Bible Study Jerry Falwell on the Crucifixion

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Problem with this is that the Bible actually tells us what time of day Christ was crucified. It wasn't evening.

Mat 27:45
"Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour."

the sixth hour is between 11am-12pm and the ninth hour is 2-3pm.

Matthew 28:1-4
"After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men."

First day of the week is Sunday.
 
You know what I find funny? How so many mainstream scholars, evangelists and theologians are starting to believe what others were labeled as 'cults' for years for believing what they did.

H.W. Armstrong's Church of God has believed in the Wednesday - Sunday crucifixion date for years. He was laughed at by mainstream people.

Jehovah's Witnesses have denied the trinity doctrine and denied the immortality of the soul. This is mostly what has labeled them as a 'cult' From what I can see on this forum, many here deny the trinity doctrine as well and I doubt any of them are JW

Seventh Day Adventists have had some of their beliefs labeled as 'cultic doctrines' mainly the denial of immortality of the soul, annihilation and Sabbath observance. All of which have seen world wide mainstream acceptance, especially in the last 20 years.

It just goes to show how arrogant, judgmental and elitest we Christians can be in our thinking when someone's beliefs are different from what we've grown up believing. And yet when we really search the scriptures, we see that perhaps some of these views aren't as 'cultic' as we thought.
 
I find it sort of sad how so many people, well-respected or not, could just go on nit-picking about trivial things and completely ignoring the messages that are to be given by those stories... If we go through and try to properly date EVERYTHING in the Bible... First we have to correct our own calenders to coincide with theirs... As over time... Something's could be messed up in the lengths...

guibox, no offense, but you sound somewhat hypocritical... I can get what you are saying... Do not judge others and all... As from what history shows, their believes may not be that different then we thought...
Though I would hope such small differences would not make people laugh at them as 'cults', as i'm sure their beliefs have a few other things that would make them be called 'cults'...
But don't label just Christians as being the ones who say such things.... We are all humans after all...
 
If the resurrection of Jesus actually occurred on Sunday morning, it is odd indeed that the early church bureaucrates jumped on another reason to keep sunday, eg., the creation of the sun/light on the first day of the week.

Ignatius, Barnabas and Justin only timidly, secondarily, as an aside, gradually introduce the concept of a sunday resurrection of Christ.

http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/ ... day/7.html[/quote]
 
Bob10 said:
"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=24908
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This is a smoke screen put up by Jerry because he knows that Jesus was not dead for three days as is commonly claimed.
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"If you're going to spend exactly 3days and 3nights dead and in the tomb, you will rise at the same time of day you died -------- in Jesus' case it was late afternoon." Bob10
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"What bible have you read Bob?
"But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared." Luke 24:1

Mt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. (ASV mistranslates Mt 28:1 "Now late on the sabbath day")


Mark 16:1-2 And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Jn 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.

All four gospels say early on the first day of the week. So the real problem here is whether Jesus was dead for three days. I don't care what time system you use you can't no way, no how twist the events to show that Jesus was dead for three days and three nights. Jesus was crucified Friday afternoon. So you have in dead around 3 pm Friday afternoon which gives you Friday night ,all day Saturday , and Jesus was already missing by Sunday morning which means Jesus could have left anytime Saturday night. The best you can do is two nights and one day.
 
"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=24908
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I'm glad Jerry Falwell got something right this time. Good to see some are learning to count to three instead of labeling those who can properly count as a 'cult'. Actually, he died Wednesday afternoon, but he said "evening" presumably because that is the end of a Jewish day. The 3 days and 3 nights "in the heart of the earth" countdown started at interment, which was really the start of Thursday (the next feast day) of Unleavened Bread. Passover foreshadowed his death (Wednesday) and unleavened Bread (the NEXT day on the calendar) foreshadowed the start of the 3 days in the tomb--- two different events. Then Firstfruits came on the "morrow after the Sabbath" or Sunday, foreshadowed his resurrection.
 
liafailrock

Then Firstfruits came on the "morrow after the Sabbath" or Sunday, foreshadowed his resurrection.
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Are you saying Jesus rose on Sunday?
 
Bob10 said:
Are you saying Jesus rose on Sunday?
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Well, I'm not actually saying it. The Bible says it by virtue of the feast days. By our reckoning, it would have been late Saturday at Sundown, when the sabbath closed and the dawn of the next day began. The first day is also sometimes called the eighth day (c.f. circumcision) where the old passed away and the new begins--- new beginnings.
 
