Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Corinth77777]

The same Son (not a different one) lives in you and me, is that true?
We are the physical body of Christ, of His flesh and bones and He is the Spirit is that true?
When humanity and divinity are combined into one new creature, is that God and human? I'm sure you know the texts I have in mind.
If the Son is willing and doing in any human body and the human is in total submission as Mary's son was, is this incarnation, God in human flesh?
Did the virgin birth make his humanity different from Mary's or David's humanity?
I would like you to understand that I'm in no way trying to lessen or diminish the work of God for us through His Son. He was given to all of us.
Jesus spoke in parables to ferret out those who will not believe. I believe that the life, death and resurrection of Jesus is a living parable. When the Father reveals to us individually we will be drawn into the mystery of Godliness. Matt. 16:17
Those who will bring discredit to the plans and work of God are kept in the dark on these matters on purpose, yet is their own fault.

yes

??? Are you saying that the Word is (the Son) and is God? If so, Yes

When God formed man, there was a lifeless body laying there. Then God breathed life into him and he became a living 'soul' or a living being. So it seems that if I were to define 'soul' It would be the same as 'being'
I suppose it is confusing because I believe that the Son was given to our first parents and every child of theirs, including you and me.
I believe that the Word or Son made flesh is God in human flesh, even our flesh.
We are unable to obey continually but the Son brings that gift into us so that we can have a life of continual obedience.
In us He is God willing and doing. yet He incorporates our will or consent.and He provides the ability to obey.

Sorry if I left that impression. The bible says he was the son of God.
Psalm 2:7 "...thou art my son this day I have begotton thee.
Paul says that was a prophecy which was fulfilled at the resurrection. Acts 13:30-33
This also refers to us all as we are born again from the dead.
He was the first begotten from the dead Rev. 1:5
"...to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." Rom. 8:9
"...God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." 1john 4:9
Every redeemed being is begotten of God, Jesus was the first human to be begotten from the dead. You cannot kill God. The Son was called forth from the tomb, Jesus was born again.
"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. John 1:9
Our first parents and everyone from that time until Jesus had to have these as well as we do. Therefore theSon had to have been given after the fall.

Not sure I understand this

Jesus was begotten in a stable and begotten again out of the garden tomb. He was obedient because he was surrendered to the Father by the facility of the Son within, and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Obedience is accessible to all humans. Sin is not an option when God has made provision for victory and continual obedience.

Jesus flesh is just as dependent on life from God as all of us.

Is it saying Jesus was made a quickening spirit "made" I may be misunderstanding the use of the word 'made' but the Son was not made or created. It seems that Jesus became the second Adam when his mission was complete. When he was begotten again (born again) from the tomb He was the progenitor of a new race. Begotten from the dead, the first begotten among many. the many are his children.
Rev. 21:6 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
As the second Adam we are his children. The Son within is so inseparably blended with the human form that he is our God our head our Father.
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It is the same with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living person”;

Here Adam becomes a living Person/ He did not exist and now exist

the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
The last Adam comes into the world but existed before the first Adam/ Scripture that came to me is God made man in is image
The last Adam gave up something to come into the world to be the last Adam ( what was that) might be found in Hebrews

46
However, the spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.
Speaking humanly from the position on earth to the context

47 The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.

The above is the killer, that to me destroys your argument.

It seems to me the second " man" existed already but not in an earthly body but a Spiritual one.

48Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust, and like the one from heaven, so too those who are heavenly.

This passage explains what I wrote above
49 And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust,
let us also bear the image of the man of heaven.

In my opinion meaning to put on Christ

 

[leroy]

But start slow, too much to fast might be too much.

Maybe start with this scripture below-


46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Thank you Cor for the sweet reply. Often I am confronted by those who are eating at the tree of the knowledge of I'm right and you're wrong and everything has to have a text if it flys against their orthodoxy. I can't necessarily refer to a specific text for all that I have come to understand.
Jesus said, "I live by every word the comes from the MOUTH of the Father. His words and actions were all from the Father's word spoken into his heart. He was well versed in the written word and I suspect many of the things he said and did had the written word behind them. However, His experience was that of a living connection and His instructions came moment by moment as they were needed, He communed with the Father and was moved from that connection.
I suspect that Luke 12:11,12 was his own experience "And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say."
Also in the words of Jesus, "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father in Heaven." As I spend time in meditation and prayer things come to me that are an extrapolation of many scriptures. As I write out my thoughts much of it returns to my mind and even greater light opens up. I hunger to dig deep for the hidden treasure and in doing so I find that some scripture has a much different application than what I had previously understood.
I realize that for some they would fear to live this way. They need a list to feel secure. That is ok for them but I believe that I have found a more excellent way.
I'm not suggesting that you are of this mind set. I sense something different in you. Often there are texts that come to mind as I am posting, and I assume the mind of the reader is familiar with them so I don't quote what I think is self-evident.
In the future I will include more scripture.

