Kenite/Flood

[stovebolts]

Im not talking about the city Cain,,,,,im talking about the man Cain,,,,,,,I am talking about the person that came out of the womb of Eve..........

When you look up the word "Cain" in the strongs concordance,,,it means,,, the same as 7013 (with the play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:-Cain, Kenites."

The name of the first child,,,,do you understand what the word "Cain" means now?????????

The Kenites are simply the offspring of Cain,,,or better known as the "Sons of Cain"

The,
I know that your talking about the man Cain... That is where your getting things confused. Let me explain and hopefully you will see your error.
Let's take a look at Strongs 7014.
Cain, Strongs 7014
the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

As we can see, Cain (7014 Qayin) can mean the name of the first child or a place in Palestine referring to the Kenites. Do you agree with this?

Please also know this, that being able to understand how to use Strongs, does not make one a master (or even close to it) of the Hebrew language...

Lets look at some examples of how 7014 is used ok?

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain (Strongs 7014), and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

In this verse, Cain is refered to as a person. The word Cain ([Q]Kayin) because "gotten" (root, "kanah") "with the help of Yhwh."
For additional etymology, please Note 7013 (qayin) in contrast with 7014 (Qayin).

Now then, let us now look at another verse within the same approximate era of Moses that uses Strongs 7014 (Cain).

Joshua 15:57
Cain (strongs 7014), Gibeah, and Timnah; ten cities with their villages:

Here, we see that Cain is the name of a City. Thus, we can apply Strongs definition. also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s)

Clearly, this use of Kayin (7014) does not refer back to the name of the first child.

I believe that what you are doing, is making a connection between the city Cain (Joshua 15:57) and the first child Cain (Genesis 4:1) and calling those peoples Kinites, which your linking ancestrally back to Cain (Genesis 4:1).

Now then, Let's address this matter.


1 Chronicals 2:55 tells us exactly who the Kenites consisted of in the time of that writing. They consisted of the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites and these came from a place in Syria called Hammath which of course is near Damascus. I'm trusting you have a map because as you'll see, Syria is just above Palestine.

So, I'll make this as brief as I can without a lot of detail for fear of writing a book here, but lets track the Kenites back to their roots.

Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

Two points. First point, Look where Arad is on your map. Do you see the connection geographically?
Now then, according to Judges 1:16, we see that the Kenites are the Children of the Father in Law of Moses. Lets track that back ok?

Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel (Strongs 7467 aka Reuel) the Midianite, Moses' father in law.

So the question is, who is Hobab and Who is Reuel?

I know this is controversial, but I believe that Hobab is Jethro (Exodus 3:1) and Reuel is Jethro's father (Exodus 2:18) This really doesn't matter, because we know that they were from Median.

Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian:
The question now becomes, Where did the Midianites come from?

We first see the Midianites in Genesis 37 where they sell Joseph to Potipher (vs 36), so we know that they were around in the day of Jacob. But we can do better than that cant' we

After the death of Sarah, Abraham's wife, Genesis 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
Genesis 25:2 And she bore him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

Genesis 25:6 But unto the sons of the concubines, whom Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

Thus, the Midianites were concieved through Abraham and Keturah... and they didn't come from Cain, child of Eve (Strongs 7014), however, they did live in Cain (Strongs 7014) the city... for as we know, only 8 were saved by the flood... and we have their geneology as well.

All this goes to show that as a people, the Midianites and Kenites were the same. However, it does not address the mention of the Kenites in Genesis 15:19 Where God makes his covenant with Moses.

So, how are we to explain this?

If we go back to Noah, he had a son named Ham who had a son named Canaan. (Genesis 9:18). Canaan is cursed by Noah (vs. 24-27)

Now then, where is the land of Canaan and was not Abraham promised that land? More over, how did Canaan get that land?

