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Jesus v. Muhammad

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Bilal

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Came across this, on some website off a Christian's history's 100 most influenctial ppl, Muhammad coming out as top...

> Christianity (1.9+ billion people). 600 year head start on Islam

> Islam (1.5+ billion people). Catching up at a rate of 10:1. Many of the converts are Atheists or Christians (including many Church leaders and ministers). By 2025 Muslims will out number Christians.

> In America pre 9/11 40000+ people convert to Islam per year, post 9/11, people have became curious about what makes Muslims tick. They are now discovering that what Muslims like these do are completely in the opposite direction to the teachings of Muhammad and Islam, hence why the number of converts has increased to 78000+ a year.

> Jesus' message was 2.4 years, Muhammad's 23 years

> Jesus' had 120 followers at the end of his time on earth Muhammad had millions

> Muhammad confirmed Jesus and believed in him, as Jesus said to his disciples whilst in the Garden of Gethsemane that someone would come to confirm him

> Jesus said he came to the tribe of Israel only, Muhammad said he came to all mankind.

> The different denominations of Christianity don't agree with each other about Mary, Jesus, the trinity, the many versions and revisions of the Bible etc, whereas the different denominations of Islam agree that Muhammad is the final Prophet, Jesus is a Prophet and performed miracles, God is One and Only, and the exact Quran as at the time of Muhammad is still used today by all the denominations, and the originals are still available.

> 10's of millions of Muslims have memorised the entire Quran all over the world, whereas no Christian has memorised the bible and if they did they would have to memorise their own version and would have to update their memorisations every time a new revision was released.

> The bible that we know today was written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John (who are they? Real name? Last name?) and Paul (Saul of Tarsus: A Christian Killer) who preached to the Gentiles which Jesus said not to do. None where direct disciples of Jesus.

> What is known as Apocrypha today is the Gospels that the Roman (Origin Pagans: worshiped many gods, human gods etc) Catholic Church wanted to destroy because it denies the trinity and the divinity of Jesus and reveals the coming of another (Muhammad). "Eg. The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed. An Edict was issued that any one in possession of these Gospels will be put to death" (http://www.barnabas.net/)

> Jesus did not found Christianity and the Church (Paul did). Muhammad founded Islam.

> Muhammad taught a way of life from birth to death. Things as simple as one should sit down when they put their shoes on etc (This has been medically proven that putting your shoes on whilst standing and hunching causes lower back pain). He taught every day life issues etc.

> The Quran contains many scientific information that has been confirmed by science only in the last century. Would Muhammad have known all this stuff or is he a lucky guesser?

> The world as we know it today was influenced by Islam, scientifically, mathematically, medically, agriculturally as well as through art etc. Islam promoted education for both men and women whereas the Church forbade it and called it blasphemy and the penalty was death to anyone who would go against the Church (http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/ a documentary by non-Muslim American historians and lecturers in religion)

> Islam is in no way derived from Zoroastrianism but follows on from Judaism as Christianity did.
 
1.5 billion Muslims is a lot of people in Hell.....

1.9 Christians is a lot of people in Hell.....

I believe the "magic bullet" to Heaven is "seeing yourself" in others regardless of religion and treating them like you would treat Jesus.....

But dont worry.... There will be many Christians that will quickly try to point out Muhamed as a rapist demon possesed fool.....
 
A comparison between Muhammad and Jesus Christ

(1) Muhammad was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

(2) Muhammad's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

(3) Muhammad promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

(4) Muhammad was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

(5) Muhammad and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

(6) Muhammad's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

(7) Muhammad practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).

(8) Muhammad was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

(9) Muhammad conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

(10) Muhammad said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

(11) Muhammad was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

(12) Muhammad preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

(13) Muhammad declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

(14) Muhammad constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

(15) Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Muhammad and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

(16) Modern day disciples of Muhammad respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

(17) Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

(18) Muhammad said the Qur’an is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire His Word in more than one language.

(19) Muhammad hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16)

(20) Muhammad allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and moral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20)

(21) Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise; The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God-- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2)

(22) The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation; The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8)

(23) Muhammad said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammad said a women goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25)

(24) Muhammad called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)

(25) Muhammad ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

(26) The Qur’an says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qur’an 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

(27) The Qur’an says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qur’an 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

(28) The Qur’an says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qur’an 8.12); Jesus says to Love your enemies and pray for them (Matthew 5: 43-47)

(29) Muhammad’s Qur’an is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).

