Judaic Christians Judaize

[CherubRam]

Judaize Galatians 2:14


YLT
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they are not walking uprightly to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before all, `If thou, being a Jew, in the manner of the nations dost live, and not in the manner of the Jews, how the nations dost thou compel to Judaize?

My translation
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not walking uprightly according to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before everyone, If you, being a Jew live in the manner of the nations, and not in the manner of the Jews, then how will you compel the nations to Judaize?

 

[for_his_glory]

Paul Opposes Peter

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Justified by Faith

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[CherubRam]

Paul Opposes Peter

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Justified by Faith

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Here is the word from the original text: ( ioudaizein )

The term is derived from the Koine Greek word Ἰουδαΐζειν (Ioudaizein), used once in the Greek New Testament (Galatians 2:14), when Paul the Apostle publicly challenged the Apostle Peter for compelling Gentile converts to early Christianity to "judaize". This episode is known as the incident at Antioch.

Judaizers
The Judaizers were a group of Judaic Christians, both of Jewish and non-Jewish origins, who regarded the commandment laws of the Old Testament as still binding on all Christians.

These are the ones who had the letters of the Disciples originally.

Before people were called Christians they were called "converts" to Judaism."

 

[CherubRam]

Paul Opposes Peter

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Justified by Faith

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

There was the Mosaic laws of the priesthood that dealt with the Festivals, Sacrifices, and Offerings. Then there was also the Sabbath and moral commands of God.
God found fault with the people, He did not find fault with His commandments.

 

[for_his_glory]

when Paul the Apostle publicly challenged the Apostle Peter for compelling Gentile converts to early Christianity to "judaize"

Peter was not compelling Gentiles to convert to Judaism, but to bring them to Christ for at that time there were no Jew or Gentile.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[for_his_glory]

There was the Mosaic laws of the priesthood that dealt with the Festivals, Sacrifices, and Offerings. Then there was also the Sabbath and moral commands of God.
God found fault with the people, He did not find fault with His commandments.

Have no idea what you are talking about. Where did I ever say God found fault with His commandments.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

BTW, what is your point with this thread. I'm just throwing scripture out there like you did with no point or purpose.

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[CherubRam]

Have no idea what you are talking about. Where did I ever say God found fault with His commandments.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

BTW, what is your point with this thread. I'm just throwing scripture out there like you did with no point or purpose.

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People: God found fault with the people.

Jeremiah 17:4
Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you. I will enslave you to your enemies in a land you do not know, for you have kindled my anger, and it will burn forever.”

Hebrews 8:8
But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

 

[CherubRam]

Peter was not compelling Gentiles to convert to Judaism, but to bring them to Christ for at that time there were no Jew or Gentile.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

? The wording is not what I intended. Don't know what happened.

 

[eddif]

Have no idea what you are talking about. Where did I ever say God found fault with His commandments.

CherubRam made the statement in his post #4.

When selecting parts of a post to comment on. If you accidentally drop the curser in the wrong place (suddenly you have links between the original quote and annser, and the present post.

I caught my goof the other day, and had to delete the whole post (I was making) and start over.

On a smart phone all sorts of stuff can happen.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Before people were called Christians they were called "converts" to Judaism."

You might have to show me that in scripture.

I can find a reference at Pentecost that may be what you are talking about, but not as you quoted it

Act2:8 kjv
8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9. Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10. Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11. Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

The Jews and proselytes in verse 10 are pre Christian. They came from the lands that listened to the Ezekiel dispersion of good Jews (that mourned over the sins of Israel).
Some of the foreign lands had people that converted to the law of Moses. The converts went to worship at Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:16 kjv
16. And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

The Righteous Jews from the Ezekiel dispersion had converts with them. These are the ones who believed at Pentecost.

I believe they were called the way previous to being called Christians.
Acts 22:4 kjv
4. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[CherubRam]

You might have to show me that in scripture.

I can find a reference at Pentecost that may be what you are talking about, but not as you quoted it

Act2:8 kjv
8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9. Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10. Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11. Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

The Jews and proselytes in verse 10 are pre Christian. They came from the lands that listened to the Ezekiel dispersion of good Jews (that mourned over the sins of Israel).
Some of the foreign lands had people that converted to the law of Moses. The converts went to worship at Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:16 kjv
16. And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

The Righteous Jews from the Ezekiel dispersion had converts with them. These are the ones who believed at Pentecost.

I believe they were called the way previous to being called Christians.
Acts 22:4 kjv
4. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Matthew 23:15
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

Acts 2:11
(both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

Acts 6:5
This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

Acts 13:43
When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.

Acts 15:3
The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad.

