Jesus came back.. and Destroyed Jerusalem

[whirlwind]

I see what you are saying, I don't agree but I see. It did occur with the crucifixion but that was just one type of sacrifice...blood sacrifices. Daniel doesn't specify the types of sacrifices but writes...."he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." That is inclusive of all sacrifices. If it was Christ then the sacrifices He does desire of us wouldn't have been written after His death.

Could you give a verse or two that states the sacrifice and oblation of Dan. 9:27 is collectively all types of sacrifices? Frankly, it doesn't seem to make much sense. Animal sacrifices are no longer necessary, they ended with the death of Christ. Where does it state that "spiritual" sacrifices must also end?

It doesn't. That is my point. What is written is that the sacrifice and oblation will cease. It hasn't for He still requires our sacrifice. Satan wants that sacrifice....he wants us to worship him and many will. When that happens the sacrifice and oblation will cease...to the Savior.

[quote:2puts5nl]No I don't attribute it to Satan.

But you did! You stated clearly that Daniel 9:27 is referring to Satan! Are you changing your position?[/quote:2puts5nl]


I don't understand what you mean. 9:27 is Satan but he had nothing to do with animal sacrifices. The sacrifices of 9:27 are spiritual.

[quote:2puts5nl] God instructed us on animal sacrifices and Christ fulfilled it. He became the Passover Lamb. The other sacrifices were a shadow leading to it. [/b]

Exactly! So since Christ came other sacrifices pointing to the coming Messiah are/were unnecessary! Right? So doesn't that indicate those sacrifices and oblations ended when Christ died?[/quote:2puts5nl]


No...as quoted in previous posts the sacrifice now is our love, our worship, our praise. Sacrifice is still ongoing.

 

[whirlwind]

Daniel prayed for his people and his city, and God answered him as to what would happen to his people, and to the city and temple. The answered prayer has nothing to do with the church. Daniel wasn't asking for forgiveness for the church. He asked for the people of Israel then living.[/color] :yes

Daniel is a prophet of Israel. He speaks to and for Israel...of all time. The we, us, etc. is inclusive of all of Israel forever...until the end. He wasn't a commentator but a prophet and God's Words through him are prophetic...not just to those of that time.

• Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro (apostatize), and knowledge (wickedness) shall be increased.'
  
  12:10-13 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It appears that the desolator will be "set up" the last three and one half years (1,290 days) before the age ends. That is when the sacrifice is "taken away." Consider though that the time has been shortened to five months....I assume the time shortened is the 3 1/2 years.

 

[researcher]

Daniel is a prophet of Israel. He speaks to and for Israel...of all time.

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us,

and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

So, we're the ones who are under the law?

 

[whirlwind]

Daniel is a prophet of Israel. He speaks to and for Israel...of all time.

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us,

and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

So, we're the ones who are under the law?

We are God's children as they were God's children. We are under Christ...the fulfillment of the law.

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[researcher]

Daniel is a prophet of Israel. He speaks to and for Israel...of all time.

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us,

and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

So, we're the ones who are under the law?

We are God's children as they were God's children. We are under Christ...the fulfillment of the law.

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Lol. That's right. Daniel was praying for the people who were under the law. Thus it wasn't about us. ;)

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law,

 

[researcher]

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

All done. Happened in 70 AD.

 

[whirlwind]

[quote="researcher]

Lol. That's right. Daniel was praying for the people who were under the law. Thus it wasn't about us. ;)

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law,[/quote]


Jeff...have you never transgressed the law? Because we are now under Christ does it mean we are free to murder, steal, lie, cheat? The law is still there. We still obey the law. The difference is we are led by the Spirit, we are under grace and can repent. Being under Christ doesn't mean we aren't of the Israel Daniel wrote to, the Israel that transgressed the law. I transgressed a lot before I found Christ. I was Israel then as I am now but now...I am led of the Spirit.

• Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[researcher]

Jeff...have you never transgressed the law? Because we are now under Christ does it mean we are free to murder, steal, lie, cheat? The law is still there. We still obey the law. The difference is we are led by the Spirit, we are under grace and can repent. Being under Christ doesn't mean we aren't of the Israel Daniel wrote to, the Israel that transgressed the law. I transgressed a lot before I found Christ. I was Israel then as I am now but now...I am led of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

So, Daniel was praying for me when he said...

