Jeremiah 1:5

[lisa-in-FL]

He wasn't in a glorified body, He appeared as a man.
They recognized Him through His works and not by sight like you say though.

Yeah, I was tired this morning when i wrote that
It doesn't really give an explanation for why they didn't recognize him by sight.

I'm just glad that Jesus knows me and I know Him!

 

[Razeontherock]

Now to really twist your biscuit...

Since we are to see Jesus/God "face to face" we will have to become timeless like God is.
This means that we:
Have been in Heaven
Are in Heaven
Will be in Heaven

So when we are told that Heaven is beyond comprehension and there are no words to describe it...it's an understatement.

One difference: God is from everlasting, to everlasting.

We? Not so much. We have a finite beginning, and no end to the eternity in our future. Kind of like a ... Ray.

 

[Razeontherock]

That is convincing! ...when as yet there were none of them...

I do believe that's talking about days, as in all the days of our lives

 

[Truthfrees]

Yes, babies do receive oxygen this way while being in the womb as it being the blood of the mother that produces this oxygen and once born they receive the very breath of God that makes them a living soul once the umbilical cord is cut.

so are you saying that they are not a living soul while in the womb taking in oxygen through the cord?

their heart is beating - they have brain waves - they kick their feet and and suck their thumb - they yawn and make other facial expressions - they get upset by loud sounds - and so much more - yet they are not living souls?

imo God breathed His breath/life/essence into the baby the instant they were conceived - God said i knit YOU together in the womb - a YOU isn't an IT - it's a person

but i respect your opinion if you believe differently than i do

God bless you my friend

 

[Truthfrees]

Eternity goes both directions on a time line.
Since God is not restricted by the "box" of time we, as glorified beings, have to see Him "face to face" as promised. We will "stand before Him".
In order for this to be accomplished we too will have to go outside of time.
And where our brains can't comprehend this we can apprehend the concept. It's going to be beyond what I can Invision...and I can fantasize a lot.

Of course God is our creator and we'll have no ability to surpass God. But we will be closer than ever before. And I find that unfathomable.

i agree eternity goes both directions in the time line

but if we are created at a certain point on the time line i can see us going forward and backward on our time line - our time line had a beginning

God can go backward and forward on His timeline - but since He has no beginning - He is truly eternal - He can go to infinity forward and infinity backward

i can only see us going to infinity forward - and to our created beginning backward

if we could go backward in infinity - we would have to go on God's eternity to go past our created beginning

or do you see something different?

 

[JohnDB]

i agree eternity goes both directions in the time line

but if we are created at a certain point on the time line i can see us going forward and backward on our time line - our time line had a beginning

God can go backward and forward on His timeline - but since He has no beginning - He is truly eternal - He can go to infinity forward and infinity backward

i can only see us going to infinity forward - and to our created beginning backward

if we could go backward in infinity - we would have to go on God's eternity to go past our created beginning

or do you see something different?

I see something radically different. Where time has no limitations on us. We might view time like a person might view a line on the road. And I like going off road.

What I am saying is that we cannot truly understand this. We apprehend it.

What if we are transformed (like Paul says) on the Last Day which is also known as Today which was the Day Jesus was crucified. (Not beyond the realm of possibilities).

Which is why I'm saying...I know that I cannot know or understand.
When/if I am ressurected on a date before I was born...it boggles my mind. It's not a question of who gets to heaven first.
And it would explain Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration.

 

[Truthfrees]

I see something radically different. Where time has no limitations on us. We might view time like a person might view a line on the road. And I like going off road.

What I am saying is that we cannot truly understand this. We apprehend it.

What if we are transformed (like Paul says) on the Last Day which is also known as Today which was the Day Jesus was crucified. (Not beyond the realm of possibilities).

Which is why I'm saying...I know that I cannot know or understand.
When/if I am ressurected on a date before I was born...it boggles my mind. It's not a question of who gets to heaven first.
And it would explain Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration.

ok - i see what you are saying - thanks for explaining - i will think more about what you are saying

i guess the way i see it there was no time until earth was created - and once the new earth is created after the millennium there will be no time again - there will only be eternal existence as there was when there was only God

so the linear time of infinity forward and backward disappears imo - and eternity rules again

i say this because there is no mention of days and hours pre-or post-creation

very interesting

 

[Luminous_Rose]

These are such intimate scriptures to me in the way that it baffles my mind to know that God was there with me, with His hands wrapped around me before I could remember, before I was born. How amazing and magnificent He is!

God is timeless. He knows what time is, but in a spiritual realm (such as Heaven), the time does not matter (Psalm 90:4). Nothing is impossible for God and we should not set limitations on Him. He knew we would one day be in our mother's womb and our identity.

I don't want to be harsh and want you to know the words you mentioned in the original post may rub some the wrong way. A lot of us had challenges growing up and some of us had traumas. I believe God placed me with my family for a reason even though they may not have been a first choice if I could choose. What about children of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse? The starving and ill children across the world? The silently and painfully aborted? Would they have chosen their families if they knew these things? Probably not.

I consider this a bit dangerous to say that we had an option and this is why we cannot recall the memories of being formed in our mothers or the day we were born with absolute certainty. There is nothing in the bible that states this.

It seems to me as if we are closest to God during our creation, at birth, and at death. Not saying we aren't close to Him in our life, but in creation that He formed us before we knew the evils of the world - how special, pure, and wonderful! Then at our death, we we are about to meey God as He brings us home.

 

[Razeontherock]

Yes, He knew us in that Omniscient sort of way, but it doesn't mean we knew Him back. Scripture is silent on the idea of us having any sort of "pre-sentience."

What speaks to that is many different books that LDS (Mormonism) use; I hold that and JW to be cults, based on who they profess Jesus to be. (Entirely different from Scripture) What's especially troublesome with these LDS books is they're written in a KJV style, even though they were written 100's of years after people stopped speaking like that. In other words, they're a fraud and they know it; they have to grasp at straws trying to latch onto any credibility, somehow. Easy enough to get taken in by such a trick.

 

[Truthfrees]

These are such intimate scriptures to me in the way that it baffles my mind to know that God was there with me, with His hands wrapped around me before I could remember, before I was born. How amazing and magnificent He is!

God is timeless. He knows what time is, but in a spiritual realm (such as Heaven), the time does not matter (Psalm 90:4). Nothing is impossible for God and we should not set limitations on Him. He knew we would one day be in our mother's womb and our identity.

I don't want to be harsh and want you to know the words you mentioned in the original post may rub some the wrong way. A lot of us had challenges growing up and some of us had traumas. I believe God placed me with my family for a reason even though they may not have been a first choice if I could choose. What about children of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse? The starving and ill children across the world? The silently and painfully aborted? Would they have chosen their families if they knew these things? Probably not.

I consider this a bit dangerous to say that we had an option and this is why we cannot recall the memories of being formed in our mothers or the day we were born with absolute certainty. There is nothing in the bible that states this.

It seems to me as if we are closest to God during our creation, at birth, and at death. Not saying we aren't close to Him in our life, but in creation that He formed us before we knew the evils of the world - how special, pure, and wonderful! Then at our death, we we are about to meey God as He brings us home.

wow - beautiful thoughts - well said