Inherint contradictions teaching Faith Alone

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It never was faith alone, if it was by grace through faith.

Faith must have obedience to be made complete, and therefore activated to function.

In initial salvation, the action of obedience is for us to, repent.

Repent means turn to God, while turning away from Satan as our lord.

The way we obey the command of the Gospel is to confess Jesus as LORD.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

This is the believing and therefore obeying the Gospel.


For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Romans 10:13

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16

We have people no his forum who argue that confessing with our mouth the LORD Jesus is “works salvation”.

I’ll bet you can ask anyone in hell if they will confess Jesus as LORD to get out, they would be quick to obey.

Why are you intent on misrepresenting positions that you disagree with? First actually try and understand the position you disagree with, then make legitimate arguments against it, not straw men.

The position is: justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

 

[JLB]

In all of my teaching, learning and preaching, I have never heard it said that "Repentance is turning from Satan".

That doesn’t surprise me at all.

Again, I have posted these words from Jesus Christ to Paul, as he recounts his encounter with the LORD Himself, to king Aggrippa.

I have quoted these words of scripture several times to you in my posts and you have responded to me with these words…

In all of my teaching, learning and preaching, I have never heard it said that "Repentance is turning from
Satan

Just because you have “never heard” of these plain undeniable words of scripture is no excuse.

You have yet to even address the scriptures I quoted but have only denied their existence.

• I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

Here is Paul’s response, his understanding of what Jesus was referring to, word for word to king Aggrippa.

• that they should repent, turn to God

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20


This will be the last time I will try to reason with you about this subject.

If you continue to deny what the scriptures so plainly say, because you have never heard anyone teach you what the biblical definition of repent means then I will just no longer respond to you.

 

[JLB]

I have never heard it said that "Repentance is turning from Satan". I guess that is one of those theological items only told to you.

It’s written in scripture for everyone to see.

Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?

Does the Holy Spirit teach you ?

• He will teach you all things

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 14:26

 

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Repent, metanoeō:

Mounce: 34x: to undergo a change in frame of mind and feeling, to repent, Luk_17:3-4; to make a change of principle and practice, to reform, Mat_3:2.

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance: to change one's mind or purpose: — repent (26), repented (5), repents (3).

Strong's: to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.

Thayer's Greek Definitions:
1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins

 

[JLB]

The position is: justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Why would you actually say something like this that is nothing but a contradiction of scripture?

Here is why I disagree with the the teaching of faith alone -

If it’s “faith alone” then it’s faith all by itself with nothing else, such as grace…

The Bible plainly and clearly states the following verse about this principle of faith…

• Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

How could any reasonable person say something as unbiblical as “faith alone” when the scripture plainly says that faith alone is dead.

Then on top of promoting a blantantly unbiblical position as faith alone, you have the nerve to say I’m misrepresenting your so called “position”.

Again here it is, plain and clear for all to read and see…

• Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Ephesians 2:8

• by grace you have been saved through faith

Not faith alone.
Not grace alone.

Grace through faith.

 

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Why would you actually say something like this that nothing but a contradiction.

Here is why I disagree with the the teaching of faith alone -

If it’s “faith alone” then it’s faith all by itself with nothing else, such as grace…

The Bible plainly and clearly states the following verse about this principle of faith…

• Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

How could any reasonable person say something as unbiblical as “faith alone” when the scripture plainly says that faith alone is dead.

Then on top of promoting a blantantly unbiblical position as faith alone, you have the nerve to say I’m misrepresenting your so called “position”.

Again here it is, plain and clear for all to read and see…

• Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Ephesians 2:8

• by grace you have been saved through faith

Not faith alone.
Not grace alone.

Grace through faith.

All you're interested in is straw manning the position by completely ignoring the context of the saying as well as taking Scripture out of context. Suit yourself, but at this point, since you have been corrected numerous times, that is willful ignorance.