Canaan upon his death-bed left to his children the following rules of life: (1) "Let there be mutual love between yourselves." (2) "Love robbery and unchastity." (3) "Hate your masters, and do not speak the truth" (Pes. 113b). Not only by words, but also by deeds, Canaan exemplified to his sonsthe life worthy of slaves. When Noah divided the earth among his three sons, Palestine fell to the lot of Shem. Canaan, however, took possession of it, notwithstanding the fact that his father and his children called his attention to the wrong he had committed. They therefore said to him: "Thou art cursed, and cursed wilt thou remain before all the sons of Noah, in accordance with the oath which we took before the Holy Judge [God] and our father Noah" (Book of Jubilees, x., end). Later, when the Jews, the descendants of Shem, drove out the Canaanites from Palestine, the land fell into the hands of its lawful owners.

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Thus, the geneology connection between the Kenites falls to Noah's grandson Canaan who like Cain, is blatently disobedient.

 

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The,
I know that your talking about the man Cain... That is where your getting things confused. Let me explain and hopefully you will see your error.

What if im not getting confused,,,,what if you are wrong because you are not properly using the strongs,,,,,or maybe you have a bad strongs............

The word kenite in the Strong's is Hebrew word number #H7017: Qeyniy - pronounced Kay-nee - and means: Patronymic (derived from either the father or paternal ancestor) from 7014, a kenite or member of the tribe of kajin: kenite

#H7014 is: Qayin - pronounced kahyin and the same as (#H7013 with a play upon the affinity to #H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, kenite.

The very word "kenite" is derived from there father Cain,,,the first born son to Eve......

Why do you keep leaving 7017 out of the equation ?????????????

I dont see why you keep talking about this city,,,,,when I look up "kenite" it says nothing about a literal city......

Lets look at some examples of how 7014 is used ok?

The word "kenite" is from 7017 not 7014........

I believe that what you are doing, is making a connection between the city Cain (Joshua 15:57) and the first child Cain (Genesis 4:1) and calling those peoples Kinites, which your linking ancestrally back to Cain (Genesis 4:1).

I am most certainly not,,,,,,,its very simple and you are making it complicated and confusing....

Once again look up the word "kenite" it will tell you Qeyniy - pronounced Kay-nee - and means: Patronymic (derived from either the father or paternal ancestor) from 7014, a kenite or member of the tribe of kajin: kenite

So now the reader must go to 7014 and there we will find the name of this father

#H7014 is: Qayin - pronounced kahyin and the same as (#H7013 with a play upon the affinity to #H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, kenite.

So know we see the father of the Kenites is Cain,,,,,very simple ...........

Judges 1:16, we see that the Kenites are the Children of the Father in Law of Moses

NO there not,,,im about to destroy this notion.........

 

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All this goes to show that as a people, the Midianites and Kenites were the same

Dang man,,,,,,They got you fooled good.......See when Cain had children (kenites) notice how they named there kids the same as the kids of Adam......

They did this to blend in ,,,so people (like you),, you would lose there identity,,,this is the same reason the kenites now call themselves Jews,,,but they lie.......Rev 2:9 and 3:9

Now as for this Midianite/kenites thing you said,,,, I will just post a little insert on it for time purposes......

----insert-----Judges 1:16 "And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the People."

We have to stop here and get something straight in our mind. First of all, Moses' father-in-law is not a Kenite, a descendent of Cain [Kenite] but he and his family lived in the land where the Kenites were, and he held the position of "Jethro" or leader there. We can find Moses' father-in-law's name written in Numbers 10:29; "And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, "We are journeying unto the place of which the Lord said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the Lord hath spoken good concerning Israel."

Moses' father in law's name was "Raquel", and not Jethro, which is a title. He was a Midianite priest, and being a Midianite priest he had to be of the lineage Midian who was from the lineage of Abraham by Abraham's second wife. This is of the same bloodline as Abraham, and not of Cain, [the Kenites]. Abraham took Keturah to be his second wife after Sarah had died, and Isaac and Ishmael had left Abraham's household.

Genesis 25:1 "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah."

Genesis 25:2 "And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah."

The "Midianites" believed in the one true God, the same as Abraham. So we see that the promises that were given to the family of Raquel, the father in law of Moses, were given by God as a covenant to Raquel and his family, that they would live and dwell with the Children of Israel, not only in the wilderness, but would have their inheritance in the promised land also. Though this family is not Kenite by lineage, they are Kenite by the fact that they lived in the land where the Kenites dwelt.

