Jesus came back.. and Destroyed Jerusalem

[researcher]

Ok Researcher well I would first like to see historical evidence of the AOD taking place.....

WHen did it happen,,in what year????????

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Dan 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.' (YLT)

It depends on who you think the "he" is in Dan 9:27

The word "cease" means "repose," which means to rest. He will cause the sacrifice to rest.

cease
H7673
????
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Jesus was the one who put sacrifice to rest when he died.

Heb 10:16 `This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws on their hearts, and upon their minds I will write them,'
Heb 10:17 and `their sins and their lawlessness I will remember no more;'
Heb 10:18 and where forgiveness of these is , there is no more offering for sin.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant he is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,
Heb 9:16 for where a covenant is , the death of the covenant-victim to come in is necessary,

The old covenant (sacrifices etc) were done away with with his death (Heb 9:15-16)
If it was Jesus who put sacrifice to rest, then that would have been around 33 AD

If it was the Roman commander who put the sacrifice to rest, then that would have happened around 69-70 AD during the siege and famine in Jerusalem. Sacrifices could not be offered any more after late 70 AD because the temple was gone.

At any rate, the city and sanctuary were destroyed like it says in Dan 9:26. Start from there and go backwards, lol

 

[Vic C.]

{THE}, I once believed as you do. I don't. No offense, but I can't be convinced to believe that which isn't true. Sorry. I don't take steps back. ;) Subject and object are Messiah and His people. The Daniel 9 passage in question is Messianic and I'm convinced that if/when you also realize that your current interpretation will become like shattered glass on a cement floor. You may fight it because it will cause you to reevaluate your entire end time structure.

Hey, I didn't ask for my beliefs to be changed, it came from lots of studying and scrutinizing scriptures I once thought were related. I fought; I even made fun of interpretations like this and what RND has proposed. I now see it in much the same way Daniel's people did when they read this. They had no conception of some distant antichrist and a distant future 7 year period. They had no conception of what the Lord's supper (communion) was to be. Why should they? It was written to them, not us.

The prophecy is much more immediate than that. They were in a period of soon expecting their Messiah, except, they missed Him.

That the Good Lord, we didn't. :amen

Oh, whether or not a letter is capped doesn't mean anything. I can show you scores of instances in the KJV when they spoke of Deity but never capped it.

 

[Vic C.]

Hey Researcher, I'm confused. are you quoting yourself (above) or did you put the quote tags in the wrong place?

 

[researcher]

Hey Researcher, I'm confused. are you quoting yourself (above) or did you put the quote tags in the wrong place?

I just re-posted what I put up earlier so (THE) could find it. ;)

 

[(THE)]

{THE}, I once believed as you do. I don't. No offense, but I can't be convinced to believe that which isn't true. Sorry. I don't take steps back. ;) Subject and object are Messiah and His people. The Daniel 9 passage in question is Messianic and I'm convinced that if/when you also realize that your current interpretation will become like shattered glass on a cement floor. You may fight it because it will cause you to reevaluate your entire end time structure.

Hey, I didn't ask for my beliefs to be changed, it came from lots of studying and scrutinizing scriptures I once thought were related. I fought; I even made fun of interpretations like this and what RND has proposed. I now see it in much the same way Daniel's people did when they read this. They had no conception of some distant antichrist and a distant future 7 year period. They had no conception of what the Lord's supper (communion) was to be. Why should they? It was written to them, not us.

The prophecy is much more immediate than that. They were in a period of soon expecting their Messiah, except, they missed Him.



That the Good Lord, we didn't. :amen

Oh, whether or not a letter is capped doesn't mean anything. I can show you scores of instances in the KJV when they spoke of Deity but never capped it.

Oh, whether or not a letter is capped doesn't mean anything. I can show you scores of instances in the KJV when they spoke of Deity but never capped it.

I wouldnt make a doctrine based on it,,just noticed that the word "Messiah" is capitolized and then the word "Himself" is capitolized because its refering to the Messiah Christ....


Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

But the word "prince" is not refering to Christ and its not capitolized,,,as a matter of fact neither is the word "he" in the following verse...