The first man was formed from the ground. Even though he was formed from the hands of God, he was natural just as we, his offspring, are natural. He could only pass on to us which he had, which was 'fallen flesh'.
The second man was put to death, which ended his natural man, his (only human). On resurrection morning he was brought forth as a spiritual man. Psalm 2:7 is a prophecy of the resurrection. Paul points out the fulfillment in Acts 13:29-33.
The natural man's nature had a death sentence upon it. It was required that the "first man's" nature must die. Jesus was tasked with that necessity. I believe that at the crucifixion the natural man was destroyed. Rom.6:6
He took our natural man to the cross and then buried the old man. What came out of the tomb was a new creature. 2Cor. 5:17
Rom. 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
This new creature was the second Adam. Born again of the spirit. The crucifixion and resurrection gives us the example of what it means to be born again. John 3:5-8 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."
We must die to self before we can be born of the spirit and the Son in you will lead you to that place. That is to say, believe what God has said. You are crucified and your old man (fallen nature) is destroyed. Rom. 6:6 You have been raised up and are now spirit as was Jesus. you have been translated into the Kingdom... You have been raised up to sit in heavenly places. Sin and Satan are defeated and powerless.

I suppose the question is, did Jesus have Adam's fallen nature?
Or did he have the nature of Adam before the fall?
Adam's nature prior to the fall was not spiritual but natural according to 1Cor. 15:46 So he did not have that nature.
Can God take a human with a " fallen nature" and bring him through life without failure? I believe yes.

 

[leroy]

It is the same with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living person”;

Here Adam becomes a living Person/ He did not exist and now exist

the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
The last Adam comes into the world but existed before the first Adam/ Scripture that came to me is God made man in is image
The last Adam gave up something to come into the world to be the last Adam ( what was that) might be found in Hebrews

46
However, the spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.
Speaking humanly from the position on earth to the context

47 The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.

The above is the killer, that to me destroys your argument.

It seems to me the second " man" existed already but not in an earthly body but a Spiritual one.

So are we to believe that the Son as He was creating the universe and during His act of forming Adam, was a man?

48Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust, and like the one from heaven, so too those who are heavenly.

This passage explains what I wrote above
49 And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust,
let us also bear the image of the man of heaven.

In my opinion meaning to put on Christ

I think we have three possibilities:
1) The Son, a Spirit being put on the skin suit of an embryo, without any genetic connection to Adam and had an
un-fallen nature.
2) The Son as a Spirit being, at the point of conception became one with a human embryo and a descendent of David with either a fallen nature or un-fallen nature.
3) The Son who is a Spirit being entered humanity as the Seed of the woman and was passed on to every child of Adam to be a very personal and intimate Savior, Advocate, sin bearer and Redeemer while dwelling within humanity to give us Himself to replace that spiritual connection which had perished in Eden at the fall of mankind. He has condescended to the sacrifice of bearing the sin of the world ever since, in an effort to draw us back to God. He has covenanted to be within us forever as He is our eternal life.
Obviously, I choose number 3.
I ask, is there anything that is drastically erroneous or that would lead one astray from God in that belief?

 

[Randy]

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The testimony is about the Son of Man. His soul was from heaven His body was not. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body that was prepared for Him. Hence the testimony states the 2nd Man, was from heaven. Not meaning a Man came down from heaven rather the Logos became flesh.
The testimony about the Son who was before the incarnation is one who has the very nature of the Father. (God) For clearly all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell in Him. Col 1:19 God was the Logos. The only like to like begotten Son of the Father. God from true God

The Son who was did not dwell in flesh and was in the FORM of GOD not any Man. The Word of life. The eternal life with the Father in the beginning. That very life appeared in flesh and proclaimed all that the Father gave Him to state. He was sent by His God and Father in that the Father was reconciling all things to "Himself" through Christ blood on the cross. Col 1:20
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
He came to do the Fathers will not His own. He proclaimed the Fathers message not His own.