A Chinese person can move to the United States and become an American. It doesn't change his lineage, but his identity as to where he lives. When a Kenite [the offspring of Cain from the garden of Eden] moved to the land of Judah, by lineage he is still a Kenite in tradition and custom, and in his skin color, even though he then becomes a Jew by the identity of his residence. Requel had to be full blooded Midianite to be a Midianite priest, and it was for this reason that Requel's daughters had to wait until after all of the Kenites had their fill of water, before they could fill their water pots to water their sheep. ----end----


But maybe would should step back,,,,because I would like you to address issues in Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 before we can conquer Genesis 4............

 

[stovebolts]

What if im not getting confused,,,,what if you are wrong because you are not properly using the strongs,,,,,or maybe you have a bad strongs............

Planting seeds of doubt? Thus far, our Strongs agree verbatim...

The word kenite in the Strong's is Hebrew word number #H7017: Qeyniy - pronounced Kay-nee - and means: Patronymic (derived from either the father or paternal ancestor) from 7014, a kenite or member of the tribe of kajin: kenite

#H7014 is: Qayin - pronounced kahyin and the same as (#H7013 with a play upon the affinity to #H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, kenite.

The very word "kenite" is derived from there father Cain,,,the first born son to Eve......

Why do you keep leaving 7017 out of the equation ?????????????

No need to bring 7017 into the equation... The text is clear enough. Why muddle it with Strongs?
Regardless, why do you leave out the second portion of 7014, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, kenite.
Your showing your lack of understanding in the Hebrew language. Think of this in terms of our own English language. Would you like to box? As you can see, depending on your bias you could interpret this erroneously. You see, I'm talking about putting things in boxes.

I dont see why you keep talking about this city,,,,,when I look up "kenite" it says nothing about a literal city......

Gad, I think your in a "Strong" hold lol! Get yer nose out of the dictionary and back into the text. YOur loosing the story. Let me repost and see if this clears things up.

Joshua 15:57
Cain (strongs 7014), Gibeah, and Timnah; ten cities with their villages:

Do you see that Cain, Strongs 7014, the same verse used in Genesis 4:1 is a city, not a person.

Now then, cities can be named after people. I'm not denying that the city of Cain isn't named after the person Cain. Now then, if you take the time to digest what I've written in my previous post, you'll see that the Kenites lived in Cain..'

connect the rest of the dots and you'll see that Caanan, the son of Ham... and I don't see a need to repeat myself again.

I am most certainly not,,,,,,,its very simple and you are making it complicated and confusing....

Once again look up the word "kenite" it will tell you Qeyniy - pronounced Kay-nee - and means: Patronymic (derived from either the father or paternal ancestor) from 7014, a kenite or member of the tribe of kajin: kenite

So now the reader must go to 7014 and there we will find the name of this father

#H7014 is: Qayin - pronounced kahyin and the same as (#H7013 with a play upon the affinity to #H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, kenite.

So know we see the father of the Kenites is Cain,,,,,very simple ...........

Why is it that I show you a geneology list from scripture, and you reply with a bunch of strongs definitions? Do you actually think you can do geneology through a Strongs concordance?

 

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Planting seeds of doubt? Thus far, our Strongs agree verbatim...

Cool,,,,I talked to people who strongs are different thats why I ask,,,some people seem not to have 7017........

No need to bring 7017 into the equation... The text is clear enough. Why muddle it with Strongs?

Why muddle with the strongs???????? Because the writer is better at renedering definitons to hebrew words then both of us........

Gad, I think your in a "Strong" hold lol! Get yer nose out of the dictionary and back into the text. YOur loosing the story. Let me repost and see if this clears things up.

I use the strongs to shed light on the bible ,,,not the other way around........

Again I think issues in Genesis 2-3 need to be cleared up......... Because if you believe Cain is aDams son ,,,then we wont see eye to eye on much of anything regarding kenites......

