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Justification: Main Idea?

I do see a real righteousness we have always had called love, on account of the spiritual attributes of the Creator endowed in the creation. However any doubt in the Creator is also a doubt in ourselves. We like virgins, did not know what a virgin is. Nor did we esteem God as God when we knew Him.
I apologize, but I am having difficulty what it is you are saying here, my mind is more logically driven.. as you can see I like to number things and list out neat little observations that flow together. Your use of imagery and somewhat ambiguous language makes it difficult for me in particular to understand. Let's perhaps try this...

Pick a Scripture that you believe represents a major part of Justification and provide an explanation of the text and how that affects how we understand the doctrine at large.

Thank you, I look forward to your response.

Blessings in Christ,
Servant of Jesus
 
I do see a real righteousness we have always had called love, on account of the spiritual attributes of the Creator endowed in the creation. However any doubt in the Creator is also a doubt in ourselves. We like virgins, did not know what a virgin is. Nor did we esteem God as God when we knew Him.
I apologize, but I am having difficulty what it is you are saying here, my mind is more logically driven.. as you can see I like to number things and list out neat little observations that flow together. Your use of imagery and somewhat ambiguous language makes it difficult for me in particular to understand. Let's perhaps try this...

Pick a Scripture that you believe represents a major part of Justification and provide an explanation of the text and how that affects how we understand the doctrine at large.

Thank you, I look forward to your response.

Blessings in Christ,
Servant of Jesus
Hebrews 9:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


There are many scriptures that speak of justification but I chose the above scripture because it causes me to ask two questions. What am I guilty of? And how does the blood of the Christ cleanse my conscience. The following is from another post:
Oh you beautiful and Loving people of God.
Thank you for all of your wonderful responses, full of insight and gifted wisdom. I think all of your answers are full of Truth. And before any thought that I am practicing flattery enters the air, I would like to show you why I say that you are all full of Truth and why I posed the two questions.

If you recall I had asked of what am I guilty of? And how does the blood of Jesus cleanse my conscience?

Both of these questions are closely related. For if I do not know what I did wrong there can be no sincere sorrow. There can be no getting right before God. For if He asked me what I am sorry for and I cannot tell Him, then I am still estranged and my apology is invalid. Nor is there any true repentance. I know because of disobedience to God we were driven from the garden and now face death. So to simply say I am sorry for disobeying God is a now a self-serving sorrow. So it is that I have seen that mankind while innocent in the Garden, did fall prey to Satan's cunning and subtle slander. And that in the very moment they considered that God was a god that would lie to us and keep us down so as to lift himself up, their hearts and minds were experiencing distrust for the first time. And the Loving Image of our Loving and Holy Father was questioned as falsehood. And so we read in Romans 1 where men had traded the Truth for a lie and that when we knew God we did not esteem Him as God and likened Him to man, even though all that was good in us was His Spirit. We thought ourselves wise rather than thanking Him and in such vanity we became estranged from God. Now I know the very seed and root of the black thing that sits upon my conscience. I would beat myself to death if only I could take back the pain of betrayal that I had handed my Loving God who is Jealous for me. I do know what I am sorry for. I do know what I am guilty of.

Now for the second question, How does the blood of Jesus cleanse my guilty conscience? How does someone elses paying for my sin make my guilt go away?

The answer is a bit more complex. If you recall, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil which he first sowed in the Garden of Eden. He also came to destroy the enmity between man and God. For this is the work of the devil as can be seen in many scriptures such as the story of Job, and in Revelations where it is said he makes accusation continually before God. But Satan is a liar and consequently a hypocrit. On one hand he tempts and on the other he accuses and like a bookie he plays both ends against the middle unto his profit while he demeans both man and God in Whose Image we are made.