Dan 9:10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.

Daniel was praying for people not born yet? That would mean that I sinned before I was born.

 

[RND]

I see what you are saying, I don't agree but I see. It did occur with the crucifixion but that was just one type of sacrifice...blood sacrifices. Daniel doesn't specify the types of sacrifices but writes...."he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." That is inclusive of all sacrifices. If it was Christ then the sacrifices He does desire of us wouldn't have been written after His death.

Could you give a verse or two that states the sacrifice and oblation of Dan. 9:27 is collectively all types of sacrifices? Frankly, it doesn't seem to make much sense. Animal sacrifices are no longer necessary, they ended with the death of Christ. Where does it state that "spiritual" sacrifices must also end?

It doesn't. That is my point. What is written is that the sacrifice and oblation will cease. It hasn't for He still requires our sacrifice. Satan wants that sacrifice....he wants us to worship him and many will. When that happens the sacrifice and oblation will cease...to the Savior.

wow, this is some truly circular logic.

On one hand you state that Satan is the one that causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease but then you say that no where in scripture does it say this! Wow, it sounds like you are making this up as you go along. Where is scripture can I read to find out that the spiritual sacrifice and oblation will cease to the Savior? Anywhere?

You categorically state that Dan 9:27 is referring only to spiritual sacrifices but you also indicated you believed that Jesus ended the necessity of animal sacrifices. Yet you can offer no scriptural support that Dan 9 :27 is referring to spiritual sacrifices only. Are we just supposed to take your word for it?

I don't understand what you mean. 9:27 is Satan but he had nothing to do with animal sacrifices. The sacrifices of 9:27 are spiritual. [/b]

Is there any scripture verse, just one, that I can reference that confirms this point? Just one. Or should we just take your word for it?

No...as quoted in previous posts the sacrifice now is our love, our worship, our praise. Sacrifice is still ongoing.

Can you show me conclusively where scripture says this ends? Can you show me how Satan makes this end?

 

[(THE)]

Satan has not ended the practice of communion yet ,,,,,but he will :yes

How?

How did/ will he do this??????????

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

That verse speaks of the United States, not Satan!

[quote:cll42lly]satan has just arrived on the scene,,,,,,as we can see he has 2 horns like a lamb......The Lamb represent Christ.....

The "beast" rising out of the land is a political entity. Beasts in Bible prophecy always represent kingdoms. Horns represent power. What are the two horns of the USA's power? The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. This "beast" speaks like a dragon. How do nations speak? Through the leaders and their laws. This beast makes an image to the beast in verses 1-5.

Revelation 5:12 >>
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Satan in going to try and steal these riches and strength and honor and glory,,,,by pretending he is Jesus....

That's a great statement devoid of any scriptural facts frankly.

Rev. 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

As you can see he has the power to trick humanity,,,,and he will convince the world he is Christ....

This is alluding to 1 Kings 18:18-40 when Elijah called down the "fire" of God that the prophets of Baal couldn't. It represents the false spirit that the enemies of God will use to make an image to the first beast. It represents spiritualism.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Here we see the earth being deceived by this false one emulating Christ......

What we see here is a spiritualism in action. The beast that was wounded and did live was wounded in 1798 when Berthier overthrew the Papacy and it was restored to life when Mussolini signed the Concordant of 1929.

Your right RND satan cant just pop up and say dont take communion,,,he has to trick the people first into believing he is Christ,,,then the world will do whatever he wants and its going to be easy because God is allowing it....

Again, that sounds quite fanciful and I don't believe you have offered any scriptures to prove your point.

How is Satan (working through the churches) going to make me stop taking communion?

With GOd helping satan is not going to have any trouble convincing the world he is Christ returned,,,,and while doing this he will be setting up peace treaties everywhere,,Christ is known as the prince of peace,,,so when satan does arrive he must act peaceful or people wont believe he is Christ.....

So God helps Satan deceive the earth? God Himself helps Satan impersonate Jesus? Then can't God be blamed?