 

[stovebolts]

The,

This is really very simple… We see Jesus giving James and John the title, “Sons of Thunder†in Mark 3:17, though we know that Thunder is not their Father, but rather Zebedee is their Father.

Cain was wicked in what he did, as was Canaan in what he did. Canaan was thought of as, “The Father of slaves†much in the same way that John and James were named, “The sons of Thunderâ€. Likewise, Cain is known as “The son of Satanâ€.

These are to be looked upon as spiritual matters, not physical and they are rooted in deed, not biological ancestry.

Strongs 7014 is the same as 7013, even in spelling... and they come from the root in 6969.
a primitive root; to strike a musical note, i.e. chant or wail (at a funeral):--lament, mourning woman.
And certainly, this is a picture of what occurred to Eve by way of the actions of Cain.

I have already shown that from Canaan, the son of Ham came the Kenites who merged with the Medianites to be one, thus, they were the same.

By way of example, if we look at the word Father in Scripture, we see that it does not always mean a direct biological offspring, as in the English language where I am the Father of my Son. For example, we know that Jacob’s father is named Isaac. Yet Jacob calls his father Abraham (Gen 32:9)… Now then, we know this not to be true for Isaac is the father of Jacob and thus, it is to be taken figuratively. This thought can be extended to Exodus 2 where Reuel is called Father, yet in chapter 3, Jethro is refered to as the priest of Median. Furthermore, Hobab is later called the son of Reuel and Hobab is the father-in-law of Moses.

But I digress… Biologically the Isrealites had their dna roots in Abraham, yet Jesus says that some of them have Satan as their Father. Again, this is not due to a biological seed that is passed from one generation to the next but rather, much like Cain, and much like Canaan, the attribute is earned through what one does, for what one does is simply a reflection of how one views the world around him….

 

[stovebolts]

So we see that the promises that were given to the family of Raquel, the father in law of Moses

Not to derail (I've been studying this for several weeks now) but....

Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Hobab was the father in law of Moses...
Exodus 2:21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.

Furthermore:
Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.

Hobab is the son of Reuel...

As such, your above statement is incorrect in that Reuel is the father in law to Moses...

Thus,
Exodus 2:18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?

Father it figurative and points to grandpa Reuel, not Jethro (Hobab).

If you disagree, that's fine. This is not a point worth arguing

 

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So we see that the promises that were given to the family of Raquel, the father in law of Moses

Not to derail (I've been studying this for several weeks now) but....

Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Hobab was the father in law of Moses...
Exodus 2:21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.

Furthermore:
Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.

Hobab is the son of Reuel...

As such, your above statement is incorrect in that Reuel is the father in law to Moses...

Thus,
Exodus 2:18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?

Father it figurative and points to grandpa Reuel, not Jethro (Hobab).

If you disagree, that's fine. This is not a point worth arguing

YOu might wanna slow down and read it again.....

 

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I have already shown that from Canaan, the son of Ham came the Kenites who merged with the Medianites to be one, thus, they were the same.

Come me on bro,,,,,lets be real,,,,,the reason you tell me to get my nose out of the strongs concordance,,,is because there we have a scholar,,,that is clearly more advanced then you.....

What your trying to tell me is the "kenites" come from Canaan.......

SO lets look up the word "Kenite"

#H7017: Qeyniy - pronounced Kay-nee - and means: Patronymic (derived from either the father or paternal ancestor) from 7014, a kenite or member of the tribe of kajin: kenite

We must go to number 7014 to see who the ancestor father is....So lets go....

Strong's # 7014 Qayin (kah'-yin); the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: KJV-- Cain, Kenite (-s).

Do you see Canaan mentioned anywhere??????? NO

DO you see Cain mentioned anywhere ????????? YES

Cain is the father of the kenites,,,,,this is very simple.....and there is a reason your theory sounds like babel.....

If what you say is true ,,,when I look up 7014,,,it would say --Canaan - kenite.....But it doesnt,,,,,,,,,,, it says Cain-- kenite.....

speaking of Cannan,,,,,,Canaan was the son of 2 adamic parents,,,, so how the heck is Canaan the father of the "kenites" when he is not even a kenite..........

