Just who will end up in the lake of fire, and why?

[jasoncran]

Christ was speaking of those who were "overcomers" because they were in Him.





Yes, God chastens His children. I'm sure we can all attest to that. ;)

Are you referring to the messages to the churches in Revelation?

yes to the later,no to the former

why would the lord say that to them and yet in his chastisement threaten to remove the lampstand? btw its possible that is happening in american churches imho.

also your asuming that from your osas bias. put that aside and read and do proper exegisis.

he speaks to them that know him so if they are in him would he tell them continure to be in me so that i wont blot you out if theres was no way he would?

that makes sense if you consider the audience which would be mixed sinner/saved souls.

to the sinner it can lead him to repent. to the saved they can repent as well and remain in him.

 

[glorydaz]

yes to the later,no to the former

why would the lord say that to them and yet in his chastisement threaten to remove the lampstand? btw its possible that is happening in american churches imho.

also your asuming that from your osas bias. put that aside and read and do proper exegisis.

he speaks to them that know him so if they are in him would he tell them continure to be in me so that i wont blot you out if theres was no way he would?

that makes sense if you consider the audience which would be mixed sinner/saved souls.

to the sinner it can lead him to repent. to the saved they can repent as well and remain in him.

I'm afraid it is happening to the churches already, Jason. We need only look around to see they aren't the light of God to the World they should be. I think the Lord is speaking of things the congregation needs to correct if they don't want their candle stick to dim. We know the Menorah was set out to show prayer and worship was taking place...I'm not that up on symbolism, but I do know the seven candlesticks represent, the churches. I really don't see that it speaks to individual salvation, but rather the testimony of the church to the world. The possibility of a church drying up (being blotted out) is not only possible but has actually happened.

33No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

34The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

35Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

36If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

 

[savedbygrace57]

There are those who will receive "eternal life" with God and those who will be cast into the lake of fire according to Scripture. Any thoughts??

All who Christ did not died for to save them from their sins, will be headed to the lake of fire. They had no Saviour to save them from their sins !

 

[Grubal Muruch]

All who Christ did not died for to save them from their sins, will be headed to the lake of fire. They had no Saviour to save them from their sins !

And of course, there's not a "smidgen" of truth in that. Christ died for the sins of the, "entire" world without exception. Some by faith, will receive the benefits of God's "way of mercy" and sadly, some will not...

 

[jasoncran]

I'm afraid it is happening to the churches already, Jason. We need only look around to see they aren't the light of God to the World they should be. I think the Lord is speaking of things the congregation needs to correct if they don't want their candle stick to dim. We know the Menorah was set out to show prayer and worship was taking place...I'm not that up on symbolism, but I do know the seven candlesticks represent, the churches. I really don't see that it speaks to individual salvation, but rather the testimony of the church to the world. The possibility of a church drying up (being blotted out) is not only possible but has actually happened.

to him who overcometh(or he that overcometh) adress one person not a church were collectively saved. you cant have it both ways when he says to him
directly and i command form of language.

 

[savedbygrace57]

gb

And of course, there's not a "smidgen" of truth in that

Not in your philsophy its not. However the Christ I serve has saved all for whom He died from their sins, from the punishment of sin. He is what the scripture calls a Saviour ! Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

You see the promise is restricted to His People. Not all people are His, that's proven by God's choosing Israel .

 

[Grubal Muruch]

gb



Not in your philsophy its not. However the Christ I serve has saved all for whom He died from their sins, from the punishment of sin. He is what the scripture calls a Saviour ! Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

You see the promise is restricted to His People. Not all people are His, that's proven by God's choosing Israel .

I see we've "gone back" to that old "mundane" practice of, "your lord, my lord." I rather enjoyed the break from that nonsensical whimsy...Be that as it may, let us examine your latest premise.
Grubal says
Israel was chosen as a, "corporate nation of people" Because of Christs atonement on the cross, salvation is available to all who will receive it by faith. And this is accomplished, on an "individual" basis...

 

[kjb1769]

"he shall save his people"

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: -Matthew 10:5
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 10:6

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 15:24

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: -Romans 15:8

The promise was to Israel, the earthly ministry of Christ was to Israel.
But we are not Israel. Nor can we become Israel.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

"he shall save his people"

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: -Matthew 10:5
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 10:6

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 15:24

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: -Romans 15:8

The promise was to Israel, the earthly ministry of Christ was to Israel.
But we are not Israel. Nor can we become Israel.

No. But we've been "branched" in. Therefore, ALL who, place their faith in Christ are saved, both Jew and Gentile alike...

 

[savedbygrace57]

"he shall save his people"

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: -Matthew 10:5
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 10:6

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew 15:24

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: -Romans 15:8

The promise was to Israel, the earthly ministry of Christ was to Israel.
But we are not Israel. Nor can we become Israel.

His People is Israel, but not ethnic jews. The House of Israel Jesus came to save was not comprised of only ethnic jews, some of it was, but many were gentiles.

Christ People are the seed of Abraham, for He was of the Seed of Abraham

Gal 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

All that belong to Christ are also the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

Now do you believe that only ethnic jews here in Gal 3:29 belong to the seed of Abraham Christ ?

And the seed of Abraham and Israel are the same in scripture !

 

[stovebolts]

Everyone should read this simple statement. To not steal because I feared what God would do to me is far different than to not steal because I would not want someone to steal from me. To worship God because He is able to torture me if I don't is different than to worship Him as the Love that makes me righteous.

Amen! :waving

 

[kjb1769]

I believe that in the Body of Christ no distinction is made.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. -Galatians 3:28

 

[glorydaz]

I believe that in the Body of Christ no distinction is made.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. -Galatians 3:28

Amen, for God is not a respecter of persons, but looks into our heart.