Jesus came back.. and Destroyed Jerusalem

[(THE)]

Thats just crazy,,,,I ask because If they believe matthew 24 has happened,,,then they believe the AOD has happen,,,,,if the AOD has happen that means satan has been kicked out and is here on earth....

Proof that Satan was kicked out of heaven is the fact he appeared in the Garden of Eden. The AOD is at this time being set up.

That means that when satan really does get kicked out,,, preterist might belive satan is Christ because there chronolical order of ending events is all screwy....

(THE) Jesus never stated anything about Satan being kicked out of heaven in Mat. 24.

[quote:29bi6o6u]I get the feeling preterist believe the next huge event will be Christ returned,,,if thats the case there going to get a big surprise when the 7th trump actually blows........

That I agree with. Preterist's are sorely in error.[/quote:29bi6o6u]

Proof that Satan was kicked out of heaven is the fact he appeared in the Garden of Eden. The AOD is at this time being set up.

I believe he was locked up some time after that,,,I believe he is currently behind the thrown of God where he accuses....

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

a short time,,,,,if satan has been loose on earth since the garden thats not a short time.....

Jesus never stated anything about Satan being kicked out of heaven in Mat. 24.

Well what he said is when you see the AOD,,, flee if you are in Jerusalem......For the AOD to happen satan must be here on earth,,,

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

 

[RND]

I believe he was locked up some time after that,,,I believe he is currently behind the thrown of God where he accuses....

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

a short time,,,,,if satan has been loose on earth since the garden thats not a short time.....

If we read 2 Peter 3:18 then it's only been six days. That doesn't seem so long.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Well what he said is when you see the AOD,,, flee if you are in Jerusalem......For the AOD to happen satan must be here on earth,,,

Jesus wasn't speaking regarding Satan. The AOD isn't Satan.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

This refers to Jesus, not some magical anti-christ figure. Jesus confirmed the covenant, Jesus died in the middle of the last week making animal sacrifice and temple oblation to cease. Jesus declared the house of Israel was "desolate."

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

 

[(THE)]

I believe he was locked up some time after that,,,I believe he is currently behind the thrown of God where he accuses....

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

a short time,,,,,if satan has been loose on earth since the garden thats not a short time.....

If we read 2 Peter 3:18 then it's only been six days. That doesn't seem so long.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Well what he said is when you see the AOD,,, flee if you are in Jerusalem......For the AOD to happen satan must be here on earth,,,

Jesus wasn't speaking regarding Satan. The AOD isn't Satan.

[quote:2jsfl05m]Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

This refers to Jesus, not some magical anti-christ figure. Jesus confirmed the covenant, Jesus died in the middle of the last week making animal sacrifice and temple oblation to cease. Jesus declared the house of Israel was "desolate."

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.[/quote:2jsfl05m]

I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

 

[RND]

I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

Well, I don't think that what the Hebrew says so you'd have to show me. Daniel 9:24-27 is referring to the Messiah.

 

[Vic C.]

I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

Well, I don't think that what the Hebrew says so you'd have to show me. Daniel 9:24-27 is referring to the Messiah.

It took me years to finally get that. That passage is central to pinpointing the time of arrival for Messiah, which they (the Jews) missed... most anyway. It also points out the consequences they would face for rejecting the Messiah.

 

[RND]

[quote="(THE)":3jv44a89]I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

Well, I don't think that what the Hebrew says so you'd have to show me. Daniel 9:24-27 is referring to the Messiah.

It took me years to finally get that. That passage is central to pinpointing the time of arrival for Messiah, which they (the Jews) missed... most anyway. It also points out the consequences they would face for rejecting the Messiah.[/quote:3jv44a89] Vic. thanks for that confirmation of what you once believed as opposed to what you now believe. Paul tells us succinctly that this prophecy was fulfilled:

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law

The fulness of "the" time. No other book has such a detail time prophecy as Daniel. Even Jesus told the Pharisees what they were missing:

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?

Times. The prophecies of Daniel. The pharisees missed them. Funny how the men from the east (Babylon) didn't!