 

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stevebolts

I have already shown that from Canaan, the son of Ham came the Kenites

Well lets see,,,,I can tell you one thing,,,your words hold much confusion.......

After the flood,,,,God gives us the families of Noahs 3 sons and Canaan,,,,,so lets read about Canaan.....

Genesis 10:15 "And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,"

----So Canaan just had his first child and and another child named Heth.........

Genesis 10:16 "And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,"

Genesis 10:17 "And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,"

ok pay attention closely,,,I dont want you to miss this,,,,next verse,,

Genesis 10:18 "And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad."

The families of who????????????? The Canaanites ......Does it say the familes of the kenites????? NO!!!!!
it says the family of the Canaanites........OK back to verse 15

Genesis 10:15 "And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,"

We are talking about Canaan.....and Canaan is the father of who ?????

Genesis 10:18 "the Canaanites

The Canaanites come from Canaan...........The kenites come from Cain........Deal with it .....

 

[stovebolts]

The,

If what you say is true ,,,when I look up 7014,,,it would say --Canaan - kenite.....But it doesnt,,,,,,,,,,, it says Cain-- kenite.....

God said in Genesis 6: 13, So God said to Noah, “I have decided that all living creatures must die, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. Now I am about to destroy them and the earth.

God sends a flood upon the earth, and the family of Noah is left behind, everyonelse is taken from the earth.

We know that in Genesis 9, Noah curses Canaan, son of Ham, and Canaan goes out and establishes “The land of Canaanâ€.

Here are the direct offspring from Canaan, son of Ham.
Genesis 10:15-18 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

So, we know that the Kenites are not mentioned in Genesis 10 as the direct offspring of Noah or his offspring Canaan, but they are mentioned in Genesis 15 with the promise to Abraham.

Genesis 15:18-21 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

We need to use some common sense here... We know from scripture that the Amorites, offspring of Canaan, lived in the hill country of Canaan (Palestine). We also know that the Kenites lived in the hill country of Palestine [as well as Arad] (Judges 1:16). Genesis 15:19 confirms that the Kenites were living in the land of Canaan when God made his covenant with Abram…. Where did these Kenites come from?... Is it possible that they spurred from the Amorites, the offspring of Canaan? Say, where is this city named Cain which is located in Palestine anyway?...(Joshua 15:57)

Lets use our english language as an example...
box: a container, sport.

And Scripture states that Cain is also a city... Joshua 15:57 describes Cain as a City. Joshua 15:48 denotes that it was in the hill Country of what was previously called Canaan... or otherwise known as Palenstine... (7014 also of a place in Palestine... Cain-- kenite.)

To say that the Kenites were a direct descendent of Cain is to say that somehow, somebody other than Noah’s family was left behind during the flood… which makes God a liar (Genesis 6: 13)

Now then, I do not doubt that the Kenites were named after Adam and Eve’s son Cain for we know that Canaan was a wicked man, much like Cain… and we do know that names were significant in that they were descriptors of a person, thus, it isn’t much of a surprise to have a later tribe from Canaan taking on the form, and thus, the name of Cain.

 

[stovebolts]

So we see that the promises that were given to the family of Raquel, the father in law of Moses

Not to derail (I've been studying this for several weeks now) but....

Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Hobab was the father in law of Moses...
Exodus 2:21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.

Furthermore:
Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.

Hobab is the son of Reuel...

As such, your above statement is incorrect in that Reuel is the father in law to Moses...

Thus,
Exodus 2:18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?

Father it figurative and points to grandpa Reuel, not Jethro (Hobab).

If you disagree, that's fine. This is not a point worth arguing

YOu might wanna slow down and read it again.....

I'll make it simple

Judges 4:11 Hobab the father in law of Moses,

This says that Hobab the father in law of Moses. This generally happens when a man marries another man's daughter (Exodus 2:21)... Pretty clear so far right?

Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel (Reuel) the Midianite.

This makes Hobab the son of Reuel.