But,,,They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.....

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

http://biblicalresearch.gc.adventist.or ... niel12.htm

Ok friend ,,if you believe Christ took away the daily sacrifice,,,then explain this verse?????

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Gladly. Two things have to happen before the 1,290 days clock starts. 1) the daily has to be taken away and 2) the abomination of desolation is set up. Set up means to become active. These days are not literal days but work under the "day/year" principal. See Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6.

Christ died on the cross 2000 years ago,,,,,thats like 730,000 days ago.....

Day for a year.

But the scripture says there will only be 1,290 days after the sacrifice is taking away........

You forgot to add the setting up of the abomination of desolation. The abomination of desolation sets itself up in the temple of God where it not ought to be. Where is the temple of God?[/quote:cll42lly]

So God helps Satan deceive the earth? God Himself helps Satan impersonate Jesus? Then can't God be blamed?

If you think your bold enough to blame God,,,then go for it,,,,,GOd said he will send people strong delusion so they will believe a lie.....What lie???????????? The lie that satan/antichrist is the real Jesus Christ.....I think because God is doing this it will actually help people get to heaven....

But your misunderstanding revelations 13,,so maybe I will take a break on this thread and start one on that ................

 

[RND]

If you think your bold enough to blame God,,,then go for it,,,,,

Unnecessary rhetoric. I haven't blamed God for anything.

GOd said he will send people strong delusion so they will believe a lie.....What lie???????????? The lie that satan/antichrist is the real Jesus Christ.....

Or that hew claims to "speak" for Jesus.

I think because God is doing this it will actually help people get to heaven....

Or cause a deeper separation of the wheat and the tares, sheep and the goats.

But your misunderstanding revelations 13,,

Nope. I got Rev. 13 down cold.

so maybe I will take a break on this thread and start one on that ................

Great idea.

 

[(THE)]

If you think your bold enough to blame God,,,then go for it,,,,,

Unnecessary rhetoric. I haven't blamed God for anything.

GOd said he will send people strong delusion so they will believe a lie.....What lie???????????? The lie that satan/antichrist is the real Jesus Christ.....

Or that hew claims to "speak" for Jesus.

[quote:xxb7mjkh]I think because God is doing this it will actually help people get to heaven....

Or cause a deeper separation of the wheat and the tares, sheep and the goats.

But your misunderstanding revelations 13,,

Nope. I got Rev. 13 down cold.

so maybe I will take a break on this thread and start one on that ................

Great idea.[/quote:xxb7mjkh]


YOU do not have revelation 13 down............

If a beast is represented as a political system in verse 13:1 why is a beast not a political system in verse 11?

ARe you kidding me?????????? If you had it down you wouldn't ask this........

I thought you were just being stubborn,,,but im kinda think a pride thing,,,,,so maybe if you decide you dont have it down and there is still knowledge to be obtained you might learn something.....

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

YOu dont even understand that these are 2 different beast.........

DO you know what "another beast" means??????????? It means a different beast from the first.....

Rev. 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

and "he" ,,,do you know what the word "he" means?????????

DO you see that the second beast (he) is not the first beast ?????????

There is know way,,,,,you have revelation 13 down......Which means you surely do not have Daniel 7 down,,,which is probably why you dont have Daniel 9 down......and Im willing to put this opinion to the test.......

I can prove the first beast is a political system ruling the world,,,,,,and when the second beast (satan) comes he will heal the first beast (political system) and change it to a religous system.....easy

 

[whirlwind]

Luk 21:20 ]And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, [/color]
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

All done. Happened in 70 AD.

The flood in the beginning....

Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

• As it was in the beginning...so shall it again be. If we are still "in the earth," or not of the Spirit, if our old man is still alive...we will be the flesh that is destroyed by the flood.

The flood of end times for which the flood of Noah was a type.....

Jeremiah 46:8 Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.

• Egypt is symbolic of the world, the world ruled by Pharaoh/Satan. His waters, his flood will "cover the earth" as they do now but his goal is to "destroy the city and inhabitants."