(30) Muhammad's mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

(31) Muhammad considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Muhammad to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

(32) Muhammad claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

(33) Islam is geocentric: that is; the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23)

(34) Muhammad's tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

(35) Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it; The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16)

(36) Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

(37) Is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO! He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear; The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. (1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19. We love him, because he first loved us.)

This concept is 100% alien to Islam-- There is no love in Islam-- Only fear and hate.

Author Unknown http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/ ... hammed.htm

:o :o :o
 
Soma-Sight said:
1.5 billion Muslims is a lot of people in Hell.....

1.9 Christians is a lot of people in Hell.....

I believe the "magic bullet" to Heaven is "seeing yourself" in others regardless of religion and treating them like you would treat Jesus.....

But dont worry.... There will be many Christians that will quickly try to point out Muhamed as a rapist demon possesed fool.....

Actually, it is the Muslims and Mohammed himself who calls Mohammed a rapist, murderer and pedophile in the hadith. Also, Mohammed himself admits that he at first thought allah was the devil. So he himself admits he was demon-possessed. Only his wife changed his mind for him. The difference is that Muslims and all murderers and demon-possessed people are proud of the things Mohammed did and the followers of Jesus are not. :)
 
Also, Soma, looking at others and only seeing yourself is called narcissism in secular terms. In Christian terms it's called self-worship. Such people can't see others as unique separate beings and thus cannot know what's best for others. Therefore, there loving others is not possible for narcissists.
 
Also, Soma, looking at others and only seeing yourself is called narcissism in secular terms. In Christian terms it's called self-worship. Such people can't see others as unique separate beings and thus cannot know what's best for others. Therefore, there loving others is not possible for narcissists.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess Jesus was the Ultimatenarcissist if you really think about it....

He believed He was God...
His vision of the world superceded what was real to everyone else....
His belief in His own power was so strong He conquered death!

And then you have this....

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
 
SomaSight: I guess Jesus was the Ultimatenarcissist if you really think about it....

(1) He believed He was God...

Gary: He was and is God. Has always been. Read John 1:1-18

SomaSight: (2) His vision of the world superceded what was real to everyone else....

Gary: Huh? That is gobbledygook. Care to explain? Quote some Scripture?

SomaSight: (3) His belief in His own power was so strong He conquered death!

Gary: What? Do you not have a Bible? Who raised Jesus? Again, please quote Scripture.

:roll: :roll:
 
Gary, ull notice very single one of ur points is quoted from scripture- open to varying degrees of interpretation and rejection from some people.

Mine are fact. :)
 
Mine are facts about Muhammad... who would follow a man like that??

:sad
 
Gary said:
Mine are facts about Muhammad... who would follow a man like that??

:sad

Mine are fact- no doubt.

But yours, they're from the Bible- am i going to believe the bible, are all the other non-christians around the world going to believe the bible, or are they going to believe facts.
 
bilal said:
Muhammad taught a way of life from birth to death. Things as simple as one should sit down when they put their shoes on etc (This has been medically proven that putting your shoes on whilst standing and hunching causes lower back pain). He taught every day life issues etc.
Yes, that is so funny :D

Below is some of Muhammad's "wisdom"
Click to read the detail -click here-

Muhammad and magic - was he bewitched?
Who was Muhammad having sex with?
What should I do to avoid magic?
Fly in your drink? - don’t worry, drink up
Adam the colossus - you too will be this big in paradise (about 30m high!)
Take down the pictures, kill the dogs - or no angels will visit you
Muhammad’s genetics - depends on who discharges first
Everyone must have a will - except Muhammad. (Do as I say, not what I do)
Do spirits eat? If they do, what do they eat? Let’s ask Muhammad
How sure is Muhammad of his own salvation?
Murder and deceit - trademarks of Muhammad’s character
What happens when the sun sets?
How many wings does the angel Gabriel have?
Satan in your nose
Be careful with your urine. Soiling yourself leads to being tortured in your grave
However, drinking camel’s urine is OK. It is a medicine
Remember, use you left hand and don’t point to Mecca
Fevers from hell
Why does a person have trouble waking up for prayers? Let’s ask Muhammad why
What should we do with Muhammad’s ablution water?
What is the “seal of a prophet�
Passing wind - more hadath
Bad breath
Yawning is from Satan
Majority of people in hell are ungrateful women
Women are deficient in intelligence
Women in paradise - they are there for men’s use
What should happen to someone who gives up Islam? (Apostasy)
Muhammad’s sexual appetite
Muhammad chooses his sexual partners from those he invades
What physically happened to Muhammad when he received so-called revelations?
Muhammad’s hypocrisy

