Just who will end up in the lake of fire, and why?

[Grubal Muruch]

Exactly right. AMEN

Double AMEN!!!!

 

[glorydaz]

This simply isn't in the text. It clearly states: "And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books." These books appear to be accounts of the works by which the dead are then judged. There really is no other meaning there. And certainly there is no mention of the Law.

The "dead" were judged according to their works. Those written in the Lamb's book of LIFE are not dead.
We were born again into the Spirit of Life.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

 

[glorydaz]

the lakefire implies torment and not some eternal destruction as when you get into this verse"

and they were tormented day and night before god and his holy angels"

We see this refers to the devil and the false prophet.

They are spiritual beings and can't be burned up in the lake of fire.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[glorydaz]

And what is this error that you mentioned? That the books and book of life are separate books? That is obvious. What the letters to the seven churches show is that it is possible to have one's name blotted out from the book of life.

I only see ASSURANCE that the Lord will NOT blot out his name.
This speaks strongly to our not losing our salvation.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

We have overcome because He overcame....believing through faith.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[Grubal Muruch]

The "dead" were judged according to their works. Those written in the Lamb's book of LIFE are not dead.
We were born again into the Spirit of Life.

100% correct...

 

[Grubal Muruch]

We see this refers to the devil and the false prophet.

They are spiritual beings and can't be burned up in the lake of fire.

AMEN!!!!

 

[Grubal Muruch]

I only see ASSURANCE that the Lord will NOT blot out his name.
This speaks strongly to our not losing our salvation.



We have overcome because He overcame....believing through faith.

BEAUTIFULLY PUT!!!

 

[jasoncran]

peter disagrees. why would jesus say to himself he that overcometh him will in no wise blot out?

was he talking to himself? the church was his. and he was warning them if you dont repent and return to thy first work or love they would be judged.

so a sinner can love God?

i quote alan keyes

in order for a revival to happen two things must be. you were alive and you died.

 

[glorydaz]

peter disagrees. why would jesus say to himself he that overcometh him will in no wise blot out?

was he talking to himself? the church was his. and he was warning them if you dont repent and return to thy first work or love they would be judged.

so a sinner can love God?

i quote alan keyes

I believe you're talking about this oft misunderstood text. Not everyone that attends church is saved.

This is referring to those who have left Egypt, if you will, but have not entered into the promised land.
Sorta like the jailhouse conversions. They hear the way of righteousness, but turn back to their old life again.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

 

[stovebolts]

I believe you're talking about this oft misunderstood text. Not everyone that attends church is saved.

This is referring to those who have left Egypt, if you will, but have not entered into the promised land.
Sorta like the jailhouse conversions. They hear the way of righteousness, but turn back to their old life again.

While I agree 100% with your jist, I can say that this text is not exclusively speaking of the Exodus.

In verse 15, by way of example is Balaam. In the OT, he was "enlightened" by the Holy Spirit by way of Numbers 22:9, And God came unto Balaam.

In verse 18, Balaam says, I cannot go beyond the word of of the LORD my God.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

As for the churches, it is different to loose one's candlestick. This points to the lamp which lights the Holy Place within the tabernacle. Still, it is not good for this to occur.

 

[glorydaz]

While I agree 100% with your jist, I can say that this text is not exclusively speaking of the Exodus.

In verse 15, by way of example is Balaam. In the OT, he was "enlightened" by the Holy Spirit by way of Numbers 22:9, And God came unto Balaam.

In verse 18, Balaam says, I cannot go beyond the word of of the LORD my God.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

As for the churches, it is different to loose one's candlestick. This points to the lamp which lights the Holy Place within the tabernacle. Still, it is not good for this to occur.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean the OT reference to be more than a shadow.

There's so much in the OT that we use to increase our understanding of the new, as you've rightly pointed out in the above.