Jeremiah 47:2 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, waters rise up out of the north, and shall be an overflowing flood, and shall overflow the land, and all that is therein; the city, and them that dwell therein: then the men shall cry, and all the inhabitants of the land shall howl.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

• The waters of Noah's flood..."prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." [Gen 7:24] The flood of end times is also five months. [Rev. 9:5, 9:10] That flood has not yet happened. His flood is to overflow the woman, who is the city, and the sanctuary. This is Jerusalem and Zion. The church and the very elect. We are Jerusalem.

 

[whirlwind]

Jeff...have you never transgressed the law? Because we are now under Christ does it mean we are free to murder, steal, lie, cheat? The law is still there. We still obey the law. The difference is we are led by the Spirit, we are under grace and can repent. Being under Christ doesn't mean we aren't of the Israel Daniel wrote to, the Israel that transgressed the law. I transgressed a lot before I found Christ. I was Israel then as I am now but now...I am led of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

So, Daniel was praying for me when he said...

Dan 9:10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.

Daniel was praying for people not born yet? That would mean that I sinned before I was born.

Yes, Daniel prayed for Israel and that would include those not yet born. Does it mean you sinned before birth? Maybe you did in the previous age but to me it means he is praying for us as he knows we will sin...we are human.

 

[whirlwind]

It doesn't. That is my point. What is written is that the sacrifice and oblation will cease. It hasn't for He still requires our sacrifice. Satan wants that sacrifice....he wants us to worship him and many will. When that happens the sacrifice and oblation will cease...to the Savior.

wow, this is some truly circular logic.

On one hand you state that Satan is the one that causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease but then you say that no where in scripture does it say this! Wow, it sounds like you are making this up as you go along. Where is scripture can I read to find out that the spiritual sacrifice and oblation will cease to the Savior? Anywhere?

You categorically state that Dan 9:27 is referring only to spiritual sacrifices but you also indicated you believed that Jesus ended the necessity of animal sacrifices. Yet you can offer no scriptural support that Dan 9 :27 is referring to spiritual sacrifices only. Are we just supposed to take your word for it?

At the end of days it is Satan that stops the sacrifice to Christ. As all animal sacrifices ended at the crucifixion of our Savior then the only sacrifices left to cease are....spiritual. Our love for Him will be transferred to the pretender, at least the love of the misled.

[quote:1gpwq8xd]
I don't understand what you mean. 9:27 is Satan but he had nothing to do with animal sacrifices. The sacrifices of 9:27 are spiritual. [/b]

Is there any scripture verse, just one, that I can reference that confirms this point? Just one. Or should we just take your word for it?[/quote:1gpwq8xd]

I quoted a few in previous posts but will add two here....

Psalm 54:6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

Psalm 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

[quote:1gpwq8xd]No...as quoted in previous posts the sacrifice now is our love, our worship, our praise. Sacrifice is still ongoing.

Can you show me conclusively where scripture says this ends? Can you show me how Satan makes this end?[/quote:1gpwq8xd]

When he arrives the world will "wonder after him."

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


Those that "dwell on the earth" are those not yet born of the Spirit. They are flesh and as such will be deceived. They will worship the "angel of light." Consider that the witnesses testify with His truth which torments those with no understanding and yet...when the beast kills them those misled, those that believed the beast instead of God....rejoice, make merry, send gifts. [Rev.11:10] They are those that still "dwell on the earth." They were not "caught up unto God, and to His throne" as believers are when the Spirit of God dwells in them. We still walk on earth, are still "under the sun" but we have spiritually been caught up to God. We no longer "dwell on earth."

 

[MMarc]

As per the OP, what has occured in the flesh to the husbandmen will again occur to the church of the wilderness. (the letters of Revelation) but this time it will be a spiritual judgement.

And some will be raised to eternal salvation and some to eternal damnation. And what is invisible is eternal.....

 

[researcher]

As per the OP, what has occured in the flesh to the husbandmen will again occur to the church of the wilderness. (the letters of Revelation) but this time it will be a spiritual judgement.

And some will be raised to eternal salvation and some to eternal damnation. And what is invisible is eternal.....

Quién? Cómo?

 

[RND]

At the end of days it is Satan that stops the sacrifice to Christ.

