Just one big rant...neighbors ill tempered dogs

[follower of Christ]

Dogs.
I love and hate dogs with a passion.
Good dogs, calm dogs, obedient dogs are one of the best things to have around. Youve always got a friend.

Never seems to be that way, however. Theres always one neighbor with that big ill tempered Rottie or Pitbull that makes my teeth grind.
And then theres my biggest pet peeve....irresponsible dog owners who let their mutts run the neighborhood unatttended...and just as bad the owner who doesnt seem to want to put out $20 for a leash and collar to keep the mutt under control when theyre doing their business in MY yard.

For 2 years in NY state, prior to moving to Ohio last November, I had to deal with the Rott next door.
Oh, she was cute enough when she was 3 months old and hopped around our yard and was fun to play with. Then the dope head owners somehow decided that it was ok for her to keep getting more and more aggressive, so much so that I watched her chase down a child and even an old woman on the sidewalk.
When dog control came the stupid mutt even tried to attack the officer who came out to warn the owner.

So I find out from the Police up in Endicott that I could simply kill the dog without further notice if she was trying to bite, or acting like she was going to bite, as long as she wasnt on the owners property and as long as we werent teasing her.
This dog literally chased me up the outside stairs and had there not been an outer door I think I might have been bit...not once or twice but quite a few times over an entire summer.

So dog control and the police both inform the fine folks next door that they have let me know that Im within my rights to flat out kill the dog next time it tries to bite us.
Guess what ?
Never had another problem with that dog again. Always in its yard..always on a chain. The most she did was bark thru the fence from then on. I can live with that even if Id prefer tying her up to the back of my van and driving 80 mph down the freeway with her trying to keep up behind me (sorry, again I love dogs and I know its not the dogs fault that its owners didnt teach it manners).


So today, a year later and 500 miles away in another city in an apt Ive actually started enjoying, even tho its small, a Pitbull, possibly 4-5 months old comes running up to the wife and I, first its skipping along, then starts growling and acting pretty agressive.
The nimrod woman owner sees it, sees us, sees all three of us round the corner out of view and doesnt do a thing to call the dog or anything.

In NY state Id have had to basically went hand to paw with that dog....Rotts are pretty big dogs.
But I live in Ohio now and I carry a concealed 357 magnum on my hip every waking hour now that I have a concealed carry license.
Ohio Law is VERY clear about aggressive dogs....

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/955.28


955.28 Dog may be killed for certain acts - owner liable for damages.

(A) Subject to divisions (A)(2) and (3) of section 955.261 of the Revised Code, a dog that is chasing or approaching in a menacing fashion or apparent attitude of attack, that attempts to bite or otherwise endanger, or that kills or injures a person or a dog that chases, threatens, harasses, injures, or kills livestock, poultry, other domestic animal, or other animal, that is the property of another person, except a cat or another dog, can be killed at the time of that chasing, threatening, harassment, approaching, attempt, killing, or injury.

If, in attempting to kill such a dog, a person wounds it, the person is not liable to prosecution under the penal laws that punish cruelty to animals. Nothing in this section precludes a law enforcement officer from killing a dog that attacks a police dog as defined in section 2921.321 of the Revised Code.

(B) The owner, keeper, or harborer of a dog is liable in damages for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that is caused by the dog, unless the injury, death, or loss was caused to the person or property of an individual who, at the time, was committing or attempting to commit criminal trespass or another criminal offense other than a minor misdemeanor on the property of the owner, keeper, or harborer, or was committing or attempting to commit a criminal offense other than a minor misdemeanor against any person, or was teasing, tormenting, or abusing the dog on the owner’s, keeper’s, or harborer’s property. Additionally, the owner, keeper, or harborer of a dog is liable in damages for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that is caused by the dog if the injury, death, or loss was caused to the person or property of an individual who, at the time of the injury, death, or loss, was on the property of the owner, keeper, or harborer solely for the purpose of engaging in door-to-door sales or other solicitations regardless of whether the individual was in compliance with any requirement to obtain a permit or license to engage in door-to-door sales or other solicitations established by the political subdivision in which the property of the owner, keeper, or harborer is located, provided that the person was not committing a criminal offense other than a minor misdemeanor or was not teasing, tormenting, or abusing the dog.