 

[jasoncran]

sigh, for its had better for them not to hear the gospel and crucify the lord afresh for if they crucified him afresh then theres no other sacrifice that can be made.


so if rhea refuse the invations here and now, she is forever damned and all any athiests here and in church that do that knowing the gospel truth.

that isnt what that verse says nor implies.

if it is a one time rejection then it cant be.
sorry balamm knew the lord and did just that he told the enemy balak how to stumble isreal and died for that and was judged as a sinner.

god in the ot says that if a righteous man turned from him and went to sins and died god remember not his rightenous and vice versa. but now in the church we seem to have this idea. oh lets pray a prayer and its im saved and if attend church for a year and was sincere and live 90 plus years as sinner its ok because im saved. or the idea that they didnt repent in the first place.

one cant fall away from the faith if one was never in it.

 

[glorydaz]

sigh, for its had better for them not to hear the gospel and crucify the lord afresh for if they crucified him afresh then theres no other sacrifice that can be made.


so if rhea refuse the invations here and now, she is forever damned and all any athiests here and in church that do that knowing the gospel truth.

that isnt what that verse says nor implies.

if it is a one time rejection then it cant be.
sorry balamm knew the lord and did just that he told the enemy balak how to stumble isreal and died for that and was judged as a sinner.

god in the ot says that if a righteous man turned from him and went to sins and died god remember not his rightenous and vice versa. but now in the church we seem to have this idea. oh lets pray a prayer and its im saved and if attend church for a year and was sincere and live 90 plus years as sinner its ok because im saved. or the idea that they didnt repent in the first place.

one cant fall away from the faith if one was never in it.

Sigh.....that isn't what I'm saying, and I think you know that.

You can read it however you like, but that doesn't mean you're correct in what you're saying above.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"There are those who will receive "eternal life" with God and those who will be cast into the lake of fire according to Scripture. Any thoughts??"

Simple - Folks who are place their FAITH in JESUS as their Savior go to heaven, and inherit eternal life, and folks who aren't - "end up in the lake of fire".

Simple as that.

Why would somebody even ASK that question????

 

[jasoncran]

Sigh.....that isn't what I'm saying, and I think you know that.

You can read it however you like, but that doesn't mean you're correct in what you're saying above.

what you forget is these parts.
revalation 4

5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels

if christ was talking to himself why would he say that? and he wasnt as in that book theres this

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent

and since when was a sinner chastisted? no per again the writer of hebrews he or she that is chastised is considered a child of god and he that isnt is a bastard and not one of his.

so that is and can only be someone who repented.however there are verses in the that book that speak to the lost. that are in the messages to the churches. but again how can one hear what the spirit says if they are one of his.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

"There are those who will receive "eternal life" with God and those who will be cast into the lake of fire according to Scripture. Any thoughts??"

Simple - Folks who are place their FAITH in JESUS as their Savior go to heaven, and inherit eternal life, and folks who aren't - "end up in the lake of fire".

Simple as that.

Why would somebody even ASK that question????

Maybe so somebody like you will come by and answer it!!!

 

[stovebolts]

if it is a one time rejection then it cant be.
sorry balamm knew the lord and did just that he told the enemy balak how to stumble isreal and died for that and was judged as a sinner.

Exactly, because what we do, and why we do it matters to God. Mt 5-7.

 

[glorydaz]

Sigh.....that isn't what I'm saying, and I think you know that.

You can read it however you like, but that doesn't mean you're correct in what you're saying above.

Jason, I think I may have misunderstood what you were saying when I responded like this.

I reread and saw this..."one cant fall away from the faith if one was never in it."

That I certainly agree with. I'd better read your posts a little more carefully...sorry about that.

 

[glorydaz]

what you forget is these parts.
revalation 4


if christ was talking to himself why would he say that? and he wasnt as in that book theres this

Christ was speaking of those who were "overcomers" because they were in Him.

and since when was a sinner chastisted? no per again the writer of hebrews he or she that is chastised is considered a child of god and he that isnt is a bastard and not one of his.

so that is and can only be someone who repented.however there are verses in the that book that speak to the lost. that are in the messages to the churches. but again how can one hear what the spirit says if they are one of his.

Yes, God chastens His children. I'm sure we can all attest to that. ;)

Are you referring to the messages to the churches in Revelation?

 

[childeye]

Exactly, because what we do, and why we do it matters to God. Mt 5-7.

Everyone should read this simple statement. To not steal because I feared what God would do to me is far different than to not steal because I would not want someone to steal from me. To worship God because He is able to torture me if I don't is different than to worship Him as the Love that makes me righteous.