You may believe you have the Ghost of Jesus in you but I have the Spirit of the living God in me in Jesus name. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son have made their home with me. I know Jesus and He knows me. You are very much mistaken in your beliefs and appear to be led by another teacher. Suggesting you're on the wrong team.

 

[Randy]

I did not need to, what I shared had enough arguments, studies, and views that anyone with an open mind could look into.

Yet the testimony given you states you are very much mistaken in your thoughts and beliefs. And they should be clear to you in the source of the Spirit Jesus sent.

 

[JLB]

You may believe you have the Ghost of Jesus in you but I have the Spirit of the living God in me in Jesus name. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son have made their home with me. I know Jesus and He knows me. You are very much mistaken in your beliefs and appear to be led by another teacher. Suggesting you're on the wrong team.

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9


The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God.

 

[Randy]

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9


The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God.

Yes in this context, The Father sends His Spirit in Jesus's name.
The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. The Fathers promise as stated is to pour out His Spirit in these last days.
In that manner both Father and Son make their home with those in the Faith.

So in regard to the Spirit I see the person of the Father and in certain contexts the person of the Son.

Jesus speaks of another in regard to the Spirit sent the Father does not.

Jesus-“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth
Father's promise-In the last days I will pour out My Spirit..

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you

Why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father?

Exalted to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

 

[Corinth77777]

Yet the testimony given you states you are very much mistaken in your thoughts and beliefs. And they should be clear to you in the source of the Spirit Jesus sent.

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[Corinth77777]

The testimony is about the Son of Man. His soul was from heaven His body was not. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body that was prepared for Him. Hence the testimony states the 2nd Man, was from heaven. Not meaning a Man came down from heaven rather the Logos became flesh.
The testimony about the Son who was before the incarnation is one who has the very nature of the Father. (God) For clearly all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell in Him. Col 1:19 God was the Logos. The only like to like begotten Son of the Father. God from true God

The Son who was did not dwell in flesh and was in the FORM of GOD not any Man. The Word of life. The eternal life with the Father in the beginning. That very life appeared in flesh and proclaimed all that the Father gave Him to state. He was sent by His God and Father in that the Father was reconciling all things to "Himself" through Christ blood on the cross. Col 1:20
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
He came to do the Fathers will not His own. He proclaimed the Fathers message not His own.

You may believe you have the Ghost of Jesus in you but I have the Spirit of the living God in me in Jesus name. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son have made their home with me. I know Jesus and He knows me. You are very much mistaken in your beliefs and appear to be led by another teacher. Suggesting you're on the wrong team.

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[Corinth77777]

The testimony is about the Son of Man. His soul was from heaven His body was not. The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body that was prepared for Him. Hence the testimony states the 2nd Man, was from heaven. Not meaning a Man came down from heaven rather the Logos became flesh.
The testimony about the Son who was before the incarnation is one who has the very nature of the Father. (God) For clearly all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell in Him. Col 1:19 God was the Logos. The only like to like begotten Son of the Father. God from true God

The Son who was did not dwell in flesh and was in the FORM of GOD not any Man. The Word of life. The eternal life with the Father in the beginning. That very life appeared in flesh and proclaimed all that the Father gave Him to state. He was sent by His God and Father in that the Father was reconciling all things to "Himself" through Christ blood on the cross. Col 1:20
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
He came to do the Fathers will not His own. He proclaimed the Fathers message not His own.

You may believe you have the Ghost of Jesus in you but I have the Spirit of the living God in me in Jesus name. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Both the Father and Son have made their home with me. I know Jesus and He knows me. You are very much mistaken in your beliefs and appear to be led by another teacher. Suggesting you're on the wrong team.

Not sure what you are saying Im mistaken about:
That I believe the Holyghost, and Holy Spirit mean different things....

If that makes me on the wrong team. Then every body is intitled to their own opinion.

Now if asking questions and trying things on in order to learn makes me on the wrong team then you are intitled to your own opinion. So no need to respond to my post..thank you!

 

[Corinth77777]

My initial thought was I see the Holyghost, and Holy Spirit as 2 different terms. And I still do and always will.

I expressed that the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of God and the Holyghost was the Spirit of Christ after reading EJ's article.

This I'll stand on.." rather one thinks Im on another team" or not whatever that rude comment was suppose to mean. My sister has a saying anything that dusturbs her peace is to expensive...Guess that is a reason they have created the ignore button.