theology and we have ours. Why is it a god to us and not to you?
 
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