Effective Date: 07-10-1987; 2008 HB71 09-30-2008

...so as this mutt is pretty much escorting us to our car in a very loud and aggressive manner my thoughts turn to the magnum on my hip.
The law is now being infringed upon by this dog and the owner....do I do what Im legally allowed to do now or do we continue to walk backwards toward the car so we can keep an eye on Fido here.


Sorry, just a rant.
Irresponsible dog owners need to live on an island with the rest of their kind away from civil, responsible human beings....

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[JoJo]

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I just hate it when dog owners let their dogs poop in my yard!

 

[follower of Christ]

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I just hate it when dog owners let their dogs poop in my yard!

heh heh
That rottie I was talking about ?
The owner lived next door, right ?
He'd bring her out and purposefully come down to OUR front yard to let her crap in OUR front yard.....every time !


Had I lived on the first floor instead of the third Id have had to have said something about that too.

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[Caroline H]

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You know what? If that were me I might have just shoveled it back into their yard in one big pile until they got the message

 

[follower of Christ]

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You know what? If that were me I might have just shoveled it back into their yard in one big pile until they got the message

I figured it was the first floor tenants problem

 

[follower of Christ]

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Just got off the phone with the Police Dept. and they said that the moment the dog started showing its teeth at us like it was that that is the line where we can do whatever we need to do...its us or the dog as far as theyre concerned.
The second officer I spoke to definitely agreed with the clearer interpretation of the ordinance I posted above. Coming at us showing teeth and growling is "approaching in a menacing fashion", she said.

Im going to be paranoid about even bringing my grandson over at this point.

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[jasoncran]

discharge legally obtained firearm into head or body of the pit bull and continue firing safely until animal ceases attack or menacing fashion or dies.

 

[Relic]

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Wow! you live in Ohio now! Wooohooo! Which city? I'm in Cleveland, and I'll tell ya, from reading your story... I would think you were a neighbor of mine. Just last summer a dog from down the street, got loose and attacked one of the neighbors that lives across the street from it. What a ruckus.... people started chasing the dog with sticks, screaming at it neighbors all in a ruckes, a broken window and all kinds of problems... The dog was held at bay while still barking at them in the middle of the street. Everyone was freaked including the dog (dogs don't know what the heck they did, they just freak and react) . Anyway... they called the cops, the ambulance, the gilr the dog bite was taken off to the hospital, and the dog was still barking at them and the cops while still in the middle of the street running back and forth from it's front yard into the street. Well, luckily the dogs owner came home... apparently someone called them to come and get their dog, (they weren't home, they must have let the dog out all day in the yard while they were are work ) so when they arrived they took the dog into the house. The cops were just about to taz that dog hadn't the owner come along just in time. Anyway.... things settled down.. .and I'm sure the dog owner got in deep trouble and fined.

When I lived in a suburb a few years past.... my then boyfriend has a dog that darted out of the house and nipped the dog on someone who was just walking their dog on a leash. Well, ( I kept telling my then boyfriend (he's deceased now) that he shouldn't let the dogs bark at people so much when they pass the house. (When I was alone with the dogs they didn't do that because I stopped them, but when he was home he let them bark and bark without stopping them.... I told him that was not proper control of the dogs. ) Anyway.... after that incident.... the person who was walking his dog called the cops, filed a report and was going to sue my boyfriend. My boyfriend called the police to try and settle the matter. My boyfirend was told that his dog might have to be put to sleep if it went to court... so my boyfriend asked if there was anything that could be done... Anyway... The police contacted the person whose dog was nipped and told him my boyfriend wanted to settle with him outside of court.... well turns out the guy who's dog was nipped said that if my boyfriend get professional training for the dog and it is shown that he had proper control of his dog that he would drop all charges. Well we took the dog (btw, it was a german sheppard) to trainig classes... The imporvement was a complete 180 degree turnaround. There wasn't any more that came of it... the case was thrown out because... my boyfriend died in the course of that from a brain aneurism [sp]... Long story short.... I ended up with the dog (we had 4 dogs, I ended up with the one) ... but after a few weeks of having her... She was still perfectly behaved with me.... I had to give the dog away because where I moved to the land lord wouldn't let me keep her, not because of her behavior but because he didn't want any dogs in the yard. period. So I gave her to the person who we took too to train her. I loved that dog so much... she was perfect with me. No behavioral problems at all, because I controlled her. To this day, she's probably an old dog now, or dead from old age or whatever... but to this day I still miss her. She was a fine well behaved dog for me and her and I had a very good rapport, unlike that of her and my boyfirend. I don't own any dogs now. I miss that because I love them too.