So, we know that Hobab is the son of Reuel. We also know that Hobab is the father in law to Moses right. Sounds pretty straight forward so far.

If Hobab is the father in law to moses, and the son of Reuel as Judges 4:11 states, how does Reuel become the father in law of Moses as you've stated? (I actually know this argument well, I've been studying the subject for about three weeks and it's really easy to stalemate )

 

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What kind of wood did you use?????????

God said in Genesis 6: 13, So God said to Noah, “I have decided that all living creatures must die, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. Now I am about to destroy them and the earth.

God sends a flood upon the earth, and the family of Noah is left behind, everyonelse is taken from the earth.

WHOoooooooooooa hold you horses friend,,,,moving kinda fast there you think.......

This is how you study scripture........Lets back up a couple of verses ok.......


Gen. 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

The earth was very bad,,,ok,,,,and the earth was filled with violence......So lets look at this word "earth"


776 Õerets { eh’-rets}

from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; TWOT - 167; n f

AV - land 1543, earth 712, country 140, ground 98, world 4, way 3, common 1, field 1, nations 1, wilderness + 4057 1; 2504

GK - 824 { $r,a,
1) land, earth
1a) earth
1a1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
1a2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
1a3) earth (inhabitants)
1b) land
1b1) country, territory
1b2) district, region
1b3) tribal territory
1b4) piece of ground
1b5) land of Canaan, Israel
1b6) inhabitants of land
1b7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world
1b8) city (-state)
1c) ground, surface of the earth
1c1) ground
1c2) soil
1d) (in phrases)
1d1) people of the land
1d2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
1d3) level or plain country
1d4) land of the living
1d5) end(s) of the earth
1e) (almost wholly late in usage)
1e1) lands, countries
1e1a) often in contrast to Canaan

As you can see the word "earth" mean land most of the time,,,,as a matter of fact it means "Land" more then 1500 documented times with it only meaning the whole earth 700 times :verysad

So you dont mind if I say we are talking about flooding a particular land and not the whole earth,,,do you????

next verse:::

Gen. 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Again "earth" means "land" ,,,,dont forget ,,,also this book was written to Adamics my Adamics,,,,so it only makes sense that this whole flood might just be in the land of the adamics......Its a thought to ponder.....

last verse....

Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So God is going to destroy all flesh,,,,,,,,again,,,I think he is talking about all Adamic flesh..........

The reason for the flood was to destroy the geber that had taken the land,,,,the fallen angels had mated with all the adamic except Noahs family and made gebre (giants) ......

..I dont think the angels were mating with the other races,,,they were targeting the bloodline that Christ would come through....

 

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Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So God is going to destroy all flesh,,,,,,,,again,,,I think he is talking about all Adamic flesh..........

The operative is, I Think....

 

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Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So God is going to destroy all flesh,,,,,,,,again,,,I think he is talking about all Adamic flesh..........

The operative is, I Think....

I dont get it.....

Operative???????

I have shown clear evidence that the word "earth" used in Genesis 6 is land not the whole entire earth.....

 

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No thats ok ,,,allow me to make it very simple..........

Exodus 2:16 "Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they come and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock."

So we have seven daughters ,,,,,,,but who is there father????????

Exodus 2:17 "And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock."

So Moses helped the 7 daughters,,,keep the shepherds (kenites) away......

Exodus 2:18 "And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?"

So the daughters went back to there father after moses helped them......There fathers name is Reuel...........

Later Moses will marry one of these 7 daughters,,,,,,,the father of the daughters is Reuel,,,,so when Moses marrys one of the daughters of Reuel........Reuel will become Moses father in law.....


Add 200 weeks to those 3 weeks and you will have studyed this as much as me......

But seriously,,,Judges 4:11 does make it seem like contradiction,,,but I believe I have the answer.....

 

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No thats ok ,,,allow me to make it very simple..........

Exodus 2:16 "Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they come and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock."

So we have seven daughters ,,,,,,,but who is there father????????

Exodus 2:17 "And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock."

So Moses helped the 7 daughters,,,keep the shepherds (kenites) away......

Exodus 2:18 "And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?"

