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Jesus has ascended into heaven -- continued.

Dogma: 1 a : something held as an established opinion especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets pedagogical dogma c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds 2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.

Christ taking the Human Body to heaven definitely IS a dogma.
 
theSeriousOne said:
Dogma: 1 a : something held as an established opinion especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets pedagogical dogma c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds 2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.

Christ taking the Human Body to heaven definitely IS a dogma.
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Which human body?
 
It’s a repeatable pattern that those who come on here with the highest regard for their own understanding have the least regard for the understanding of others. This is how one knows if one has encountered someone who really knows something one can learn from or just another hot air balloon awed by their own “spiritual” prowess. It usually doesn't take long.
 
Heaven is the realm of SPIRIT bodies.
Jesus had LOWERED himself to become human.
Church people call it 'Glorified'!
He was raised a spirit after he finished his mission.
 
jaybo said:
A thread entitled "Jesus has ascended into Heaven" was closed by Mungo with the comment "Apparently no-one wants to discuss the topic anymore". That is not the case. I don't believe that reflects the desire of the participants. Perhaps it conflicts with his Catholicism. However, I believe that a number of us want to continue discussing the topic. So here is my continuation of the topic...

In reply to Wondering's post...

You wrote, "When I encountered Jesus, I knew nothing. I only knew that I felt loved and that He was trying to take care of me somehow." That is what I am referring to! "I felt loved" -- that is not an intellectual emotion, that is spiritual! You felt loved by a person whom you have never met or seen! That is spiritual. Same thing with "He was trying to take care of me somehow." That is precisely what I mean by spiritual knowledge, not intellect and not from a known cause.

That is very similar to how I felt when Jesus healed me in the hospital. When I was an atheist I had always relied on my intellect and intelligence, but when He healed me I was overwhelmed with love from a person whom I had never met!!! That is spiritual knowledge.

Now, when I read the Bible and pray, I feel that same feeling, but to a lesser degree. But it is there! I might add that I read many other things, but nothing I read affects me the way God's word does. And nothing affects me like prayer, including speaking in tongues. My mind is unfruitful: "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful." 1 Corinthians 14:14

Interesting stuff!!!
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Being new to the site, I did not see the thread, but Jesus did in fact ascend to heaven. I was unaware that anyone questioned that. Clearly that is a yes or no type of topic, so likely it evolved off to different topics, what did you find interesting about the subject Jay?
 
Highway54 said:
Being new to the site, I did not see the thread, but Jesus did in fact ascend to heaven. I was unaware that anyone questioned that. Clearly that is a yes or no type of topic, so likely it evolved off to different topics, what did you find interesting about the subject Jay?
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It is fascinating that Jesus, after He was killed and buried, rose from the grave, met with His followers who verified that He was real, then rose to be with His Father in heaven.
 
jaybo said:
It is fascinating that Jesus, after He was killed and buried, rose from the grave, met with His followers who verified that He was real, then rose to be with His Father in heaven.
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The firstfruit Jay. The first to be given immortality.
 
Highway54 said:
The firstfruit Jay. The first to be given immortality.
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You might want to read about Jesus meeting with Moses and Elijah before He was crucified. Then explain how Jesus was the first to be given immortality.

Matthew 17:4, "Then Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if you wish, I will set up three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
 
jaybo said:
You might want to read about Jesus meeting with Moses and Elijah before He was crucified. Then explain how Jesus was the first to be given immortality.

Matthew 17:4, "Then Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if you wish, I will set up three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
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Moses died and was buried but obviously his spirit wasn’t in the grave. Jesus was resurrected.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
How do you know it was bloodless?
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No scripture actually says this but He was on the earth for 40 days & nights before He ascended into Heaven, but the consensus is that He had plenty of time to wash up, lol.

You guys crack me up. :lol
 
jaybo said:
That is very similar to how I felt when Jesus healed me in the hospital. When I was an atheist I had always relied on my intellect and intelligence, but when He healed me I was overwhelmed with love from a person whom I had never met!!! That is spiritual knowledge.

Now, when I read the Bible and pray, I feel that same feeling, but to a lesser degree. But it is there! I might add that I read many other things, but nothing I read affects me the way God's word does. And nothing affects me like prayer, including speaking in tongues. My mind is unfruitful: "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful." 1 Corinthians 14:14

Interesting stuff!!!
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I think it is easy to call these feelings for lack of a better term but I also don't think they are feelings. A perception or a perceiving is there but it is spiritual and probably one of our spiritual senses. It is the same thing that is spoken of in Philippians 4:7
7 Then you will experience God’s peace, which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.../NLT

I have noticed this before. Many times while praying or watching videos of a spiritual nature. I'm asking for something like that or asking a question and it's like peace is poured over me. Then I know I got my answer. It's a real phenomenon but there is little teaching on it and it's not something that one can demonstrate at will so is foolishness to the world.

Hebrews 5:14
14 Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.../NLT

One time I was watching a youtube video about a Heavenly Testimony from some person and I remember that I wasskeptical yet in awe of his story and I wondered if it was in fact true. I did not pray and ask God if it was true but suddenly something came over me. It wasn't a presence but somwthing inside of me. I was feeling something, and it did feel good but it was also clearly not an emotional response. It was something different and for some reason I immediately knew down to the core of my being, that this was a true Testimony. I felt it. I didn't know what to call this phenomenon so I called it, God "pinged" my spirit. Now I understand that it is called a quickening of the spirit.

It started happening a lot more to me here and there. Now sometimes if someone says something that makes me skeptical and I get no quickening of the spirit then I know to take that one with a grain of salt, lol.

I *think* this is what Jaybo's OP was about. I think it's a good topic.
 
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