Read all about it here:
http://answer-islam.org/Inspiredhadith2.html

:o
 
bilal said:
Islam agree ..... and the exact Quran as at the time of Muhammad is still used today by all the denominations, and the originals are still available.

That is utter deception.... to be expected.

Read the truth about the Quran:

From early childhood Muslims are taught one of the greatest of all fallacies - that the Bible has been corrupted while the Qur’an has been miraculously safeguarded from change. The truth is that the evidence for the textual authenticity of the Bible is far greater than that for the Qur’an. Considering also the fact that the Bible contains sixty-six books compiled over a period of nearly two thousand years while the Qur’an, a much newer book, derives from only one man during a short period of twenty-three years, there is every good reason to believe that it is the Bible that has a greater claim to be the preserved Word of God. Let us consider, in contrast to the evidences we have for Biblical manuscripts, what happened to the earliest codices of the Qur’an.

Read on here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... chap1.html

During Muhammad’s lifetime the Qur’an was fully never written down or collected into a single text. In one of the most reliable records of Muhammad’s life and teachings it is stated that the Qur’an came down to him most abundantly just before his death and that this period was the time of the greatest part of its revelation (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 474). Thus there was no reason to attempt to collect it into one book, especially as more portions could be expected as long as Muhammad remained alive.

It was only after Muhammad’s death that the first attempts were made to compile written manuscripts of the whole Qur’an text. The same source states that Abu Bakr, Muhammad’s immediate successor, encouraged a well-known reciter of the Qur’an, Zaid ibn-Thabit, to collect it. This young man recorded that he had to acquire it from various sources, namely palm-leaf stalks, thin white stones and other materials upon which parts of it had been recorded as well as from the memories from those who learnt it by heart. At least one verse was found with only one person, Abi Khuzaima al-Ansari (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478). Taken together, these were hardly the ideal source for a perfect, inerrant compilation.

At the time this manuscript had very little significance other than being commissioned by the Caliph himself. It receded into the private custody of Hafsah, one of the widows of Muhammad (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478). Other codices were soon put together by close companions of Muhammad and it is important to be familiar with the most well-known.

Contrary to popular Muslim belief there are numerous evidences to prove that the Qur’an is incomplete as it stands today. Abdullah ibn Umar had this to say in the very early days of Islam:

  • Let none of you say "I have acquired the whole of the Qur’an". How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur’an has disappeared? Rather let him say "I have acquired what has survived." (As-Suyuti, Al Itqan fii ‘Ulum al-Qur’an, p. 524).
There are many records of verses, passages and even whole sections that are said to have originally been part of the Qur’an which are no longer there.

:D
 
Gary, this is Jesus v. Muhammad. You still havent answered to the fact that all of my post is fact, and yours is based on srcipture from the bible.

If a non-muslim, non-christian were to see it, who do u think they'll believe: ur scripture of the bible (which they have no reason to believe as fact, or my facts?
 
Bilal said:
Gary, this is Jesus v. Muhammad. You still havent answered to the fact that all of my post is fact, and yours is based on srcipture from the bible.
Yes... and I posted a "Jesus vs Muhammad" comparison. After seeing that, it is very obvious why we would rather follow Jesus than Muhammad.

I have also shown that your "facts" are false. That is what we have come to expect from Muhammad and his followers.

I have shown that the Quran NOT "the exact Quran as at the time of Muhammad is still used today by all the denominations" and I have shown that your other statement that "the originals are still available" is also FALSE.

So your "facts" are not true at all.

Should we now compare the lives of the two men?

Did Muhammad ever encourage deceit? YES or NO?

:o
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Gary said:
Bilal said:
Gary, this is Jesus v. Muhammad. You still havent answered to the fact that all of my post is fact, and yours is based on srcipture from the bible.
Yes... and I posted a "Jesus vs Muhammad" comparison. After seeing that, it is very obvious why we would rather follow Jesus than Muhammad.