 

[JLB]

Thayer's Greek Definitions:
1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins

Here is the biblical definition of faith.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Here is the Strongs -



The Thayers -



The biblical definition should always take precedence over man’s definition.

Maybe there is some truth in man’s definition but it should be used to override the biblical definition.

 

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Here is the biblical definition of faith.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Here is the Strongs -

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The Thayers -

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The biblical definition should always take precedence over man’s definition.

Maybe there is some truth in man’s definition but it should be used to override the biblical definition.

And what does this have to do with the definition of "repent" that you quoted from me? I have no idea what your point is.

 

[Rodger]

It’s written in scripture for everyone to see.

Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?

Does the Holy Spirit teach you ?

• He will teach you all things

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 14:26

John 14:26........
" But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

This statement is one of if not the most misinterpreted Scriptures in the Bible. I can not tell you how many people I know use this one Scripture to validate not going to higher education or Seminary training.

I also do not know how many people I have seen get saved on Sunday and in a week are wanting to teach a Bible study class on the Revelation all because the Holy Spirit has taught them.

The misinterpretation happens because readers and teachers and preachers tear it away from its context.

My dear friend, As part of this discourse, Jesus is speaking of the teachings He delivered while on earth. It is not a guarantee or a promise of expertise in all earthly topics or Bible knowledge!

It does not mean that because you have accepted Christ and the holy Spirit is in you now know all the Bible doctrines and able to teach the world. It just does not work that way my friend.

Nor is the indication the Spirit will "teach you all things," in any sense, a promise that the Holy Spirit will deliver new revelations, or ongoing revelations, or personal revelations to YOU personally that no one else knows about.

The consistent theme of this passage is that the Spirit's role is to reinforce that which Christ has already taught. Godly guidance through the Holy Spirit bolsters the truths of His Word as seen in 1 Corth. 4:6-7.

 

[Rodger]

That doesn’t surprise me at all.

Again, I have posted these words from Jesus Christ to Paul, as he recounts his encounter with the LORD Himself, to king Aggrippa.

I have quoted these words of scripture several times to you in my posts and you have responded to me with these words…



Just because you have “never heard” of these plain undeniable words of scripture is no excuse.

You have yet to even address the scriptures I quoted but have only denied their existence.

• I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

Here is Paul’s response, his understanding of what Jesus was referring to, word for word to king Aggrippa.

• that they should repent, turn to God

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20


This will be the last time I will try to reason with you about this subject.

If you continue to deny what the scriptures so plainly say, because you have never heard anyone teach you what the biblical definition of repent means then I will just no longer respond to you.

I sure hope that it is the very last time!

I have not responded to YOUR OPINION because there is nothing Biblical to it. You have a "pet" opinion which IMHO is not supported by the Scriptures.

JLB......from your posts, it is obvious to me that you do not understand the doctrine of Freedom of Choice. If you did, we would not be having this conversation.

Allow me to illustrate.....When you sin, Who is responsible when we give in to temptation, You are Satan".

Now, according to everything YOU have posted, YOU must answer, Satan.

However, that is not correct is it??? The Bible says we alone are responsible for the CHOICES we made to ignore God and go our own way. We can’t blame anyone else–although we always try.
In a way............that is what you are trying to do here.

From the very beginning when Adam and Eve sinned against God in the Garden of Eden, Adam tried to blame Eve, Eve tried to blame the snake. Did Satan temp her, of course. He is the master tempter, the master deceiver. But did he force her? Did he threaten her? Did he make her? NO!
She made the choice, Adam made the choice and YOU make the choice to sin.

They alone were responsible for their sin–and so are we by the CHOICES we make.

 

[Rodger]

Why are you intent on misrepresenting positions that you disagree with? First actually try and understand the position you disagree with, then make legitimate arguments against it, not straw men.

The position is: justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Thanks for observing!

Yes.....Justification is by grace Alone through faith alone in what Christ did alone.!