How? How does Satan accomplish this? You haven't said.

As all animal sacrifices ended at the crucifixion of our Savior then the only sacrifices left to cease are....spiritual. Our love for Him will be transferred to the pretender, at least the love of the misled.

How does this happen?

I quoted a few in previous posts but will add two here....

Psalm 54:6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

Psalm 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

These verses say nothing to the assertions you made that all sacrifices were spiritual.

When he arrives the world will "wonder after him."

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

http://biblelight.net/wound.htm

(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

They worship the dragon here because they wondered after the first beast the.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

These verses say nothing about Satan ending "spiritual" sacrifices.

Those that "dwell on the earth" are those not yet born of the Spirit.

I was born of the Spirit and I live on earth.

They are flesh and as such will be deceived. They will worship the "angel of light." Consider that the witnesses testify with His truth which torments those with no understanding and yet...when the beast kills them those misled, those that believed the beast instead of God....rejoice, make merry, send gifts. [Rev.11:10]

The two witnesses are the Holt Scriptures, not two literal people. That's pure fantasy. See Zechariah 4:8-14.

They are those that still "dwell on the earth." They were not "caught up unto God, and to His throne" as believers are when the Spirit of God dwells in them. We still walk on earth, are still "under the sun" but we have spiritually been caught up to God. We no longer "dwell on earth."

I'd be careful to check yourself and where you actually are.

 

[whirlwind]

At the end of days it is Satan that stops the sacrifice to Christ.

How? How does Satan accomplish this? You haven't said.

The sacrifice and oblation to Christ is our love, praise, rejoicing, thanksgiving. When he arrives, pretending to be Christ (transformed into an angel of light), the untaught, misled, waiting for a rapture, followers of Christ...will then be followers of Satan. They take the mark and worship him believing him to be the Saviour.

[quote:2o36eybi]As all animal sacrifices ended at the crucifixion of our Savior then the only sacrifices left to cease are....spiritual. Our love for Him will be transferred to the pretender, at least the love of the misled.

How does this happen?

I quoted a few in previous posts but will add two here....

Psalm 54:6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

Psalm 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

These verses say nothing to the assertions you made that all sacrifices were spiritual. [/quote:2o36eybi]


To me, that is spiritual RND. It is loving Him with our heart, mind and soul....our spiritual being.

[quote:2o36eybi]When he arrives the world will "wonder after him."

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

http://biblelight.net/wound.htm

(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

They worship the dragon here because they wondered after the first beast the.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

These verses say nothing about Satan ending "spiritual" sacrifices. [/quote:2o36eybi]


As written above, it is a transferring of our love, our spiritual sacrifice, for Christ to him.

[quote:2o36eybi]Those that "dwell on the earth" are those not yet born of the Spirit.

I was born of the Spirit and I live on earth. [/quote:2o36eybi]


Me too but that isn't what it means. We live here doing His work but we don't dwell here. When we die to self He lives in us. We have been "caught up unto God, and to His throne." [Rev.12:5]

• Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;

[quote:2o36eybi]They are flesh and as such will be deceived. They will worship the "angel of light." Consider that the witnesses testify with His truth which torments those with no understanding and yet...when the beast kills them those misled, those that believed the beast instead of God....rejoice, make merry, send gifts. [Rev.11:10]

The two witnesses are the Holy Scriptures, not two literal people. That's pure fantasy. See Zechariah 4:8-14. [/quote:2o36eybi]


I know the witnesses aren't literally two entities but neither are they the Holy Scriptures. We are the witnesses RND...you, me and many, many others. The Scriptures are the testimony we witness to.

• Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

[quote:2o36eybi]They are those that still "dwell on the earth." They were not "caught up unto God, and to His throne" as believers are when the Spirit of God dwells in them. We still walk on earth, are still "under the sun" but we have spiritually been caught up to God. We no longer "dwell on earth."[/b]

I'd be careful to check yourself and where you actually are.[/quote:2o36eybi]


I know where I am.

 

[whirlwind]

I wanted to add this to the above. Although we live on the earth we have spiritually risen with Him.....

Colossians 2:12-13 Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God Who hath raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;