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The "he" is the "prince" spoken of in verse 26,,,satan.....again just clean cut observation.....

 

[(THE)]

Ok Researcher well I would first like to see historical evidence of the AOD taking place.....

WHen did it happen,,in what year????????

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Dan 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.' (YLT)

It depends on who you think the "he" is in Dan 9:27

The word "cease" means "repose," which means to rest. He will cause the sacrifice to rest.

cease
H7673
????
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Jesus was the one who put sacrifice to rest when he died.

Heb 10:16 `This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws on their hearts, and upon their minds I will write them,'
Heb 10:17 and `their sins and their lawlessness I will remember no more;'
Heb 10:18 and where forgiveness of these is , there is no more offering for sin.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant he is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,
Heb 9:16 for where a covenant is , the death of the covenant-victim to come in is necessary,

The old covenant (sacrifices etc) were done away with with his death (Heb 9:15-16)
If it was Jesus who put sacrifice to rest, then that would have been around 33 AD

If it was the Roman commander who put the sacrifice to rest, then that would have happened around 69-70 AD during the siege and famine in Jerusalem. Sacrifices could not be offered any more after late 70 AD because the temple was gone.

At any rate, the city and sanctuary were destroyed like it says in Dan 9:26. Start from there and go backwards, lol

Start from there and go backwards, lol

Hey I do that from time to time, ,,your on, :yes ,,hopefully I can post later 2night,,,

 

[RND]

Your right,,,but it does mention wings,,,,,out of all the words that could have been used "wings" was chosen,,,why????? I believe I just told ya.....Satan will come down quit a peaceful and he will be upon you before you know it.......

Wings was chosen in only certain translations, not all.

But regardless of all that ,,,the proof that this person comes in on the wings of desolation has been proven.....

I wouldn't agree with that.

So to say the person being spoken of Daniel 9:27 speaks of Christ is wrong....

For hundreds of years most theologians have agreed that this was a prophecy regarding the Messiah. It's only been in recent times, the last 200 years so, with the advent of the secret rapture teaching that Dan 9:27 was considered to be some else.

Daniel 9:27 And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Jesus) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he (Jesus) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

He even told us what He did:

Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This fits together just like Forrest Gump would say. "Like peas and carrots."

Unless you wanna say Christ comes in on the wings of abomination,,,,,but he comes back in GLory King of Kings with a rod....

Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week?

 

[RND]

The "he" is the "prince" spoken of in verse 26,,,satan.....again just clean cut observation.....

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Hbr 10:12 But this man (Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

One sacrifice for sins for ever - no more sacrifices are needed or necessary nor available.

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

It can't possibly be more succinct that this!

Hebrews 10 also tells us what covenant He confirmed:

Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(THE) you are insisting that these are things Satan has done, or will do. Thus, you are attributing the work of the Messiah to Satan.

 

[samuel]

To consider that anyone other than Christ is being spoken of in Daniel 9:27, is to break all the rules of Bible interpretation.

You have to consider the whole passage 9:24-27, who is this talking about. To whom is it being said. And at what time did/or will this occur.

Its talking about the Prince = Christ, the completion of his Ministry = should have been the 70th week. But the covenant = the coming Kingdom was broken in the midst, because of overspreading = continuing abominations = continual disobedience. And the army of the Prince = Christ, the Romans, destroyed the Temple down to every last rock AD 70.

Another thing about interpreting this verse as the New Order does, is that it makes a tribulation period of 7 years, sorry the Bible does not uphold this interpretation. Nowhere will you find any but 1260 days, 3.5 years supported. The Times of Jacob's troubles.

 

[(THE)]

Your right,,,but it does mention wings,,,,,out of all the words that could have been used "wings" was chosen,,,why????? I believe I just told ya.....Satan will come down quit a peaceful and he will be upon you before you know it.......

Wings was chosen in only certain translations, not all.

But regardless of all that ,,,the proof that this person comes in on the wings of desolation has been proven.....

I wouldn't agree with that.

[quote:1ou7lit0]So to say the person being spoken of Daniel 9:27 speaks of Christ is wrong....