So the daughters went back to there father after moses helped them......There fathers name is Reuel...........

Later Moses will marry one of these 7 daughters,,,,,,,the father of the daughters is Reuel,,,,so when Moses marrys one of the daughters of Reuel........Reuel will become Moses father in law.....


Add 200 weeks to those 3 weeks and you will have studyed this as much as me......

But seriously,,,Judges 4:11 does make it seem like contradiction,,,but I believe I have the answer.....

Exodus 2:16 "Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they come and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock."

So we have seven daughters ,,,,,,,but who is there father????????

Why, the Priest of Midian Jethro (Exodus 3:1) :D

Hmm.... so your saying that Hobab and Reuel are the same person?.... (Judges 4:11 in comparison with Numbers 10:29)

Since you enjoy Strongs, lets take a look at a verse you posted to support the idea that Reuel is Jethro.

Exodus 2:18 "And when they came to Reuel their father (Strongs 1)

Strongs 1 a primitive word; father, in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application):--chief, (fore-)father(-less), X patrimony, principal. Compare names in "Abi-".

Per Strong's, father can either be literal or figurative. As far as we know, Reuel could be the chief who would make it his business over matters of the well...

I know I'm repeating myself, but we know that the father of Jacob is Isaac, yet Jacob himself calls Abraham his father... Gen 32:9 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham...

And that's about as much as I'm giving you... If you want to stalemate this debate, you'll have to work harder

 

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Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So God is going to destroy all flesh,,,,,,,,again,,,I think he is talking about all Adamic flesh..........

The operative is, I Think....

I dont get it.....

Operative???????

I have shown clear evidence that the word "earth" used in Genesis 6 is land not the whole entire earth.....

Operative: Adjective: significant; key: The operative word in that sentence is “sometimes.â€

Strong's # 7014 Qayin (kah'-yin); the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: KJV-- Cain, Kenite (-s).

Do you see Canaan mentioned anywhere??????? NO

DO you see Cain mentioned anywhere ????????? YES

Cain is the father of the kenites,,,,,this is very simple.....and there is a reason your theory sounds like babel.....

If what you say is true ,,,when I look up 7014,,,it would say --Canaan - kenite.....But it doesnt,,,,,,,,,,, it says Cain-- kenite.....

Let's take a look at what a comma means :D
Comma, Noun: the sign (,), a mark of punctuation used for indicating a division in a sentence, as in setting off a word, phrase, or clause, esp. when such a division is accompanied by a slight pause or is to be noted in order to give order to the sequential elements of the sentence. It is also used to separate items in a list

Let us now use what we know in the below example.

Strongs 7014
the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

Ok, so we have four comma's here.
I would say that we have two parts that we could break this down to.
First Part: Kajin, the name of the first child
Now then, we have Kajin (comma) and then we have the clarification of said word. The comma here is to denote " a mark of punctuation used for indicating a division in a sentence, as in setting off a word, phrase"

We then see another comma which brings us to our second part. (Items in a list...)
Part Two: , also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).
This comma denotes It is also used to separate items in a list
This becomes very clear by the use of the word "Also"
Also, Adverb: in addition; too; besides; as well:
Now then, lets use that in a sentance.
Cain: The name of the first child from Adam and Eve, also used to describe a city in Palestine where the Kenites were from.

Now we have the matter of the two consecutive hyphen.s

Hyphen, Noun: a short line (-) used to connect the parts of a compound word or the parts of a word divided for any purpose.
Here is what about.com has to say in regard to the proper use of a consecutive hyphen:

Use a dash to insert a second thought, update, or a correction.
* I would ask--or insist--that he bring his children to the party.


--Cain, Kenite(-s).
Thus, --Cain, Kenite(-s) is connected to , also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: which of course is deonet by the Colon.
Colon, noun: the sign ( used to mark a major division in a sentence, to indicate that what follows is an elaboration, summation, implication, etc.

So we see clearly that --Cain, Kenite(-s) is a summation of of Part two, a city in Palestine.


To this end, I have shown clearly from scripture your error, now I have to show you your grammatical misunderstoods too....