If it is by our friend JLB, then we must remove a whole bunch of Scriptures from the Bible.

 

[JLB]

And what does this have to do with the definition of "repent" that you quoted from me? I have no idea what your point is.

The Thayers or Strongs may be a good place to start in defining biblical words, however when the Bible defines the word then that definition is foundational.

Any other “definition” is to be built upon that scriptural foundation and should be aligned with the biblical definition taking a front seat to any other definition that comes from outside of scripture.

Why would I have to explain something as elementary as this to you?

 

[JLB]

John 14:26........
" But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

Yes.

He will teach you all things.

Did you get that?

John repeats this in 1 John 2:27

Do you understand the promise of the New Covenant?

 

[Rodger]

The Thayers or Strongs may be a good place to start in defining biblical words, however when the Bible defines the word then that definition is foundational.

Any other “definition” is to be built upon that scriptural foundation and should be aligned with the biblical definition taking a front seat to any other definition that comes from outside of scripture.

Why would I have to explain something as elementary as this to you?

You said.......
"Why would I have to explain something as elementary as this to you?"

How in the world can a personal definition of "repentance" lead to that comment?

 

[Free]

The Thayers or Strongs may be a good place to start in defining biblical words, however when the Bible defines the word then that definition is foundational.

Any other “definition” is to be built upon that scriptural foundation and should be aligned with the biblical definition taking a front seat to any other definition that comes from outside of scripture.

Why would I have to explain something as elementary as this to you?

If you want to play your games, then you will do so elsewhere.

You quoted the definitions I gave for repent and responded by defining faith. What does your response have to do with what I stated in what you quoted?

 

[JLB]

I have not responded to YOUR OPINION because there is nothing Biblical to it. You have a "pet" opinion which IMHO is not supported by the Scriptures.

JLB......from your posts, it is obvious to me that you do not understand the doctrine of Freedom of Choice. If you did, we would not be having this conversation.

I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:17-18

• to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,
• that they should repent, turn to God

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20

The biblical meaning of repent in connection with salvation means turn to God.

It’s clear you don’t care what the scriptures so plainly say, but harboring your man made doctrine based on made made definitions.

 

[JLB]

If you want to play your games, then you will do so elsewhere.

You quoted the definitions I gave for repent and responded by defining faith. What does your response have to do with what I stated in what you quoted?

I responded to your post where you quoted the Thayers definition of repent.

 

[Rodger]

Yes.

He will teach you all things.

Did you get that?

John repeats this in 1 John 2:27

Do you understand the promise of the New Covenant?

Again......total misunderstanding of what the Bible says.

Can you perform brain surgery? It is among ALL things!
Can you tear down and reassembly a gasoline engine? It is among all things!
Can you explain why we "yawn". It is among ALL things!
Cab you explain why the Chorioactis mushroom grows only in Texas and Japan.?
Can you explain why Saturn storm system the size of two Earths in the curious shape of a hexagon.

Words have meanings and I am just holding you to your own.

I do not know the answers to those questions and a whole lot more....but if I wanted to know I would go to work with the brain God gave me and find out.

What you are saying reminds me of what an old professor once told me...........
"God never said to take your brain out and leave it on the door step when you go to church"!

 

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I responded to your post where you quoted the Thayers definition of repent.

Yes, I just said that. Please, instead of simply repeating what I said, answer my question.

 

[Rodger]

I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:17-18

• to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,
• that they should repent, turn to God

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:19-20

The biblical meaning of repent in connection with salvation means turn to God.

It’s clear you don’t care what the scriptures so plainly say, but harboring your man made doctrine based on made made definitions.

JLB.........It is clear to me that you would rather argue with everyone and learn from no one.

It has correctly been said that........"The best teacher is a great Lerner"!

This whole conversation has turned real negitive and I am withdrawing. May the Lord bless you my friend, "And teach you correctly"!