For hundreds of years most theologians have agreed that this was a prophecy regarding the Messiah. It's only been in recent times, the last 200 years so, with the advent of the secret rapture teaching that Dan 9:27 was considered to be some else.

Daniel 9:27 And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Jesus) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he (Jesus) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

He even told us what He did:

Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This fits together just like Forrest Gump would say. "Like peas and carrots."

Unless you wanna say Christ comes in on the wings of abomination,,,,,but he comes back in GLory King of Kings with a rod....

Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week?[/quote:1ou7lit0]


:armed

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

satan/antichrist is here to conquer,,he will come in peaceful (on wings if you will) and he will manipulate peace treaties and agreements to conquer people and land.....

All the time he is doing this,,,,, he is telling the people,,,,,,,,, he is Jesus Christ returned,,,,notice it says "at the same time",,,,,,, at the same time he is conquering he will be saying im Jesus Christ returned,,,therefore there is no need to take communion or give any offering to the Lord because i am here.....

 

[(THE)]

To consider that anyone other than Christ is being spoken of in Daniel 9:27, is to break all the rules of Bible interpretation.

You have to consider the whole passage 9:24-27, who is this talking about. To whom is it being said. And at what time did/or will this occur.

Its talking about the Prince = Christ, the completion of his Ministry = should have been the 70th week. But the covenant = the coming Kingdom was broken in the midst, because of overspreading = continuing abominations = continual disobedience. And the army of the Prince = Christ, the Romans, destroyed the Temple down to every last rock AD 70.

Another thing about interpreting this verse as the New Order does, is that it makes a tribulation period of 7 years, sorry the Bible does not uphold this interpretation. Nowhere will you find any but 1260 days, 3.5 years supported. The Times of Jacob's troubles.

Really,,,,,, so when Christ said all these things would happen in one generation,,,,,,he really meant it would take over 1900 years ..........so where is the generation of 70ad,,,,,the genration that sees the temple destroyed will see CHrist return.... O let me give the scripture so there no hard feelings here...

26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! Titus and the Roman empire was not the destruction Christ was talking about please see Zecheriah 14.......

 

[(THE)]

The "he" is the "prince" spoken of in verse 26,,,satan.....again just clean cut observation.....

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Hbr 10:12 But this man (Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

One sacrifice for sins for ever - no more sacrifices are needed or necessary nor available.

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

It can't possibly be more succinct that this!

Hebrews 10 also tells us what covenant He confirmed:

Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(THE) you are insisting that these are things Satan has done, or will do. Thus, you are attributing the work of the Messiah to Satan.

Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering Thou didst not desire; Mine ears hast Thou opened: Burnt offering and sin offering hast Thou not required

The problem is you dont understand what the daily oblation is....

Here it is in a nut shell bro,,,GOD doesnt want you burnt offerings or your incense or that crap......He wants love ,,,pure Love......Before Christ died he told us to take the wine/blood and the bread/body in remembrance of Him.......Now I dont know who you study wit or kick it wit,,,but this is my daily oblation........This is what God requires in remembrance of our Lord...

satan will take this away........

 

[(THE)]

The "he" is the "prince" spoken of in verse 26,,,satan.....again just clean cut observation.....

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Hbr 10:12 But this man (Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

One sacrifice for sins for ever - no more sacrifices are needed or necessary nor available.

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

It can't possibly be more succinct that this!

Hebrews 10 also tells us what covenant He confirmed:

Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(THE) you are insisting that these are things Satan has done, or will do. Thus, you are attributing the work of the Messiah to Satan.

(THE) you are insisting that these are things Satan has done, or will do. Thus, you are attributing the work of the Messiah to Satan.

[/quote]

LOL this from the guy who says ,,,,Christ comes in on the wings of abomination......

How is it you already think satan is Christ ,,,and he aint here yet????????

 

[RND]

Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering Thou didst not desire; Mine ears hast Thou opened: Burnt offering and sin offering hast Thou not required

Which Paul quotes in Hebrews 10.

The problem is you dont understand what the daily oblation is....

Here it is in a nut shell bro,,,GOD doesnt want you burnt offerings or your incense or that crap......He wants love ,,,pure Love......Before Christ died he told us to take the wine/blood and the bread/body in remembrance of Him.......Now I dont know who you study wit or kick it wit,,,but this is my daily oblation........This is what God requires in remembrance of our Lord...

satan will take this away........

