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Jesus v. Muhammad

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In this corner....weighing in at....180 lbs....the scourge of Arabia...the Son of the Devil....the Violator of young girls........the prophet.........Muuuuuuuhaaaaaaameeeedddd........

In this corner...with the weight of the world on his shoulders.....The Prince of Peace....The Son of God.....The Lion of Judah......Jeeeesuuus.....the Chriiiiiiist........

Let's get readyyyyyy toooooo Rumblllllllleeeeee....!

Float like a butterfly....Sting like a bee.....Jesus will take care of Muhammed, and it won't take three......

Sorry...the old "Rope a Dope" kicking in....
 
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Gary said:
Bilal said:
The narrations of the Hadiths were done through verbal transmissions. One person would give a narration with his own words, then another person would say "I heard such and such say that Prophet Muhammad said...", then another person would say "I heard such and such that he heard from such and such, that he heard from such and such, that he heard from such and such, that Prophet Muhammad said...."

Some of those transmissions were either fabricated, or altered. That is why Muslims are very careful when it comes to the Hadiths and their narrations.

It is generally agreed upon that unless the narrator was a well-known person, or a close companion to the Prophet peace be upon him, then the narration is considered "weak" or "doubtful". So there are varying degrees of authenticity to these hadiths, some are considered strong, especially if they agree with the righteous word of the Holy Quran, while others are considered by scholars to be weak.

Thank you... you prove my point. You reject some Hadith.... even the ones called "authentic" (Sahih) and collected by Bukhari.

Hence you can reject the Hadith that you built your claim on, namely, "Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Rubbing hands and feet with dust (Tayammum), Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331)"

You have done very well... you have admitted that Muslims fabricated or altered what Muhammad said and taught.

:D

Some hadeeths are strong while others are weak---its just like your bible. Yet remember, the Holy Quran is the first and utmost source of Islam, and if a hadeeth agrees with the Quran, who am i or u to argue with that?

Can we keep this discussion sensible please...thnx
 
Peace be upon those who follow guidance,
I start with the name of Almighty G-d, The Most Merciful The Enterly Compassionate, and send blessings on All His Prophets and Messengers.

To Proceed

I will just ask the Original Poster, I am assuming that you, Bilal, are Muslim, i.e. One who is in submission to the Will of Almighty G-d, so I fail to see why you would start such a topic entitled, Jesus vs Muhammad.

Maybe I can share some of what I thought the Qu'ran said about Jesus:

According to Surah 19,

29 But she (Mary) pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle?
30 He (Jesus) said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet;
31 And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live;
32And dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me insolent, unblessed;
33And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.

Surah 4,

172 The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.

Which can go hand in hand with Acts 2,

22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.

Maybe it would have been better titled The Biblical Representation of Jesus vs Muhammad.

In the hope of better interfaith dialogue, Eesa Abdullah.
 
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