 

[(THE)]

I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

Well, I don't think that what the Hebrew says so you'd have to show me. Daniel 9:24-27 is referring to the Messiah.

WHY RND are you saying you dont believe me :o but seriously that what the manuscripts say....

Why dont you have a look,,,if you cant find it (which im sure you will) I will post on it....

Hey dont be afraid to prove your self wrong......

 

[(THE)]

[quote="(THE)":ukni4ad7]I only have a moment,,but in the Hebrew it says on the wings of abomination shall the desolator enter,,,,Christ does not come on the wings of abomination friend...later

Well, I don't think that what the Hebrew says so you'd have to show me. Daniel 9:24-27 is referring to the Messiah.

It took me years to finally get that. That passage is central to pinpointing the time of arrival for Messiah, which they (the Jews) missed... most anyway. It also points out the consequences they would face for rejecting the Messiah.[/quote:ukni4ad7]

Same thing VIc........

The manuscripts say on the wings of abomination shall this person come in,,,,,,Jesus Christ has never nor will he ever be attributed to abomination.......

 

[RND]

WHY RND are you saying you dont believe me :o but seriously that what the manuscripts say....

I didn't say I didn't believe you, I said I would need some proof.

Why dont you have a look,,,if you cant find it (which im sure you will) I will post on it....

I didn't bring up the point (THE) you did. It isn't for me to confirm what you said.

Hey dont be afraid to prove your self wrong......

(THE) I'm not afraid to prove myself wrong I'm interested in seeing what evidence you might have to confirm your statement.

 

[researcher]

Ok Researcher well I would first like to see historical evidence of the AOD taking place.....

WHen did it happen,,in what year????????

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Dan 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.' (YLT)

It depends on who you think the "he" is in Dan 9:27

The word "cease" means "repose," which means to rest. He will cause the sacrifice to rest.

cease
H7673
????
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Jesus was the one who put sacrifice to rest when he died.

Heb 10:16 `This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws on their hearts, and upon their minds I will write them,'
Heb 10:17 and `their sins and their lawlessness I will remember no more;'
Heb 10:18 and where forgiveness of these is , there is no more offering for sin.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant he is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,
Heb 9:16 for where a covenant is , the death of the covenant-victim to come in is necessary,

The old covenant (sacrifices etc) were done away with with his death (Heb 9:15-16)
If it was Jesus who put sacrifice to rest, then that would have been around 33 AD

If it was the Roman commander who put the sacrifice to rest, then that would have happened around 69-70 AD during the siege and famine in Jerusalem. Sacrifices could not be offered any more after late 70 AD because the temple was gone.

At any rate, the city and sanctuary were destroyed like it says in Dan 9:26. Start from there and go backwards, lol

 

[researcher]

Christ does not come on the wings of abomination

The wing of abomination would be the armies of Rome. He used them to destroy Jerusalem and the people there.

Mar 12:6 He had yet one, a beloved son: he sent him last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mar 12:7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
Mar 12:8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him forth out of the vineyard.
Mar 12:9 What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do?

he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

 

[RND]

Same thing VIc........

The manuscripts say on the wings of abomination shall this person come in,,,,,,Jesus Christ has never nor will he ever be attributed to abomination.......

(THE) Jesus is not referred to in Daniel 9:27 as "the abomination" but was to come and end the sacrifices because of "the overspreading of abominations."

 

[(THE)]

WHY RND are you saying you dont believe me :o but seriously that what the manuscripts say....

I didn't say I didn't believe you, I said I would need some proof.

Why dont you have a look,,,if you cant find it (which im sure you will) I will post on it....

I didn't bring up the point (THE) you did. It isn't for me to confirm what you said.

[quote:1fu95oc9]Hey dont be afraid to prove your self wrong......

(THE) I'm not afraid to prove myself wrong I'm interested in seeing what evidence you might have to confirm your statement.[/quote:1fu95oc9]

Sorry bro I dont have my usaul set of resources in front of me at the moment,,,,buttttttt

and remember this is something im shocked to hear you dont already know......