By suggesting that communion is the oblation (verse 27 doesn't call it a "daily oblation) you would be suggesting that Satan has ended this practice. Again I ask, how did he do this? You haven't provided an explaination.

 

[RND]

satan/antichrist is here to conquer,,he will come in peaceful (on wings if you will) and he will manipulate peace treaties and agreements to conquer people and land.....

Honestly, I could get this from a Tim Lahaye book. I asked "how" does Satan do this, not what you think will happen.

All the time he is doing this,,,,, he is telling the people,,,,,,,,, he is Jesus Christ returned,,,,notice it says "at the same time",,,,,,, at the same time he is conquering he will be saying im Jesus Christ returned,,,therefore there is no need to take communion or give any offering to the Lord because i am here.....

Again, this seems like you're trying to convince me of something rather than explain something.

Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week?

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Just saying "here I am, I'm Jesus" doesn't seem to confirm a covenant to me.

 

[RND]

LOL this from the guy who says ,,,,Christ comes in on the wings of abomination......

I never said any such thing.

How is it you already think satan is Christ ,,,and he aint here yet????????

Again, I've never suggested any such thing.

What I think is sad is that instead of explaining your position and using scripture to do so you have to twist what other people have said in order to deflect attention away from yourself. I asked some pertinent questions after backing up my belief and position with scripture. That is something you haven't done. Plus you've had others tell you the position you are holding on to is incorrect.

How about using scripture to explain your position?

You insist that verse 9:27 is pointing to Satan. Great. Could you confirm this view by pointing to the scriptures that show Satan confirms the covenant and cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

 

[(THE)]

Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering Thou didst not desire; Mine ears hast Thou opened: Burnt offering and sin offering hast Thou not required

Which Paul quotes in Hebrews 10.

The problem is you dont understand what the daily oblation is....

Here it is in a nut shell bro,,,GOD doesnt want you burnt offerings or your incense or that crap......He wants love ,,,pure Love......Before Christ died he told us to take the wine/blood and the bread/body in remembrance of Him.......Now I dont know who you study wit or kick it wit,,,but this is my daily oblation........This is what God requires in remembrance of our Lord...

satan will take this away........

By suggesting that communion is the oblation (verse 27 doesn't call it a "daily oblation) you would be suggesting that Satan has ended this practice. Again I ask, how did he do this? You haven't provided an explaination.

Satan has not ended the practice of communion yet ,,,,,but he will :yes

How did/ will he do this??????????

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

satan has just arrived on the scene,,,,,,as we can see he has 2 horns like a lamb......The Lamb represent Christ.....

Revelation 5:12 >>
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Satan in going to try and steal these riches and strength and honor and glory,,,,by pretending he is Jesus....

Rev. 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

As you can see he has the power to trick humanity,,,,and he will convince the world he is Christ....

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Here we see the earth being deceived by this false one emulating Christ......

Your right RND satan cant just pop up and say dont take communion,,,he has to trick the people first into believing he is Christ,,,then the world will do whatever he wants and its going to be easy because God is allowing it....

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

With GOd helping satan is not going to have any trouble convincing the world he is Christ returned,,,,and while doing this he will be setting up peace treaties everywhere,,Christ is known as the prince of peace,,,so when satan does arrive he must act peaceful or people wont believe he is Christ.....

But,,,They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.....

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Ok friend ,,if you believe Christ took away the daily sacrifice,,,then explain this verse?????

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Christ died on the cross 2000 years ago,,,,,thats like 730,000 days ago.....

But the scripture says there will only be 1,290 days after the sacrifice is taking away........

 

[(THE)]

satan/antichrist is here to conquer,,he will come in peaceful (on wings if you will) and he will manipulate peace treaties and agreements to conquer people and land.....

Honestly, I could get this from a Tim Lahaye book. I asked "how" does Satan do this, not what you think will happen.

All the time he is doing this,,,,, he is telling the people,,,,,,,,, he is Jesus Christ returned,,,,notice it says "at the same time",,,,,,, at the same time he is conquering he will be saying im Jesus Christ returned,,,therefore there is no need to take communion or give any offering to the Lord because i am here.....