Now some may not like what I say here, but I believe the law was a trap for Satan. For we know the law was administered by angels. As the guardian Cherub the devil could have the keys to hell and the power of death. So I believe he usurped the law to accuse and to tempt and that he is a self serving legalist. He thinks men are to serve the law rather than the law serve men. But when the time was right, God sent His Word made flesh. And because Satan did not comprehend mercy, he did not see his own demise in crucifying this man according to the law. The scriptures that back this up are many. Satan entered into Judas, and the vineyard keepers saw the son and thought they could get his inheritance. Quite telling is that he nailed to the cross the ordinances that were against us and made a spectacle of Principalities and powers. But my favorite is in Revelations where it is said that Jesus was caught up to heaven and men overcame Satan by the blood of the lamb and by their testimony. What I mean to point out is that the cross was meant to defeat Satan and his works. And it was Satan being the guardian Cherub, who used the law to crucify the innocent, even the very son of God. I don't think he saw it coming when Jesus said, "forgive them Father for they know not what they do", and "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?" And after this was witnessed in heaven, war broke out in heaven and Satan was cast out. So it is that Satan was made a spectacle of and by his own hand he was shown to be a merciless self righteous overzealous prosecutor. Again my point is to say that the cross is what was Satan's demise.

Okay. Now when I first heard the Gospel (Christ crucified) I believed that I had seen a Love that transcended all that is comprehensible. And I wondered whether Jesus meant it when he said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do". It took me most of my life to finally believe it. For I saw that at the beginning of man's fall it was an innocent mankind that had been duped by a creature far more cunning. And I also found that as I believed this I began to forgive everyone for everything since to condemn anyone only meant that I myself was saying that Adam and Eve, as well as myself, meant to slander God on purpose, and therefore I was still believing the original lie that God was unholy. And that is how I was able to experience a cleansed conscience. That is how I believe we overcome Satan by the blood of Christ and by our testimony.

I say this because at the heart of all division, including on this forum, is Satan playing the ends against the middle. And it becomes apparrant in our theology when at the end of our reasoning we think we must blame either God or mankind for what happened, when in fact it was neither. It was simply Satan playing both ends against the middle. So I hope you see that all of you are right in whatever stage of belief you are in, and I am not patronizing any of you. The following post is supporting scripture.

 
Genesis 3:4-5. But I would point out that verse 1 one says the serpent was most cunning of all God's creation. I assume you all know Adam and
were innocent. I take this to mean mankinds wit was no match for Satan.

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will
be like God, knowing good and evil.” Here Satan subtly implies god is a liar in verse 4. And in verse 5 he implies that god is only lying to keep
us Eve
down and god knows we could be like him. What a subtle lie since we were already like him. Upon considering this lie we are already doubting
Gods intentions toward us which is to lose faith in His righteousness Who is our righteousness.

Romans 1 verse 17. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[a] just as it
is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
This means God will make known His righteousness which is by faith wherein before we had doubted and this doubt preceded our disobedience.

verse 18. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness; Now here as Martin Luther taught, Paul is refering to all men. And we know this because in Romans 2:1 he says therefore no one
has any excuse to judge for wherein you judge another you condemn yourself.

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Here we see that God is our goodness and this is what is meant by invisible things, our godliness which exists in us because He made us. Also
see John 1 the Word was the light of man and the life of man. All that was created was created through the Word, he came into the world but the
world knew him not.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened.
Here we see that when we knew him as in the past we did not esteem Him as God which reiterates above the godliness we take for granted since
obviously we were unthankful.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Here we see we thought wisdom belonged to us rather than attributing it to Him. Hence elsewhere in scripture it is said that God has confounded
the wise and chose the lowly things so that God alone would be glorified and not men. Also scripture says that Christ has become wisdom to us.

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
things. Here we see that men created their own image of god that was like corruptible man. That is like saying we still believed in the false
image presented in the Garden of Eden that was corrupt as in a self-serving god.

Now the destruction of the devil:
Hebrews 2:
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might
destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

1 John 3: 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Noe here we see that the devil has the power of death which I take to mean the keys to hell and death which Jesus took from satan after he had
been in hell for three days and three nights. Revelations 1:18 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen;
and have the keys of hell and of death.

Collossians 2:
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
The law being nailed to the cross and spoiling principalities and powers.

Galatians 3: 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Mark 12:
12 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat,
and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'
8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

Revelation 12:
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready
to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Luke 22:
2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Revelation 12:
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and
threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for
the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself;
for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Matthew 7:
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Titus 1:15
King James Version (KJV)
15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is
defiled.
 
Justification is necessary, but it is only the beginning of faith. Is not our sanctification the goal, for it the Will of GOD, or is justification enough?
 
Justification is necessary, but it is only the beginning of faith. Is not our sanctification the goal, for it the Will of GOD, or is justification enough?

both like eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. take both ingredients
 
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