The plural participle translated as "desolations" (shomemoth) in 9:26, which includes the destruction of Jerusalem, is in the context of the conflict between the kingdoms of this world with God continuing until the end of history, and is also directly related to the same participle (shomem) in the singular state in 8:13. In Dn. 8:13 the singular participle, "causing desolation", is attributed to the compound subject representing the singular activity of self-exaltation against God, namely "the daily" and "the transgression" which desolates. This desolation also covers the entire expanse of time of the 2300-year prophecy until the end of time. Thus, the desolating activity of 9:26 is directly related with 8:13 in a continual historical setting but with an end-time emphasis in the context of the 2300-year prophecy.

In verse 27, Shea adds the definite article "the" in the phrase "upon a wing of abominations" which conveys the sense that the phrase alludes to the previous activity associated with the Messiah in Jerusalem. He also emends the text by adding the phrase "shall come": "and upon the wing of abominations shall come a desolator." By these emendations Shea implies that the abominations were to come first and the desolator was to follow thereafter in terms of time.(115) Furthermore, Shea proceeds again to redefine the meaning of the preposition, `ad, in the next phrase from the correct meaning of "until an end" or "unto an end" to the incorrect translation, "at the end". This creates a new thought pattern rather than continuing the thought pattern associated with the "wing of abominations". The thrust of Shea's emendations and arguments focuses entirely on the destruction of Jerusalem. These emendations are linguistically unacceptable and lead to a false understanding.

ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate

ERV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.

ESV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of
the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall
come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

MAn im tryin to just put Hebrew script up but its not comin out right ,,,stupid computer anyhow when I get home Il be able to do more but as you can see im not the only one who fells this way......

yci’xw] : dx'a , [W: bvå ' ~yBriÞ l: ' tyrI±B . ryBgiî h> wi > WTT Daniel 9:27
~mveê om . ‘~ycWi Qv i @nK:Ü . l[;’w > hx'ªn>mWi xb;z <å ŸtyBiävy. : [W: bøVh' ;
p `~mve( -o l[ ; %TT;Þ i hc'êrx" n/ w<å > ‘hlK' -' d[w; >

see what I mean.....

 

[Vic C.]

Same thing VIc........

The manuscripts say on the wings of abomination shall this person come in,,,,,,Jesus Christ has never nor will he ever be attributed to abomination.......

I agree. But nowhere in Daniel's passage does it say Messiah is the "cause" of the abominations. His crucifixion is the reason why sacrifices were to be no more.

 

[Vic C.]

The daily oblation and sacrifice is what we call holy communion ,,,so I will need evidence of someone taking away that.....

Oh goodness, I just saw this! Daniel 9 has absolutely nothing to do with NT ordinances/sacraments. It was written to and about people who were under the Law and were "obligated" to give an offering up to God at an alter; hence the "sacrifice and the oblation" which were no longer required under the New Covenant.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second....

... Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Hebrews 8 is a wonderful testimony to what was accomplished in Daniel 9:27 :amen :amen :amen

 

[RND]

Sorry bro I dont have my usaul set of resources in front of me at the moment,,,,buttttttt

and remember this is something im shocked to hear you dont already know.....

What would make you think I don't know these things?

The plural participle translated as "desolations" (shomemoth) in 9:26, which includes the destruction of Jerusalem, is in the context of the conflict between the kingdoms of this world with God continuing until the end of history, and is also directly related to the same participle (shomem) in the singular state in 8:13. In Dn. 8:13 the singular participle, "causing desolation", is attributed to the compound subject representing the singular activity of self-exaltation against God, namely "the daily" and "the transgression" which desolates. This desolation also covers the entire expanse of time of the 2300-year prophecy until the end of time. Thus, the desolating activity of 9:26 is directly related with 8:13 in a continual historical setting but with an end-time emphasis in the context of the 2300-year prophecy.

That's regarding verse 26. Had you asked me about verse 26 I could have told you that until the end of time desolations would happen.