Bob10 said:
I don't see in the Bible where Jesus rose on sunday.

There is no biblical proof of it.

Sunday is a hoax day, just like december 25.

Christ rose from the dead late Sabbath afternoon.


http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/ ... day/3.html
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The resurrection is depicted prophetically in the feast of Firstfruits celebrated on the day after the weekly sabbath. Where does the Bible say Saturday afternoon? If he did not raise at the appointed feast time, then that feast antitype would have been skipped and prophecy would be false.

The time of his resurrection can be deduced by the fact he was in the tomb 72 hours. He was laid to rest at the start of Thurday at sundown according to the scriptures. He also said he'd be in the "heart of the earth" 3 days and 3 nights--- counting 3 days after the start of Thursday brings us to the close of the sabbath and the start of Sunday. And that makes sense since this brings us to the exact point in time that the Firstfruits begins.

I sense you are confusing the resurrection day (or what day it occurred) with the importance of the sabbath. The sabbath does not need the resurrection to be valid. The feast days only required 2 Sunday observances yearly (not weekly) : Firstfruits and Pentecost on the 50th day (or, 49 weeks later). I don't care if the resurrection was prophesied to occur on a Tuesday--- the sabbath is still the sabbath.
 
The first day of the week began at 6:00pm Saturday and ended 6:00pm Sunday.

So Christ would have been raised at any time between 6:oopm and dawn!
 
liafailrock said:
Bob10 said:
Are you saying Jesus rose on Sunday?
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Well, I'm not actually saying it. The Bible says it by virtue of the feast days. By our reckoning, it would have been late Saturday at Sundown, when the sabbath closed and the dawn of the next day began. The first day is also sometimes called the eighth day (c.f. circumcision) where the old passed away and the new begins--- new beginnings.
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Yup. That is correct. Bob, he is pretty close to what you are saying and what we have said in previous threads on this topic. At this point, we are mincing hours, not days.

evanman said:
The first day of the week began at 6:00pm Saturday and ended 6:00pm Sunday.

So Christ would have been raised at any time between 6:oopm and dawn!
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AMEN bro. That's exactly what the Bible suggests. It's so simple, isn't it?
 
The Sabbath also plays a part as to when the resurrection occurs.

The example of Christ's death and resurrection is tied in as an anti-type to creation which brings in the Sabbath.

As God worked six days and rested on the seventh, so Christ said "It is finished" and died on the sixth and finished His work of salvation for man. As the Sabbath is a memorial of redemption, Christ's saving work was ended. He rested in the grave on the seventh day as God 'rested in His works".

I'm not sure if Bob10 is implying that Christ resurrected sometime during the Sabbath. As an SDA, I'm surprised that he'd imply such a thing as the Sabbath is a day of rest and even in death, Christ was an example for us on observing the Sabbath and it fits the typological structure of God, paralleling the creative and redemptive work of God for His people.

Mary came when the sun came up on Sunday. However, as was previously mentioned, the day started at sundown on Saturday evening. I really don't understand the time reckoning that Christ didn't rise on Sunday.
 
Mary came when the sun came up on Sunday. However, as was previously mentioned, the day started at sundown on Saturday evening. I really don't understand the time reckoning that Christ didn't rise on Sunday.
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They didn't call after sundown of the seventh day Sunday back then, did they? As a matter of fact, neither do we. We use 12AM as the start of the new day. And as Evanman and myself have indicated, the Bible does not give us specifics other that implying somewhere after sunset but before sunrise. It's there, you know the verses. :-D
 
Vic said:
liafailrock said:
Bob10 said:
Are you saying Jesus rose on Sunday?
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Well, I'm not actually saying it. The Bible says it by virtue of the feast days. By our reckoning, it would have been late Saturday at Sundown, when the sabbath closed and the dawn of the next day began. The first day is also sometimes called the eighth day (c.f. circumcision) where the old passed away and the new begins--- new beginnings.
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Yup. That is correct. Bob, he is pretty close to what you are saying and what we have said in previous threads on this topic. At this point, we are mincing hours, not days.
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Vic:

So, Mary Magdalene didn't have a Timex? Shoot! :-D
 
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