Do you really want to dive into your "I Think" in Genesis 6?...

 

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Dude you should have someone read your post after you type it,,,,,it sounds like a bunch of know-it all rambling......DOnt you know God is not the author of confusion.........

No--- I wanna dive into Genesis 3 ,,,where Cain was begotten and we find the orgin of the kenites.....Why do you keep ducking Genesis 3?????????

If we are going to discuss Genesis 6 doesnt it make since to discuss 3 before 6,,,just a thought.....

To say that the Kenites were a direct descendent of Cain is to say that somehow, somebody other than Noah’s family was left behind during the flood… which makes God a liar (Genesis 6: 13)

I showed you what the word "earth" means in Genesis,,,,so no ,,God is not a liar......

it isn’t much of a surprise to have a later tribe from Canaan taking on the form, and thus, the name of Cain.
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If what you say is true ,,,when I look up 7014,,,it would say --Canaan - kenite.....But it doesnt,,,,,,,,,,, it says Cain-- kenite.....

God said in Genesis 6: 13, So God said to Noah, “I have decided that all living creatures must die, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. Now I am about to destroy them and the earth.

God sends a flood upon the earth, and the family of Noah is left behind, everyonelse is taken from the earth.

We know that in Genesis 9, Noah curses Canaan, son of Ham, and Canaan goes out and establishes “The land of Canaanâ€.

Here are the direct offspring from Canaan, son of Ham.
Genesis 10:15-18 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

So, we know that the Kenites are not mentioned in Genesis 10 as the direct offspring of Noah or his offspring Canaan, but they are mentioned in Genesis 15 with the promise to Abraham.

Genesis 15:18-21 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

We need to use some common sense here... We know from scripture that the Amorites, offspring of Canaan, lived in the hill country of Canaan (Palestine). We also know that the Kenites lived in the hill country of Palestine [as well as Arad] (Judges 1:16). Genesis 15:19 confirms that the Kenites were living in the land of Canaan when God made his covenant with Abram…. Where did these Kenites come from?... Is it possible that they spurred from the Amorites, the offspring of Canaan? Say, where is this city named Cain which is located in Palestine anyway?...(Joshua 15:57)

Lets use our english language as an example...
box: a container, sport.

And Scripture states that Cain is also a city... Joshua 15:57 describes Cain as a City. Joshua 15:48 denotes that it was in the hill Country of what was previously called Canaan... or otherwise known as Palenstine... (7014 also of a place in Palestine... Cain-- kenite.)

To say that the Kenites were a direct descendent of Cain is to say that somehow, somebody other than Noah’s family was left behind during the flood… which makes God a liar (Genesis 6: 13)

Now then, I do not doubt that the Kenites were named after Adam and Eve’s son Cain for we know that Canaan was a wicked man, much like Cain… and we do know that names were significant in that they were descriptors of a person, thus, it isn’t much of a surprise to have a later tribe from Canaan taking on the form, and thus, the name of Cain.

7017 and 7014 cleard this up,,,there is no mention of Canaan,,,,,,,no-matter how much you try to stick Cannan in ,,,it doesnt fit........Its like you have trouble understanding Cains bloodline is listed in Genesis 4 ,,,,,then later in Genesis 9 we have Canaan's line.........

To Genesis 2 and 3?????/

 

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7017 and 7014 cleard this up,,,there is no mention of Canaan,,,,,,,no-matter how much you try to stick Cannan in ,,,it doesnt fit........Its like you have trouble understanding Cains bloodline is listed in Genesis 4 ,,,,,then later in Genesis 9 we have Canaan's line.........

To Genesis 2 and 3?????/

The,
We only need proper english to understand 7014...

7014 is a list broken into two parts.
1st part is talking about Cain, the person.
2nd part is talking about Cain, the city...

Stop jumping around and lets talk basic grammer in regard to 7014...
Lets try this again.. Part 2 of 7014.
also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

1. Cain points back to "a place in Palestine"
2. Kenite(-s) points back to "an Oriental tribe"...

It's just english...