I have also shown that your "facts" are false. That is what we have come to expect from Muhammad and his followers.

I have shown that the Quran NOT "the exact Quran as at the time of Muhammad is still used today by all the denominations" and I have shown that your other statement that "the originals are still available" is also FALSE.

So your "facts" are not true at all.

Should we now compare the lives of the two men?

Did Muhammad ever encourage deceit? YES or NO?

:o
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facts are false? They are historical statistics...

1.9+ Chritians in the world, with 600 yr head start...true is it not?

1.5+ Muslims in the world. Catching up at a rate of 10:1. Many of the converts are Atheists or Christians (including many Church leaders and ministers). By 2025 Muslims will out number Christians. ....true is it not?

Pre 9/11===> 40K converts
Post 9/11===> 78K converts......true is it not?

Jesus' message was 2.4 years, Muhammad's 23 years...true is it not?

Jesus' had 120 followers at the end of his time on earth Muhammad had millions...true is it not?

Jesus said he came to the tribe of Israel only, Muhammad said he came to all mankind...true is it not?

10's of millions of Muslims have memorised the entire Quran all over the world, whereas no Christian has memorised the bible and if they did they would have to memorise their own version and would have to update their memorisations every time a new revision was released....true is it not?

Jesus did not found Christianity and the Church (Paul did). Muhammad founded Islam...true is it not?

The Quran contains many scientific information that has been confirmed by science only in the last century. Would Muhammad have known all this stuff or is he a lucky guesser?...true?

this could go on...


"What is known as Apocrypha today is the Gospels that the Roman (Origin Pagans: worshiped many gods, human gods etc) Catholic Church wanted to destroy because it denies the trinity and the divinity of Jesus and reveals the coming of another (Muhammad). "Eg. The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed. An Edict was issued that any one in possession of these Gospels will be put to death" (http://www.barnabas.net/) "

hmmm.....want to explain?


You want early Quranic manuscripts? Here..http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
 
bilal said:
"Eg. The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed. An Edict was issued that any one in possession of these Gospels will be put to death" (http://www.barnabas.net/) "

hmmm.....want to explain?
Explain what? Why would I need to explain Muslim deception? It is a known fact. Muhammad deceived. Muslims today deceive. Nothing new. The Gospel of Barnabas is just another Muslim deception.

:)

Ever so often, Muslims mention the 'Gospel of Barnabas'. What are the reasons that nearly everybody, who has studied it (including many Islamic scholars), believe that the is a (Muslim?) forgery from the Middle ages? The below references should give you enough material to ponder if you don't believe it.
Read on:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Barnabas/index.html

You still so sure?

:) :)

P.S. Did Muhammad ever encourage deceit? YES or NO?

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The deception continues...

bilal said:
facts are false? They are historical statistics...

1.9+ Chritians in the world, ...

1.5+ Muslims in the world.

....true is it not?

Buzz.... FALSE again

Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion

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:D
 
Exposing the deceptive Muslims...

bilal said:
Jesus said he came to the tribe of Israel only, Muhammad said he came to all mankind...true is it not?
BUZZ ... FALSE again

According to Jesus' own words, his mission is universal:

  • (a) His death is meant to accomplish the redemption of all mankind - Matthew 20:28 = Mark 10:45; John 3:16; John 4:42; John 12:32; etc.

    (b) His gospel message was to be preached to all mankind - Matthew 10:18; Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 13:10; Mark 14:9; Mark 16:15; Luke 4:25-30; Luke 24:47; John 17:20-21: Acts 1:8.

    (c) His kingdom includes people of all nations - Matthew 8:11-12; Matthew 21:43; Matthew 25:31-32; Luke 13:28-30; John 10:16; John 11:52.
Your problem is to explain how Muhammad's message is universal when he said:

  • (1) As an Arab he is sent to his people who had no prophet before he came - Surah 2:151; 3:164; 6:92; 26:214; 28:46-47; 32:3.

    (2) The Qur'an is therefore in Arabic so the Arabs cannot claim that God did not send a revelation to them - Surah 2:136; 6:155-157; 12:2; 13:37; 16:103; 20:113; 26:195,198; 41:44; 42:7; 43:3; 46:12.

:o :o
 
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