Romans 16:5
Greet also the church that meets at their house. Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia.

1 Corinthians 16:15
You know that the household of Stephanas were the first converts in Achaia, and they have devoted themselves to the service of the Lord’s people. I urge you, brothers and sisters,

1 Timothy 3:6
He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?”

1 Peter 4:16
However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Acts 24:5
“We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect

Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,

Acts 26:5
They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that I conformed to the strictest sect of our religion, living as a Pharisee.

Acts 28:22
But we want to hear what your views are, for we know that people everywhere are talking against this sect.”

Matthew 2:23
and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.

Mark 14:67
When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him. “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.

Mark 16:6
“Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.

Acts 24:5
“We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect

 

[eddif]

Acts 2:7 kjv
7. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Matthew 4:15 kjv
15. The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16. The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

According to where you stand (when you speak).

I know if I am not smart enough. That may be an advantage.

for_his_glory should I try?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Acts 2:7 kjv
7. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Matthew 4:15 kjv
15. The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16. The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

According to where you stand (when you speak).

I know if I am not smart enough. That may be an advantage.

for_his_glory should I try?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

When all one does is post a bunch of scriptures without any explanation why then ya, there is nothing to respond to so why waste your time.

 

[eddif]

When all one does is post a bunch of scriptures without any explanation why then ya, there is nothing to respond to so why waste your time.

Ok
Nehemiah 8:5 kjv
5. And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:
6. And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.
7. Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.
8. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
7. And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day is holy unto the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.


Jeremiah 31:34 kjv
34. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It is sure a blessing to live under a new and better covenant.

Mississippi redneck.
eddif

 

[CherubRam]

When all one does is post a bunch of scriptures without any explanation why then ya, there is nothing to respond to so why waste your time.

OK, so you did not notice the bold print.

 

[eddif]

I do not like to guess.

New Guys
The use of NIV is one gap in understanding.
It appears our new group thinks a gentile convert becomes a Jew to get to Christ Jesus.
Then the Ten Commandments become the law of Jesus.

I have not been down this road.

The old guys CF
The Ezekiel dispersion introduced the whole gentile world to Judaism. Some became Jewish but all saw the wrath of God if they did not believe in the one true God (which at that time was Jewish information). And Daniel had also influenced the Babylonian society.

I know full well this could take days to get through.

CF is more or less
Great Commission

This New Group has not come clean as to who they are.
D-D-W could you help us understand.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

No wonder we are so messed up.

We hold these truths to be self-evident.
Really now?
I am probably guilty twice over.

Some how people think parables are easy for simple people to understand. Then the disciples should have said. (Jesus we appreciate you teaching so we can understand),
But they did not find his teaching to be self-evident..
The disciples asked Jesus (why do you speak in parables?).

Jesus told them in words that I think are self-evident. Little did I know tradition has a very loud and impactful voice. A voice is louder than….

eddif

 

[CherubRam]

I do not like to guess.

New Guys
The use of NIV is one gap in understanding.
It appears our new group thinks a gentile convert becomes a Jew to get to Christ Jesus.
Then the Ten Commandments become the law of Jesus.

I have not been down this road.

The old guys CF
The Ezekiel dispersion introduced the whole gentile world to Judaism. Some became Jewish but all saw the wrath of God if they did not believe in the one true God (which at that time was Jewish information). And Daniel had also influenced the Babylonian society.

I know full well this could take days to get through.

CF is more or less
Great Commission

This New Group has not come clean as to who they are.
D-D-W could you help us understand.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

True Christianity is based upon Judaism. Christ and the Disciples were Orthodox Jews. The one True God is Yahwah, our Holy father. He formed before any other.

Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares (the Lord / Yahwah,) “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am (the Lord / Yahwah,)
and apart from me there is no savior.

 

[eddif]

True Christianity is based upon Judaism. Christ and the Disciples were Orthodox Jews. The one True God is Yahwah, our Holy father. He formed before any other.

Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares (the Lord / Yahwah,) “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am (the Lord / Yahwah,)
and apart from me there is no savior.

Thanks for the heads up. If I get out of line just tell me. I consider myself to be a grafted in Jew. Probably not the way you all think, but that we can discuss.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok
Nehemiah 8:5 kjv
5. And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:
6. And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.
7. Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.
8. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
7. And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day is holy unto the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.


Jeremiah 31:34 kjv
34. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It is sure a blessing to live under a new and better covenant.

Mississippi redneck.
eddif

Now by adding what you said about living under a new and better covenant after posting the scriptures first that opens a dialog to discuss. Thank you as this is what I am trying to show CherubRam