In verse 27, Shea adds the definite article "the" in the phrase "upon a wing of abominations" which conveys the sense that the phrase alludes to the previous activity associated with the Messiah in Jerusalem. He also emends the text by adding the phrase "shall come": "and upon the wing of abominations shall come a desolator." By these emendations Shea implies that the abominations were to come first and the desolator was to follow thereafter in terms of time.(115) Furthermore, Shea proceeds again to redefine the meaning of the preposition, `ad, in the next phrase from the correct meaning of "until an end" or "unto an end" to the incorrect translation, "at the end". This creates a new thought pattern rather than continuing the thought pattern associated with the "wing of abominations". The thrust of Shea's emendations and arguments focuses entirely on the destruction of Jerusalem. These emendations are linguistically unacceptable and lead to a false understanding.

The thing I'm having trouble with is finding the term "wing(s) of abomination."

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The word used for overspreading is also used for "another" in Kings. How come we don't use it for "the overspreading of abominations"? Because it wouldn't make sense. And when it says, "and for the overspreading of abominations "he" shall make [it] desolate" that isn't speaking of another "he" as the verses you posted seem to suggest.

"...in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate..." In the middle of the week "he" causes the sacrifice to cease. This can only be referring to Jesus and no one else. Why does He cause the sacrifice to cease? "...for the overspreading of abominations..."

ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate

ERV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.

ESV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of
the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall
come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

MAn im tryin to just put Hebrew script up but its not comin out right ,,,stupid computer anyhow when I get home Il be able to do more but as you can see im not the only one who fells this way......

yci’xw] : dx'a , [W: bvå ' ~yBriÞ l: ' tyrI±B . ryBgiî h> wi > WTT Daniel 9:27
~mveê om . ‘~ycWi Qv i @nK:Ü . l[;’w > hx'ªn>mWi xb;z <å ŸtyBiävy. : [W: bøVh' ;
p `~mve( -o l[ ; %TT;Þ i hc'êrx" n/ w<å > ‘hlK' -' d[w; >

see what I mean.....

I think taking things into proper context is always helpful. The word kanaph doesn't always mean "wing or wings". In fact the word is used for many different types of descriptions based on contextual usage. How a Hebrew, Aramaic word in this case, is used depends upon the setting in which it is being used. Either way it doesn't change the fact that in saying that "the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate" Jesus indeed left the house of Israel desolate.

 

[(THE)]

[quote="(THE)":1ouri43f]Same thing VIc........

The manuscripts say on the wings of abomination shall this person come in,,,,,,Jesus Christ has never nor will he ever be attributed to abomination.......

I agree. But nowhere in Daniel's passage does it say Messiah is the "cause" of the abominations. His crucifixion is the reason why sacrifices were to be no more.[/quote:1ouri43f]

Your right,,,,,Because Christ is not the cause of the abominations,,,,,,,the way I see it is we must folow subject and object....

lets take a step back

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (JESUS CHrist) be cut off, but not for Himself: (Jesus Christ) and the people of the prince (satan) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall (notice the small "h" in (he) this is satan ,,confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (satan) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he (satan) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

What we have here is satan standing in Jerusalem,,,claiming to be God,,,he will tell the people that he is Christ returned,,,,and there is no-more need to take communion....

insert ----- The daily offering was the daily oblation or sacrifice, and it was fulfilled at the cross of Christ. In the New Testament Jesus gave us the Communion table, the bread and the wine to remember the the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice. In Daniel 9:27 that oblation of the communion table will be done away with because the people, even the churches will think that Satan is Christ and has returned. Christ is our oblation for ever more, and at his return it will cease; and this is why the churches will stop taking communion, they will be worshipping the false christ. Jesus sacrifice is the only sacrifice given for all times.

 

[(THE)]

Sorry bro I dont have my usaul set of resources in front of me at the moment,,,,buttttttt

and remember this is something im shocked to hear you dont already know.....

What would make you think I don't know these things?

The plural participle translated as "desolations" (shomemoth) in 9:26, which includes the destruction of Jerusalem, is in the context of the conflict between the kingdoms of this world with God continuing until the end of history, and is also directly related to the same participle (shomem) in the singular state in 8:13. In Dn. 8:13 the singular participle, "causing desolation", is attributed to the compound subject representing the singular activity of self-exaltation against God, namely "the daily" and "the transgression" which desolates. This desolation also covers the entire expanse of time of the 2300-year prophecy until the end of time. Thus, the desolating activity of 9:26 is directly related with 8:13 in a continual historical setting but with an end-time emphasis in the context of the 2300-year prophecy.

