Ownership -Father and Son
John 16:15 New International Version (NIV)All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
John 16:13-15 New International Version (NIV)But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ
The Throne of God and the Lamb Forever
Why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father?
Acts 2 (Fathers promise-pour out "My Spirit" )
Exalted to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear
Holy Spirit = Spirit of God = Spirit of the Lord = Spirit of your Father = Spirit of Christ = Spirit of Jesus Christ = Spirit of his Son. All different names for the same person, who is neither the Father nor the Son.
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
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Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (ESV)
First, "the Father . . . will give you another Helper." As I already pointed out, another means exactly that--one similar, but distinct. If I am at someone's house and they give me a piece of cake, and when I done ask if I want another piece, I fully expect another piece of that same cake, not the same piece I just ate, nor a piece from a different cake or something else entirely without further clarification. Second, Jesus does not say that the Father will come. Third, Jesus says that the Holy Spirit will be sent by the Father in his name. How can the Holy Spirit be either the person of the Father or the person of the Son? It makes no sense whatsoever.
In regard to the Spirit I see the person of the Father and in certain contexts the person of the Son. I don't read anywhere of a 3rd person.
So, you just ignore that Jesus said "another"? What would be the point of referring to either the Father or the Son as the Spirit or Holy Spirit when they could just say the Father or the Son? Why a third term that is completely pointless and makes things utterly confusing?
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)
Does "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" mean anything? Just name two persons and then add the Holy Spirit who, according to you, can be either "the person of the Father" or "the person of the Son"? How does that make sense?
Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.” (ESV)
Who was the Holy Spirit here, the Father or the Son?
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
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Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through
his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)
Why does Paul use "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" if he really means "the person of the Father" or "the person of the Son"?
Rom 15:30 I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf, (ESV)
Why the continual and consistent distinction between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, if the Holy Spirit isn't a distinct person, but is either the Father or the Son? Again, how does that make any sense and what purpose does it serve?
1Co 2:10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For
the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts
except the spirit of that person,
which is in him? So also
no one comprehends the thoughts of God
except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who
is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. (ESV)
First, notice that Paul is using the fact that no one "knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him," as a parallel for "So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." Second, we see that a person's spirit "is in him," yet with the Spirit of God that is not stated. Third, the spirit of a person is in that person and is in some way that person, being able to know their own thoughts, but still distinct--"which is in him"--from that person. It follows that the Spirit is God, that is divine, yet is distinct from the Father.
Fourth,
if "the Spirit" is the person of the Father, then it makes no sense to say that "the [Father] searches everything, even the depths of [the Father]." Fifth,
if the Spirit of God is the person of the Father, then it makes no sense to say that "no one comprehends the thoughts of [the Father] except the [Father]." Sixth, nor does it makes sense to say "but the [Father] who is from [the Father]."
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
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Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. (ESV)
Why the mention of the Holy Spirit if he is either the Father or the Son? And, in this case, who is it?
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
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Eph 2:18 For
through him we both have access i
n one Spirit to the Father. (ESV)
Through who? Jesus. So, again, who is the Spirit in this context?
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (ESV)
Who is the Spirit here, given that the "one Lord" is the Son and the Father is clearly the Father? Why even mention "one Spirit" if it can refer to either the Son or the Father?
Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of
God our Savior appeared,
Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of
the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom
he poured out on us richly
through Jesus Christ our Savior, (ESV)
Who is the Holy Spirit in this context?
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. (ESV)
Who is the Spirit in this context?
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. (ESV)
Who is the Spirit in this context?
That is just a small sampling, but it is clear that the Holy Spirit is
always kept distinct from the Father and the Son. Why? And, again, why even have a "Holy Spirit" if that is just a reference to either the Father or the Son? It would be completely pointless and cause confusion as it makes no sense.