Anyway.... FoC, around here if anyones dog is out of line... and becomes a problem with too much barking, too much getting loose, etc. the neighbors call the dog warden and a warning is issued to the owner. If the owner gets too many complaints they get fined a heafty price, and if that doesn't work, and they continue to get complaints from the neighbors, they take the dog away from the owner. It's a long process because they have to come out and catch the stupid dog in the act... but it works if the timing is right. I hate the system... it's screwy! but.... calling the cops and dog warden usually is protocal around here.

What part of Ohio do you live?

That Ohio law would be a great flyer to mail out to all the dog owners around here that are so slackard in their repsonsibility in controlling their dogs.

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edited to correct spelling from god warden to dog warden
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[Relic]

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I would think a tazer would serve the purpose until the cops arrive.

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[follower of Christ]

discharge legally obtained firearm into head or body of the pit bull and continue firing safely until animal ceases attack or menacing fashion or dies.

I read a story about a LEO who had to shoot a pitbull like 7 times or more and I still think they had to pry its mouth off.
Crazy...

 

[jasoncran]

discharge legally obtained firearm into head or body of the pit bull and continue firing safely until animal ceases attack or menacing fashion or dies.

I read a story about a LEO who had to shoot a pitbull like 7 times or more and I still think they had to pry its mouth off.
Crazy...

aim is the key obviously of course that .357 you had is probalbly far more powerful than a lot of cop side arms. we use to use ak-47 on sick dogs in afghanistan and killed them with one shot to the head, so they death would be quick and mericiful.

 

[follower of Christ]

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I would think a tazer would serve the purpose until the cops arrive.

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Whats crazy about that is the way Ohio laws work I CAN shoot the dog with the 357 Im licensed for, but tazing it could end me up in jail.
Technically we cant even carry a pocket knife here for 'self defense' or we risk jail time.

Im licensed for a handgun so thats really my only option....not to mention the fact that I really dont feel like putting any more money out on equipment :gah

 

[follower of Christ]

discharge legally obtained firearm into head or body of the pit bull and continue firing safely until animal ceases attack or menacing fashion or dies.

I read a story about a LEO who had to shoot a pitbull like 7 times or more and I still think they had to pry its mouth off.
Crazy...

aim is the key obviously of course that .357 you had is probalbly far more powerful than a lot of cop side arms. we use to use ak-47 on sick dogs in afghanistan and killed them with one shot to the head, so they death would be quick and mericiful.

What REALLY bothers me is that its not the dogs fault that its owner is worthless.
I hate the idea of punishing the dog to keep from being bit simply because the owner is completely iresponsible.
I think the laws ought to prosecute owners beyond just being responsible for the damage, but also if they failed to get the dog proper training and socializing which is 99.999% of the problem.

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[jasoncran]

aim is the key obviously of course that .357 you had is probalbly far more powerful than a lot of cop side arms. we use to use ak-47 on sick dogs in afghanistan and killed them with one shot to the head, so they death would be quick and mericiful.[/quote]
What REALLY bothers me is that its not the dogs fault that its owner is worthless.
I hate the idea of punishing the dog to keep from being bit simply because the owner is completely iresponsible.
I think the laws ought to prosecute owners beyond just being responsible for the damage, but also if they failed to get the dog proper training and socializing which is 99.999% of the problem.

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yes, i do agree but one cant take that chance.