That's regarding verse 26. Had you asked me about verse 26 I could have told you that until the end of time desolations would happen.

[quote:2hvqu30v]In verse 27, Shea adds the definite article "the" in the phrase "upon a wing of abominations" which conveys the sense that the phrase alludes to the previous activity associated with the Messiah in Jerusalem. He also emends the text by adding the phrase "shall come": "and upon the wing of abominations shall come a desolator." By these emendations Shea implies that the abominations were to come first and the desolator was to follow thereafter in terms of time.(115) Furthermore, Shea proceeds again to redefine the meaning of the preposition, `ad, in the next phrase from the correct meaning of "until an end" or "unto an end" to the incorrect translation, "at the end". This creates a new thought pattern rather than continuing the thought pattern associated with the "wing of abominations". The thrust of Shea's emendations and arguments focuses entirely on the destruction of Jerusalem. These emendations are linguistically unacceptable and lead to a false understanding.

The thing I'm having trouble with is finding the term "wing(s) of abomination."

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The word used for overspreading is also used for "another" in Kings. How come we don't use it for "the overspreading of abominations"? Because it wouldn't make sense. And when it says, "and for the overspreading of abominations "he" shall make [it] desolate" that isn't speaking of another "he" as the verses you posted seem to suggest.

"...in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate..." In the middle of the week "he" causes the sacrifice to cease. This can only be referring to Jesus and no one else. Why does He cause the sacrifice to cease? "...for the overspreading of abominations..."

ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate

ERV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of
the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of
abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that
determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.

ESV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of
the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall
come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

MAn im tryin to just put Hebrew script up but its not comin out right ,,,stupid computer anyhow when I get home Il be able to do more but as you can see im not the only one who fells this way......

yci’xw] : dx'a , [W: bvå ' ~yBriÞ l: ' tyrI±B . ryBgiî h> wi > WTT Daniel 9:27
~mveê om . ‘~ycWi Qv i @nK:Ü . l[;’w > hx'ªn>mWi xb;z <å ŸtyBiävy. : [W: bøVh' ;
p `~mve( -o l[ ; %TT;Þ i hc'êrx" n/ w<å > ‘hlK' -' d[w; >

see what I mean.....

I think taking things into proper context is always helpful. The word kanaph doesn't always mean "wing or wings". In fact the word is used for many different types of descriptions based on contextual usage. How a Hebrew, Aramaic word in this case, is used depends upon the setting in which it is being used. Either way it doesn't change the fact that in saying that "the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate" Jesus indeed left the house of Israel desolate.[/quote:2hvqu30v]

I look at it like this,,,,when a animal comes in using wings it usaully come in quit a peaceful or it will scare of its prey,,,,,also believe he will come in on the wings of a eagle,,,no what a eagle represents???

Again I will power up later when im home......

 

[RND]

I look at it like this,,,,when a animal comes in using wings it usaully come in quit a peaceful or it will scare of its prey,,,,,also believe he will come in on the wings of a eagle,,,no what a eagle represents???

Again I will power up later when im home......

Daniel 9:27 doesn't speak of animals. Or birds for that matter.

 

[(THE)]

I look at it like this,,,,when a animal comes in using wings it usaully come in quit a peaceful or it will scare of its prey,,,,,also believe he will come in on the wings of a eagle,,,no what a eagle represents???

Again I will power up later when im home......

Daniel 9:27 doesn't speak of animals. Or birds for that matter.

Your right,,,but it does mention wings,,,,,out of all the words that could have been used "wings" was chosen,,,why????? I believe I just told ya.....Satan will come down quit a peaceful and he will be upon you before you know it.......

But regardless of all that ,,,the proof that this person comes in on the wings of desolation has been proven.....So to say the person being spoken of Daniel 9:27 speaks of Christ is wrong....Unless you wanna say Christ comes in on the wings of abomination,,,,,but he comes back in GLory King of Kings with a rod....