Again, this seems like you're trying to convince me of something rather than explain something.

Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week?

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Just saying "here I am, I'm Jesus" doesn't seem to confirm a covenant to me.

Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the middle of the 70th week?

Satan.........

How does Satan confirm the covenant and at the same time cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

when satan arrives the 1 world system will be in disarray

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

THe 1 world system is not going to work,,,satan will have to fix it by making peace treaties (covenant) but all the while he is just setting himself up to control the masses and be Christ...

 

[(THE)]

LOL this from the guy who says ,,,,Christ comes in on the wings of abomination......

I never said any such thing.

How is it you already think satan is Christ ,,,and he aint here yet????????

Again, I've never suggested any such thing.

What I think is sad is that instead of explaining your position and using scripture to do so you have to twist what other people have said in order to deflect attention away from yourself. I asked some pertinent questions after backing up my belief and position with scripture. That is something you haven't done. Plus you've had others tell you the position you are holding on to is incorrect.

How about using scripture to explain your position?

You insist that verse 9:27 is pointing to Satan. Great. Could you confirm this view by pointing to the scriptures that show Satan confirms the covenant and cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

Plus you've had others tell you the position you are holding on to is incorrect

Im sure when satan arrives I will have people telling me im wrong for saying hes a fake also,,,kinda comes with the territory

 

[RND]

Satan has not ended the practice of communion yet ,,,,,but he will :yes

How?

How did/ will he do this??????????

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

That verse speaks of the United States, not Satan!

satan has just arrived on the scene,,,,,,as we can see he has 2 horns like a lamb......The Lamb represent Christ.....

The "beast" rising out of the land is a political entity. Beasts in Bible prophecy always represent kingdoms. Horns represent power. What are the two horns of the USA's power? The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. This "beast" speaks like a dragon. How do nations speak? Through the leaders and their laws. This beast makes an image to the beast in verses 1-5.

Revelation 5:12 >>
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Satan in going to try and steal these riches and strength and honor and glory,,,,by pretending he is Jesus....

That's a great statement devoid of any scriptural facts frankly.

Rev. 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

As you can see he has the power to trick humanity,,,,and he will convince the world he is Christ....

This is alluding to 1 Kings 18:18-40 when Elijah called down the "fire" of God that the prophets of Baal couldn't. It represents the false spirit that the enemies of God will use to make an image to the first beast. It represents spiritualism.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Here we see the earth being deceived by this false one emulating Christ......

What we see here is a spiritualism in action. The beast that was wounded and did live was wounded in 1798 when Berthier overthrew the Papacy and it was restored to life when Mussolini signed the Concordant of 1929.

Your right RND satan cant just pop up and say dont take communion,,,he has to trick the people first into believing he is Christ,,,then the world will do whatever he wants and its going to be easy because God is allowing it....

Again, that sounds quite fanciful and I don't believe you have offered any scriptures to prove your point.

How is Satan (working through the churches) going to make me stop taking communion?

With GOd helping satan is not going to have any trouble convincing the world he is Christ returned,,,,and while doing this he will be setting up peace treaties everywhere,,Christ is known as the prince of peace,,,so when satan does arrive he must act peaceful or people wont believe he is Christ.....

So God helps Satan deceive the earth? God Himself helps Satan impersonate Jesus? Then can't God be blamed?

But,,,They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.....

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

http://biblicalresearch.gc.adventist.or ... niel12.htm

Ok friend ,,if you believe Christ took away the daily sacrifice,,,then explain this verse?????

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Gladly. Two things have to happen before the 1,290 days clock starts. 1) the daily has to be taken away and 2) the abomination of desolation is set up. Set up means to become active. These days are not literal days but work under the "day/year" principal. See Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6.

Christ died on the cross 2000 years ago,,,,,thats like 730,000 days ago.....

Day for a year.

But the scripture says there will only be 1,290 days after the sacrifice is taking away........

You forgot to add the setting up of the abomination of desolation. The abomination of desolation sets itself up in the temple of God where it not ought to be. Where is the temple of God?