 

[follower of Christ]

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Wow! you live in Ohio now! Wooohooo! Which city? I'm in Cleveland, and I'll tell ya, from reading your story... I would think you were a neighbor of mine.

Laura and I are WAAAY down in Columbus
We drive past you (271 to 90) when we head up to NY to see her family


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[follower of Christ]

That Ohio law would be a great flyer to mail out to all the dog owners around here that are so slackard in their repsonsibility in controlling their dogs.

I did this one up
http://web77.org/shotgunhunting/myfiles/Dog%20Laws.pdf

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[tim-from-pa]

Sorry, just a rant.
Irresponsible dog owners need to live on an island with the rest of their kind away from civil, responsible human beings....

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The thing about dogs is that they are pack animals and want "to follow the leader"--- in the case of a human, the human is the pack leader whereas cats are territorial and to themselves (Although I like dogs, I'm a cat person and have 5 of them). The personalities of the two even match the types of people that own them, i.e. "dog people" tend to be more sociable, companion oriented going-with the crowd type of people whereas "cat people" tend to be more to themselves, individualistic and unconventional marching to the beat of their own drum.

IMO, when the animals are "mismatched" to their owners, it probably shows up in the animal's personality. A nasty dog may be made that way due to the personality or neglect of the owner and the dog is messed up because the owner's own house is not in order so-to-speak. For example, since dogs require a "pack leader", if the owner provides little or poor support and let's them run around more like a cat (and maybe they should own cats instead), then the dog gets confused and the worst comes out. This is why stray dogs then find other stray dogs and form their own pack bringing out the worst in their behavior.

 

[Relic]

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Wow! you live in Ohio now! Wooohooo! Which city? I'm in Cleveland, and I'll tell ya, from reading your story... I would think you were a neighbor of mine.

Laura and I are WAAAY down in Columbus
We drive past you (271 to 90) when we head up to NY to see her family

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And I bypass Columbus when I drive down to visit my daughter in Dayton.



I pray you don't have to shoot any dogs. That you give fair warning to the owner as to your rights before any of that mess tries to come about. If it ever occurs again with any other dogs around the neighborhood.... I hope you send them notice, a copy of that Ordiance and a statement stating the you will not hesitate to use your rights. Ya think?

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[Relic]

That Ohio law would be a great flyer to mail out to all the dog owners around here that are so slackard in their repsonsibility in controlling their dogs.

I did this one up
http://web77.org/shotgunhunting/myfiles/Dog%20Laws.pdf

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:D Thank you soooo much!!!!

I'm going to see what our counselman will do in posting that in our community newspaper, and I will see what I can do to see what means I can use to distribute this to people around here.... Maybe the dog warden or police can leave them at the addresses they get complaints on. Thanks! Nothing gets the unruly to behave unless something is done about it. There's too many slackards and disrespectful people around these days... When I was younger people were more aware and respected their neighbors... loud unruly people and those with uncontrolled pets were a rare thing. We need to get respect for the laws back... people who think they don't have to respect laws and ordinances that were created for the wellfare of the community should be notified that this isn't the wild west. It's civilized now for a reason and we don't allow dogs to roam the streets like in the old days for a reason.

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[GojuBrian]

FoC,

You do have a problem. An agressive pitbull is everyone around's problem. If that dog is coming at you with aggression and the power it has it's like a couple bad guys with knives coming at you. It could end very badly. The .357 is a great round, the .44 mag or .45acp would be better imo, but shot placement is the ket as was already pointed out. Just bee sure of your backstop(most likely the ground) and use good name brand self defense rounds like gold-dots, SXT's, Cor Bon, or Pow R Ball's.

The neighbor needs to be aware of what a threat their dog is and the police need to straighten them out on this and the laws concerning their actions. If that dog bites you you and everyone around coulld sue their pants off. If you shoot the dog be ready to deal with legal issues yourself. Have a good lawyer handy and say NOTHING except you shot to stop a deadl threat to you and yours, nothing, I repeat...nothing more!

I'm putting you in m prayers that this gets resolved very soon without issue. Hopefully the neighbor will get rid of the dog or be more responsible soon.

Dogs get much more protective and aggressive at 10months old, fyi....