JESUS QUESTIONS

[MLAE]

IF jesus was god, who was watching heaven and hell when he was here on earth? if jesus was god, why would he be in the uterus for 9 months?

Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

Okay now, if one of the reasons jesus is god is because he has no father, than what does that make adam, gods god?

So, did god get tortured and humiliated? if god can get tortured and not save himself, how will he save me?

 

[MLAE]

Please I need answers, are these contradictions in the bible?

Ascend to heaven
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)

Does every man sin?
KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Who bears guilt?
GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

Do you answer a fool?
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Good deeds
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)
Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)

For or against?
MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)
MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)

What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
scarlet - Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2

What did they give him to drink?
vinegar - Matthew 27:34
wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23

God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

 

[Klee shay]

I am not a hard-liner with doctrine so I'm not sure if I can answer how you would like to be answered. Forgive my layman approach.

IF jesus was god, who was watching heaven and hell when he was here on earth? if jesus was god, why would he be in the uterus for 9 months?

I understand it as Jesus was in unity with the Spirit of God but that he had a separate purpose. For God could not look upon mankind without destroying it and this necessitated separation.

The spirit of God was still watching in the nature he ordained as appropriate; but it was Christ who walked the earth as a man to set about doing his father's will.

Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity?

It was not part of God's purpose for that time. If it was then God would have revealed it.

At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers?

Only if it was his father's will. Christ did all to fulfill all that was required for mankind's salvation. He only went so far as to describe his father as a spirit and that we must worship him in spirit.

Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

Christ was the central focus of faith and why he died. God sent him forth to die and the Holy Spirit came to glorify his sacrifice, glory and purpose to mankind in all truths.

Okay now, if one of the reasons jesus is god is because he has no father, than what does that make adam, gods god?

I think I can see where you're going now. I'm not one who follows doctrine so I cannot answer from a trinty based belief.

So, did god get tortured and humiliated? if god can get tortured and not save himself, how will he save me?

Through Christ. I suspect you already know that though. :wink:

 

[MLAE]

hey, klee shay

I respect that you took some of your time to actually read my post, and answer it.

But, every answer you have given me are only your views and not evidence from the bible.

But I would like to know, if god is so superior and so high and majestic than he does everything for a reason! well I would like to know what is the reason for mankind? there must be a reason, and I would like to know how I could actually serve god, like how I could do something that is at service to god, like praying in a way that makes sense instead of gesturing a cross on my upper body, I mean its seems almost illogical for a group of people to go to heaven just because they believed jesus was gods other part in jesus, do you understand me or not, god even when I say that, I get goosebumps, its doesnt makes sense to me at all, god sone to earth,OMG, like what do we actually do to worship GOD? I dont think god created everything that is in existence just so we can believe that his son came to earth, his son that just doesnt make sence. Why didnt god do something else to save us? why would god actually send his SON!!! just so that he can die for us, why didnt he eliminate our sins by beheading an animal or something, why his son? and how is dieing for us eliminating orginal sin? what proof does the bible hold? the bible doesnt talk about the future so that I can reflect, neither does it about anything that I can actually go back to and question, all I have is just to BELIEVE , Im not just gonna believe in something that could mean my suffering eternally after death just because a book that has no proof told me to do so. I know this life is made for a purpose and we are all here to worship god, but how do I worship god.Jesus didnt tell me how to worship god, except to believe in him.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

IF jesus was god, who was watching heaven and hell when he was here on earth? if jesus was god, why would he be in the uterus for 9 months?

God is a trinity. There are three persons in this God. You also must remember that God is omnipresent. Just because God was here does not mean that He was not all other places also. God's very Word makes everything exist.
If you read about the baptism of Jesus, you will see all three members of the Trinity present.

Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

Are we reading the same Bible? The Trinity is a very clear teaching.

Okay now, if one of the reasons jesus is god is because he has no father, than what does that make adam, gods god?

You are stumbling here I see. What makes Jesus God, is that Jesus said He was God. Also, in other places in the Bible it is clear that Jesus is God. Also, He most definately did have a Father. It was the God of the universe.

So, did god get tortured and humiliated? if god can get tortured and not save himself, how will he save me?

No, Jesus did not GET tortured or humiliated. Jesus WENT to the cross of His own free will. In the Bible, Jesus can walk through crowds ready to kill Him, walk on water, turn water to wine, raise the dead, heal the sick, forgive sins, and create a feast for thousands out of a sack lunch. Do you not believe then that when He said He could call upon legions (thousands upon thousands upon thousands) of angels (of which we must remember that even one can slay thousands of humans) He could or that He could have just walked away from the cross altogether? He WENT to the cross out of love for you. Simple as that.

 

[Problematic]

Lyric's dad :

You are stumbling here I see. What makes Jesus God, is that Jesus said He was God. Also, in other places in the Bible it is clear that Jesus is God. Also, He most definately did have a Father. It was the God of the universe.

God of the universe never said that jesus is his son !
if jesus is god then why does he sleep ? i heard a god doesnt sleep

 

[bibleberean]

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The Father calls the Son God.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

All things were created for and by Jesus

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

We can be saved by no other name than Jesus

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Allah is not God and Muhammad is not His prophet...

 

[jhonjenkins]

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[bibleberean]

Hey, jhonjenkins

I was not talking to you directly.

This is a Christian forum. If bible verses bug you or you don't care to read them you are in the wrong place.

Don't let the door hit you in the fanny on the way out... :D

 

[Klee shay]

I respect that you took some of your time to actually read my post, and answer it.

But, every answer you have given me are only your views and not evidence from the bible.

True, however no man despite how well he knows the bible and can show you the passages which are relevant to your questions, can reveal Christ to you any more than through the opinions of other men - the apostles, prophets, etc.

The bible is the good book, but the spirit of Christ is what helps us to understand it.

But I would like to know, if god is so superior and so high and majestic than he does everything for a reason!

God is neither superior, high nor majestic for that is to compare him to the limitations of man's understanding. God is and will be long after everything else passes away.

Does that make him superior? Perhaps to a man who feels inferior in comparision.

God is and will be for all time and some mortals don't like that idea very much. They want to bring him to a station they can understand.

well I would like to know what is the reason for mankind? there must be a reason, and I would like to know how I could actually serve god, like how I could do something that is at service to god, like praying in a way that makes sense instead of gesturing a cross on my upper body,

Mankind was meant to share the kingdom of heaven with the Lord. We started in Eden and will end up living with God in his eternal kingdom, through Christ. You cannot serve God, only Christ can. All we can do is believe in Christ who died.

Praying in a way that makes sense is to everyone's individual taste, for we all understand the Lord differently. If you wish to pray to the Lord then do so in a manner you can understand. If you believe in Christ he will hear you.

I mean its seems almost illogical for a group of people to go to heaven just because they believed jesus was gods other part in jesus, do you understand me or not, god even when I say that, I get goosebumps, its doesnt makes sense to me at all, god sone to earth,OMG, like what do we actually do to worship GOD?

It sounds illogical because perhaps you haven't been touched by the living spirit of Christ yet? In the beginning of my walk everything seemed illogical to me as well. I even blamed God for some things in my life. There was a time I rebelled so much against God that I tried not to believe he was real any more.

Once you have been touched by the living spirit of Christ however, you cannot turn away from God even when none of it makes sense. He often proves in an individual's lifetime that he is taking care of them. Not always in the way that they would desire - but he maintains them nonetheless.

I dont think god created everything that is in existence just so we can believe that his son came to earth, his son that just doesnt make sence. Why didnt god do something else to save us?

We often look at what we have and say it isn't good enough. Why couldn't he do it some other way? Lord knows I have asked him that many times when I have suffered at times too.

All I know is that the more we trust that he did make the best decision for mankind, the more he reveals himself to us.

why would god actually send his SON!!! just so that he can die for us, why didnt he eliminate our sins by beheading an animal or something, why his son?

The old covernant between Moses and God was to demonstrate that mankind could not follow God without transgression. The spirit of God in the body of a man, could however. Even if a man's spirit is pure his flesh will still tempt and deceive him to the ways of transgression. Satan could not tempt the spirit of God however, even though he temporarily lived in the vessel of flesh.

God sent part of himself to be sacrificed and called that part his son. Why would God send part of himself to be crucified though? I could try to answer that but I'm pretty certain I would never be able to describe exaclty why. Basically it showed how much he was willing to sacrifice so that mankind could partake in his eternal kingdom.

and how is dieing for us eliminating orginal sin? what proof does the bible hold? the bible doesnt talk about the future so that I can reflect, neither does it about anything that I can actually go back to and question, all I have is just to BELIEVE

Romans 5:18

Therfore as by the offence of one judgement came upon all men (through Adam) to condemnation; even so by the righeoutness of one (Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The original sin was brought by one man upon the rest of mankind and the salvation from condemnation was deliverd by one man also. Christ.

What is sounds like you're looking for is absolutes and that cannot be found in the bible alone. For both the bible and the Holy Spirit within the individual, testifies of the absolute goodness of God.

Im not just gonna believe in something that could mean my suffering eternally after death just because a book that has no proof told me to do so. I know this life is made for a purpose and we are all here to worship god, but how do I worship god. Jesus didnt tell me how to worship god, except to believe in him.

If you cannot accept Jesus' word as the truth then you cannot believe in the father. For God sent his son to redeem mankind; and he can only redeem us through Christ. If a man cannot believe in Jesus then a man cannot believe in the one who sent Jesus to die.

The good book isn't the proof; it was only part of the Lord's testimony to mankind. The other part of that testimony comes from the Holy Spirit which we accept into our hearts when we accept Christ died for our sins.

One of the things which pushed me past what I didn't understand about the whole deal and finally trust in the Lord, was that while I was "certain" it was illogical or in some parts false...I had no evidence but for my own opinion either.

Belief in Christ or unbelief in Christ is still the manifestation of a personal opinion without evidence.

 

[SpiritualSon]

IF jesus was god, who was watching heaven and hell when he was here on earth? if jesus was god, why would he be in the uterus for 9 months?

Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

Okay now, if one of the reasons jesus is god is because he has no father, than what does that make adam, gods god?

So, did god get tortured and humiliated? if god can get tortured and not save himself, how will he save me?

I started a new topic called "God Is One Person" Jesus Christ is the Father in the Human. He who sees Him sees the Father.

Harry

 

[Problematic]

lyric's dad says :

No, Jesus did not GET tortured or humiliated. Jesus WENT to the cross of His own free will.

OH he did huh .


so why did he say : Why has though forsaken me ?????????

 

[Karma2Grace]

IF jesus was god, who was watching heaven and hell when he was here on earth? if jesus was god, why would he be in the uterus for 9 months?

God is omnipresent; He will be there every where, See How king David is explaining

Psalms 139:7 "where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?"

Psalms 139:8 "If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. "

Psalms 139:9 "If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,"

Psalms 139:10 "Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me."


Why would you expect God not to be in the utress for 9 months? , Is it unlawful or sin?

Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

Sorry i think you are misinformed !, Trinity was there even in the first century , Jesus never rebuked Thomos for calling Him God, Jesus never rebuked John for worshipping Him , See the quotations from early church fathers


Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.
"O Lord God almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).

Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.

"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).

Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch.

"In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever" (n. 7; PG 5.988).
Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.
"The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: ...one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all...'" (Against Heresies X.l)


Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian.

"We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation...[which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).

Okay now, if one of the reasons jesus is god is because he has no father, than what does that make adam, gods god?

Jesus is God from the begining

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us...â€Â

So, did god get tortured and humiliated? if god can get tortured and not save himself, how will he save me?

Saving is from eternal and spiritual death not from physical death. He took the torture as a wage of Sins , It is unrighteous for God to forgive the sinners with out paying the price of sin (death) , because God is the one who set the rule "The wage of sin is death !"


Thanks

 

[Karma2Grace]

lyric's dad says :

No, Jesus did not GET tortured or humiliated. Jesus WENT to the cross of His own free will.

OH he did huh .


so why did he say : Why has though forsaken me ?????????

The Word of God became flesh and we call Him Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man. That is, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. As the SCripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...14and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..." (John 1:1,14). This means that in the divine word became flesh in the single person of Jesus who is, then, both human and divine in nature. The divine nature was not changed. It was not altered in this union. Rather, the divine holy nature of the Word remains as it is.

Furthermore, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is the second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3, NIV). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together," nor are they combined into a new God-man nature. They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.

As a full man, He can lawfully cry "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" , He was indeed forsaken by the father as Jesus bear the sin of the whole world !

 

[videocrafter]

You rock Karma2Grace! :

 

[Lyric's Dad]

lyric's dad says :

No, Jesus did not GET tortured or humiliated. Jesus WENT to the cross of His own free will.

OH he did huh .


so why did he say : Why has though forsaken me ?????????

Frost X, what do the two have in common. Take a better look at the passages.

When Peter hacked off the ear of the guard coming to arrest Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus healed the man and told Peter to put his sword away and that if He wanted, He could call on legions of angels to come and rescue Him from what was coming.

When Peter told Jesus that He was not going to be crucified, Jesus rebuked him sternly and reminded Him that He was here to do the will of God, making it very obvious that Jesus knew exactly where He was going and went there willingly.

 

[Problematic]

lyric's Dad

lyric's dad


i failed to see your point and it doesnt make sense with what you said


what does the words u say have to do with what Jesus said on the cross as christians believe .

 

[videocrafter]

Makes perfect sense to me!

 

[Problematic]

what kind of sense ?

he said why has though forsaken me !


this is blasfomee to say this

 

[videocrafter]

what kind of sense ?
he said why has though forsaken me !
this is blasfomee to say this

Huh? Oh, you mean blaspheme. If you're going to accuse God of blaspheme, you should learn how to spell it, or at least use the spell checker. So tell me, how is that blaspheme?